Danny talking with media today (06/05)

[PhoSita]

I'd like to also point out that Danny saying that he'll "never regret" the Kyrie trade "whatever happens," implies at the very least that he thinks that Kyrie leaving is a distinct possibility.  You don't say that if you feel confident you're going to retain the player.

I'm not sure if he was asked point blank, "If Kyrie leaves would you regret the trade" or "If Kyrie leaves would that change how you feel about the trade" or something like that.  That would obviously be different than if he said the thing re: not regretting the trade without being prompted.

This is where watching the interview would be beneficial. He was asked about the risk of trades and how the Celtics felt about taking risks in regards to deals (i.e. Anthony Davis). He answered along the lines of "there's risk in every trade, but we're never afraid of risks. Even the Kyrie trade could be called a risk and no matter what happens with Kyrie, I'll never regret that. You just move on to the next deal."

Right, which is why I acknowledged that how you interpret the quote depends on how he brought it up.

Given that context I think it's sort of in the middle between him volunteering the statement and responding to a direct question.  I maintain that if you think Kyrie is likely to stay it's kind of weird to reference the trade as being a risk you don't regret taking.

[Pvictor11]

Boy, if we lose Kyrie and keep Rozier ... I may not be able to watch at all next season.

Because this season was such a joy to watch...

This!!!  I stopped watching games after that Clippers loss and a lot of games that we won, were not enjoyable for me. I doubt next season I'll feel worst. I have a gut feeling that these guys are Just waiting for Kyrie to leave so they can be free and play without drama surrounding the team.
It feels like some guys were on a leash and can't wait to break free. I'm hoping for that if Kyrie leaves

[PhoSita]

Like the rest of us Danny probably doesn’t know. I’m sure Kyries agent has kept him closeted and quiet like a good agent should.

All of the reports out there certainly suggest that somebody in Kyrie's camp is leaking to the media that he's interested in going to one of the NY teams.

By reliable sources? Or some one like Stephen A Smith?

There have been several outlets but none of the reports are from particularly reputable people, which to me suggests that folks in Kyrie's circle are saying things to media types but they're not doing anything more than speculating based on what Kyrie has said to them.


That doesn't count as reliable, in my opinion, but it's worth noting.

I certainly don't think anything has come from Kyrie directly.

[Rondo9]

Like the rest of us Danny probably doesn’t know. I’m sure Kyries agent has kept him closeted and quiet like a good agent should.

All of the reports out there certainly suggest that somebody in Kyrie's camp is leaking to the media that he's interested in going to one of the NY teams.

By reliable sources? Or some one like Stephen A Smith?

There have been several outlets but none of the reports are from particularly reputable people, which to me suggests that folks in Kyrie's circle are saying things to media types but they're not doing anything more than speculating based on what Kyrie has said to them.


That doesn't count as reliable, in my opinion, but it's worth noting.

I certainly don't think anything has come from Kyrie directly.

It's probably just Kyrie's people probing I wouldn't really take it as an indicator whether he's staying or leaving.

[SHAQATTACK]

I didn't watch the video but saw Jay King's tweets about what Danny said.

Sure sounds to me like Danny expects Kyrie to be gone. 

Paraphrasing: "I'm not sure anything we do roster wise could make the Celtics more attractive to him".

Also sounds like Danny is laying the groundwork for bringing Terry back. 

Paraphrasing: "In the right circumstances I think Boston is a place Terry could thrive and be happy".

That does sound like he is gone for sure no matter if Davis is here or not. Can you imagine this board if the Terry era begins this coming season?

Can you imagine the sorry state of Celtic Basketball if it boils down to Terry freaking rozier as a starting PG?

My god that is just a terrible though. terrible.

I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a worse starting PG in the LEAGUE.

I would wager a few Backups that are better PGS than Terry.

I simply cannot fathom why people want Rozier back...

Hell, even Larkin could've done a better job.

TP..i thought that most every game of the season .....i lamented not bringing him back ...that was a more serious mistake than anyone will admit.  Should have dumped Rozier for the best asset and brought Larkin back.  Larkin played the game exactly like Stevens wanted .  Rozier played only for himself ..a selfish egotistical player.

[Phantom255x]

Like the rest of us Danny probably doesn’t know. I’m sure Kyries agent has kept him closeted and quiet like a good agent should.

