Danny talking with media today (06/05)

[Ogaju]

I didn't watch the video but saw Jay King's tweets about what Danny said.

Sure sounds to me like Danny expects Kyrie to be gone. 

Paraphrasing: "I'm not sure anything we do roster wise could make the Celtics more attractive to him".

Also sounds like Danny is laying the groundwork for bringing Terry back. 

Paraphrasing: "In the right circumstances I think Boston is a place Terry could thrive and be happy".

That does sound like he is gone for sure no matter if Davis is here or not. Can you imagine this board if the Terry era begins this coming season?

Can you imagine the sorry state of Celtic Basketball if it boils down to Terry freaking rozier as a starting PG?

My god that is just a terrible though. terrible.

I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a worse starting PG in the LEAGUE.

I would wager a few Backups that are better PGS than Terry.

I simply cannot fathom why people want Rozier back...

Hell, even Larkin could've done a better job.

Larkins impact last season has been criminally underrated.

He was a fantastic spark off the bench.

not here ..I have been saying since last year that Larkin going down cost Cs the Cleveland series. not only did it cost the team his spark, it required Rozier to play more minutes which led to increased fatigue and tired legs.

[SparzWizard]

I detest Rozier. I'd rather the C's lose every game than watch him play again.

I'm not that extreme, but I do absolutely detest watching Rozier play.  If the plan is to bring him back then we're in for a rough season.  Time to make a trade for someone.. Conley, etc.  I don't care, just not Rozier.

I rather overpay for Mike Conley than have Terry Rozier as our starting PG. 

[Tr1boy]

I detest Rozier. I'd rather the C's lose every game than watch him play again.

I'm not that extreme, but I do absolutely detest watching Rozier play.  If the plan is to bring him back then we're in for a rough season.  Time to make a trade for someone.. Conley, etc.  I don't care, just not Rozier.

I rather overpay for Mike Conley than have Terry Rozier as our starting PG. 

Yes ... but would you facilitate such trade?

[nickagneta]

I didn't watch the video but saw Jay King's tweets about what Danny said.

Sure sounds to me like Danny expects Kyrie to be gone. 

Paraphrasing: "I'm not sure anything we do roster wise could make the Celtics more attractive to him".

Also sounds like Danny is laying the groundwork for bringing Terry back. 

Paraphrasing: "In the right circumstances I think Boston is a place Terry could thrive and be happy".

That does sound like he is gone for sure no matter if Davis is here or not. Can you imagine this board if the Terry era begins this coming season?

Can you imagine the sorry state of Celtic Basketball if it boils down to Terry freaking rozier as a starting PG?

My god that is just a terrible though. terrible.

I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a worse starting PG in the LEAGUE.

I would wager a few Backups that are better PGS than Terry.

I simply cannot fathom why people want Rozier back...

Hell, even Larkin could've done a better job.

Larkins impact last season has been criminally underrated.

He was a fantastic spark off the bench.

not here ..I have been saying since last year that Larkin going down cost Cs the Cleveland series. not only did it cost the team his spark, it required Rozier to play more minutes which led to increased fatigue and tired legs.

Larkin was a great 3rd PG. He is not much more than that. He isn't a difference maker.

And, as much as some are critical of him not being brought back, he wanted playing time and no one in the NBA would promise him that so he went back to Europe. He knew he wouldn't be getting PT here with Kyrie and Rozier, and no one else showed interest, so he went back overseas to Turkey to get more time to actually play. Good for him.

He wasn't coming back.

[Casperian]

Spin, spin, spin.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1136307842149945345


Danny taking zero responsibility, why am I not surprised?

[jambr380]

Spin, spin, spin.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1136307842149945345


Danny taking zero responsibility, why am I not surprised?

Responsibility for what? It was a great trade at the time and proved to be a great trade in terms of talent. It's not Danny's fault his new max FA broke his leg in half 5 minutes into his Celtics career. It's also not Danny's fault that the Boston media and fans are spoiled brats who don't appreciate a good thing when it's handed to them.

[gouki88]

Spin, spin, spin.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1136307842149945345


Danny taking zero responsibility, why am I not surprised?

I don't see how this is avoiding responsibility. I'm happy with trading the shell of IT, Collin Sexton, Jae Crowder and Zizic for 2 years of Kyrie.

The things he should be criticised for are things like not taking action during the season while all our rivals made huge pickups (Toronto with Gasol, Milwaukee with Mirotic, Philly with Harris), and maybe for not going after big names before the season. Specifically if he said no to trading for Kawhi when they asked for Brown. I'm not sure that that's exactly what happened, but it would be deserving of criticism.

[Fafnir]

As disappointing as it was if he leaves, giving up IT (who never played rotation caliber ball since), Crowder (jays/hayward taking his minutes), and Sexton for two years of Kyrie is fine.

The real cost is the opportunity cost. The Celtics could have made the move for Davis/Kawhi/etc if they hadn't already committed to Kyrie. But hey, it happens.

Sucks that Hayward broke his leg, sucks that Kyrie's knee got infected. You need good fortune to build a winner as much as good choices. Just life in the NBA sadly.

[Who]

Spin, spin, spin.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1136307842149945345


Danny taking zero responsibility, why am I not surprised?

I think that is the right mindset for a GM to have. Ainge should view and review the trade based on the information he had available to him at the time and decide whether the deal is worth doing / risk worth taking.

He felt it was at the time.

And in hindsight, based on the information he had at the time, still feels it was the right choice.

And has a hard time imagining that ever changing in the future -- that based on the information he had at the time, he should not have done that deal.

That is the right way to analyze the deal IMO.