All of the reports out there certainly suggest that somebody in Kyrie's camp is leaking to the media that he's interested in going to one of the NY teams.

By reliable sources? Or some one like Stephen A Smith?

There have been several outlets but none of the reports are from particularly reputable people, which to me suggests that folks in Kyrie's circle are saying things to media types but they're not doing anything more than speculating based on what Kyrie has said to them.


That doesn't count as reliable, in my opinion, but it's worth noting.

I certainly don't think anything has come from Kyrie directly.

No, it's because the media and the outlets are just hoping Kyrie goes to either NY or LA. Same with KD and hoping he goes to NY. It's all speculation at this point, which is why you haven't heard the likes of Shams/Woj report anything concrete yet. Until I see them say something like "Kyrie loves NY/BKN" or something, I'm keeping an open mind.

[MichiganAdam]

Even if we assume that he could replicate his playoff production as a long term starter, he would still be a below average starting option.  Though he has the confidence and demeanor of a top 10 point guard, at least.


If the Celts trade for Anthony Davis anyway while retaining Jaylen, Hayward, and Horford, Terry could be acceptable as a fifth starter.  But I'm not sure he'll ever be happy on a team where he isn't empowered to be one of the top 3 scoring options.
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In that situation you go hard with full MLE at Rubio or Beverly. (assuming smart is not retained)

Beverly is an otheroworldly defender who can knock down shots and set up teammates.

Gordon is point forward.

Brown is 3andd with driving abilities.

Horford playmakes

Davis is #1 alpha dog scorer.
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This.  I like the idea alot of a JB PB back court with AD and AH anchoring the paint.  GH becomes your weakest link on D which ain't half bad...

Offense would be GH and AH as the facilitators, feeding JB and AD primarily, with all of the other 3 getting their share. 

I want to see a strong D team with unselfish passing and potent front court scoring to see if it could work.  Would likely need a ring chasing 3 point specialist on the vet min to really round out the roster for the 2-3 spot, or maybe a BU PG better than TR that can hit the 3 and distribute.

[BitterJim]

Disagree. He might be saying the Celtics are already attractive to Kyrie. He also doesn't want to throw Kyrie's teammates under the bus.

You're right that it's possible to interpret that quote in a positive direction.

But if that's what he meant, why not say, "I think Kyrie really likes the team we have and is going to be interested in coming back" or something like that?

The potential "positive" implication of the quote is that the roster is already so good that the effect that the roster could have on Kyrie's decision-making is already maxed out.   Or alternatively, that Ainge believes that Kyrie loves Boston so much that it won't matter who is on the roster.

That doesn't seem like a reasonable interpretation, given what we saw this year and what Kyrie has said in the past.

There is a third (neutral) interpretation of it: that Danny hasn't specifically discussed roster changes with Kyrie and is unsure what changes (if any) would make the team more attractive to Kyrie. Honestly, I look at it as kind of a nothing quote (most stuff from interviews is). It's vague enough that you can use it to validate your opinion, no matter what that is

You could be right that it's a standard non-answer.  I think it's kind of a weird thing to say if you're trying to deflect.

He could just say "We've had a lot of discussions with Kyrie and at this point we just don't know what he's going to do, but we're going to make our best pitch to him and I think we have a very good situation to offer him" or something like that.

You could say the same about the interpretation you presented, though: if Danny thinks Kyrie will be gone, he could have said something more clear, like "There's nothing we can do to make the roster more attractive" or "Kyrie will make/has made his decision and there's nothing I can do about it from a roster standpoint"

I tend to view answers in interviews like this as pretty useless, since reading too far into them usually implies that the player/coach/GM is being passive-aggressive and waiting for people to read more into it. Could just be me being naive, though

[SHAQATTACK]

I kinda felt like Danny was uneasy speaking about " the marriage" ,  when he said that originally,  i do think Irving was on board .  He was not positive sounding about it .  Kinda wanted to drop the subject it seemed.

Seems like alot,of,these guys want fame and attention more than titles .  Kyrie can get moremof that media attention in LA or NY .

I m thinking Kyrie will leave for one of the big markets , not cause he hates Boston,  he just loves the biggest cities and all that comes with it.   

I hope Kawhi remains in Toronto .  Tired of all the top 10 players running to LA or NY

[BitterJim]

The part that terrified me was Ainge acknowledging they could bring back Rozier. UGH.

I don't take away too much from his answers about Kyrie. Truth is, he probably doesn't know right now either and neither does Kyrie. Which is also why I'm not as convinced Kyrie to BKN is a given right now. Both Kyrie and KD I think have no clue what they are doing in FA yet and these reports are mostly just filler.

Ask yourself, has Woj, Shams, Stein or anyone truly respected said anything about their FA's yet? It's mostly coming from Windhorst, Bucher, Kyler, Broussard, Stephen A Smith, Nick Wright, etc. lol.

Even if Ainge would only bring him back over his dead body, it makes sense to act like he'll re-sign him. It increases the chance of a team looking to give up an asset in a sign and trade (essentially bribing us not to match), and/or could make teams offer him more money

Hopefully that's the case here, but Danny does seem to really like Rozier so who knows

[Bobshot]

I'm more concerned about who is playing up front than who is at the point--Irving or Rozier or somebody else.

I think they need much more game up front to win anything. And they don't have that right now. Toronto is way ahead of them.

[tstorey_97]

I'm more concerned about who is playing up front than who is at the point--Irving or Rozier or somebody else.

I think they need much more game up front to win anything. And they don't have that right now. Toronto is way ahead of them.

Amen

[tstorey_97]

First Danny looked healthy and that's important as he is running this FA show and it's big.

I agree with "somber" about Irving, but, it's not in Ainge's hands now and that is it. Hopefully, Irving takes the extra $$$ and stays and yes, I am so very sick of this drama with him...sick.

Rozier continues to get play on this board, but, I don't see "three years $35M" coming from Ainge for a point guard of Rozier's stature. I guess the "we can use that contract in a trade" argument is why he might be here as S&T stuff is tricky.

A lot of this time of year is in the agent and the player's hands. All of the offers are on the table and have been for awhile. The media has jacked the daylights out of the top draft picks' values when we all know it will be three years before any of it can be proven.

I think NO getting #1 Zion really changed this couple of weeks. I have watched Morant play and he looks legit, but, he isn't Magic Johnson. He's not going to immediately change a franchise.

My point is you can roll out all the draft picks you want to trade for an established NBA player. They're just picks and you don't know.

Ray Allen and the #35 (Big Baby) for the #5 (Green) Wally and Delonte.

Glenn Davis develops and the Sonics look bad. Jeff Green goes all world?

Glad Danny is feeling better. Pivotal few weeks coming up here.

[wiley]

I didn't watch the video but saw Jay King's tweets about what Danny said.

Sure sounds to me like Danny expects Kyrie to be gone. 

Paraphrasing: "I'm not sure anything we do roster wise could make the Celtics more attractive to him".

Also sounds like Danny is laying the groundwork for bringing Terry back. 

Paraphrasing: "In the right circumstances I think Boston is a place Terry could thrive and be happy".

That does sound like he is gone for sure no matter if Davis is here or not. Can you imagine this board if the Terry era begins this coming season?

a recent and annoying case of blog group think IMO! 

[ozgod]

It's interesting that Danny singled out Gordon and Jaylen as the two players who accepted their roles. We already know that Terry was one of the people unhappy and struggled all year with accepting his role. So who else is there really? Kyrie's role didn't really change, neither did Al's. Tatum, Smart and Mook's roles actually increased to an extent. Baynes was injured much of the year, Theis was never getting a lot of minutes anyway. Semi's probably the one players whose minutes dropped the most from last year but I can't see him complaining.

So does this mean that Terry's the cancer in the locker room? Or were JT and Mook unhappy despite playing bigger roles, they wanted even bigger ones? Or did Kyrie reject his role as leader?

“It didn’t really ever take where we had 100 percent buy-in from 100 percent of our players,” Ainge admitted. “I did not anticipate that.”

That lack of buy-in can be blamed on everyone, Ainge and Stevens included. They, like many people on the outside looking in, expected guys to eventually settle into their necessary roles.


“At some point you fight, compete and then however it works out you accept your role and you move on and you keep going,” Ainge said, singling out Gordon Hayward and Jaylen Brown for being two of the few who could. “I wish our team would have done a better job with that this year.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/06/boston-celtics-could-bring-back-terry-rozier-in-the-right-role-according-to-danny-ainge.html