I am happy with Ainge's analysis of the Kyrie deal.

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It is the process of how Ainge made the decision. That is what he analyzes. In hindsight, he reviews that information that he had at the time of the deal. How he weighed the information and how he came to a decision.

That is right way for a GM to analyze the deal. To review the processes behind the decision.

Not by the end result. Kyrie left, it was all a waste. He is not a fortune teller. He cannot predict the future. He has to analyze his decisions based on the information he had available to him at the time -- understanding, accepting and adjusting for the risk that Kyrie may walk when his contract is up. Did he do that properly? Or not?

Based on his information, did he have a good understanding of the risk Kyrie presented to leave the team when his contract was up? Did he fail to gather the information possible at the time? Or did he have all information? Did he analyze the information properly? Did he adjust his plans according?

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When Ainge says he will not regret trading for Kyrie even if he leaves .... he is saying that because he understood the risk at the time of the trade. That this might happen. That he accepted this risk because of Kyrie's talent and because of the opportunities he had to build a top team here with Kyrie as a key piece of it.

That he weighed the risk of Kyrie leaving vs the opportunity of Kyrie staying and decided the risk was worthwhile based on the information he had at the time of the trade.

And that in hindsight, he still agrees with the processes & verdict that led to that decision ... and because of that, still believes it was the right decision based on the information he had at the time.

[PhoSita]

As disappointing as it was if he leaves, giving up IT (who never played rotation caliber ball since), Crowder (jays/hayward taking his minutes), and Sexton for two years of Kyrie is fine.

The real cost is the opportunity cost. The Celtics could have made the move for Davis/Kawhi/etc if they hadn't already committed to Kyrie. But hey, it happens.

Sucks that Hayward broke his leg, sucks that Kyrie's knee got infected. You need good fortune to build a winner as much as good choices. Just life in the NBA sadly.

Yup, and we shouldn't gloss over the fact that trading for Kawhi or Davis instead was no sure thing. Kawhi was a major question mark and AD wasn't even on the table until the trade deadline.

You can add Paul George in there ... Sounds like they hoped to trade for him after signing Hayward but they didn't have the chance.


Fact is the Celts had some really bad luck the last two years. Like you say, that's life. Takes luck to build a contender let alone win a title.

[IDreamCeltics]

As disappointing as it was if he leaves, giving up IT (who never played rotation caliber ball since), Crowder (jays/hayward taking his minutes), and Sexton for two years of Kyrie is fine.

The real cost is the opportunity cost. The Celtics could have made the move for Davis/Kawhi/etc if they hadn't already committed to Kyrie. But hey, it happens.

Sucks that Hayward broke his leg, sucks that Kyrie's knee got infected. You need good fortune to build a winner as much as good choices. Just life in the NBA sadly.

Well.. The Kyrie's knee thing was pretty foreseeable.  The knee surgery he eventually had was the leverage he used to force a trade from Cleveland.  He told them if they didn't trade him he would shut it down to go under the knife on that knee.   

[nickagneta]

Spin, spin, spin.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1136307842149945345


Danny taking zero responsibility, why am I not surprised?

Way to take that quote completely out of context. Watch the whole interview. Danny was talking at the time about taking risks in trades and that he is never afraid of the risk. In giving an example he said no matter what happens with Kyrie[whether he stays or not], he doesn't regret making the trade.

[Fafnir]

As disappointing as it was if he leaves, giving up IT (who never played rotation caliber ball since), Crowder (jays/hayward taking his minutes), and Sexton for two years of Kyrie is fine.

The real cost is the opportunity cost. The Celtics could have made the move for Davis/Kawhi/etc if they hadn't already committed to Kyrie. But hey, it happens.

Sucks that Hayward broke his leg, sucks that Kyrie's knee got infected. You need good fortune to build a winner as much as good choices. Just life in the NBA sadly.

Well.. The Kyrie's knee thing was pretty foreseeable.  The knee surgery he eventually had was the leverage he used to force a trade from Cleveland.  He told them if they didn't trade him he would shut it down to go under the knife on that knee.

By that standard I doubt you can find a NBA player without a foreseeable injury risk that would scare them into inaction.

[bogg]

Flipping a #8 pick and filler for an all-NBA guy is a fine gamble. They put enough talent around him to contend and he announced his intention to sign a long-term deal at the start of this season, so it's not like he was insisting he didn't want to be in Boston. Sometimes things just don't work out, but you always flip a mid/late lottery pick for an in-his-prime all-NBA player who's saying he'll stick around.

[SparzWizard]

Spin, spin, spin.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1136307842149945345


Danny taking zero responsibility, why am I not surprised?

I don't see how this is avoiding responsibility. I'm happy with trading the shell of IT, Collin Sexton, Jae Crowder and Zizic for 2 years of Kyrie.

The things he should be criticised for are things like not taking action during the season while all our rivals made huge pickups (Toronto with Gasol, Milwaukee with Mirotic, Philly with Harris), and maybe for not going after big names before the season. Specifically if he said no to trading for Kawhi when they asked for Brown. I'm not sure that that's exactly what happened, but it would be deserving of criticism.

I would be absolutely furious if Ainge said no on trading Brown for ONE YEAR of Kawhi Leonard.

He could have won us Banner 18 this year. And if he bounces, I'll be happy for his services here. But nah, we got three (four if you count Ojeleye) small-forwards clogging up the position with rotational minutes whom all did not seem to perform at an exceptional level throughout the season.

Get Leonard, pick up guys midseason and contend. Oh, so with Kyrie on board he did not pick up guys midseason to contend so he can wait for Davis? Well, that Davis ship is not coming to us now. Wasted another season.