Shrewsberry: Stevens Really Beat Himself up Over Last Season

[Tr1boy]

Anyone find it strange that Shrewsberry went from a nba assistant to college assistant

I dont get it

[footey]

Anyone find it strange that Shrewsberry went from a nba assistant to college assistant

I dont get it

Me neither. Said he missed the camaraderie of college ball. But not a great basketball move. Am surprised he didn’t get the U Mass job given his resume. 

[Kuberski33]

Anyone find it strange that Shrewsberry went from a nba assistant to college assistant

I dont get it

Maybe Brad or Danny advised him that his services were not going to be retained?

[gift]

Anyone find it strange that Shrewsberry went from a nba assistant to college assistant

I dont get it

Reading into it that he wants a head coaching job (not assistant) and based on experience interviewing lately feels getting back into the college game gets him closer to that. He sounds surprised that assistant coaching on the nba level didn't already boost him to a head coaching gig in college.

[GreenEnvy]

Would be great if he goes all Walter White on us and comes back next season “Breaking Bad.”

Goes from mild-mannered and always positive to a maniac who leads the league in ejections, gets into players faces on sidelines, and routinely curses out the media. All whilst killing it with those ATO’s!

[gouki88]

Would be great if he goes all Walter White on us and comes back next season “Breaking Bad.”

Goes from mild-mannered and always positive to a maniac who leads the league in ejections, gets into players faces on sidelines, and routinely curses out the media. All whilst killing it with those ATO’s!

Now that would be awesome!

[gift]

Would be great if he goes all Walter White on us and comes back next season “Breaking Bad.”

Goes from mild-mannered and always positive to a maniac who leads the league in ejections, gets into players faces on sidelines, and routinely curses out the media. All whilst killing it with those ATO’s!

When he throws a pizza we'll know he flipped the switch.

[jambr380]

I don't know why people care so much that Brad 'force fed' Hayward minutes to start the season. It doesn't really matter what the other players thought, he was a recent all-star on a max contract; he needed to be playing major minutes to help shed the rust.

CBS not taking more of an authoritarian attitude when players egos got too big may be one thing, but playing Hayward lots of minutes was absolutely the right thing to do. It was the only way we were ever going to have a chance of succeeding.

[Never Nervous Pervis]

Hope he finally stops tinkering with substitutions and rotations for half the season to "build data". Its a big chemistry killer that he does every year repeatedly.

this coming year will be his 6th season, chemistry has been an issue for 1 season.  ALL of the other seasons the team overachieved.

hes proven he can do a lot with his 'data' when he gets it, so you should be very optimistic about him being able to fix the problem from this season instead of harping on him to change everything

1st half's of seasons they have struggled due to his tinkering each year. Just because they pulled it out a few second halfs doesn't mean it's not a problem. You are starting in the hole.

Yeah, that 30-10 start in 2017-2018 (including 16 in a row early) was a huge problem, especially without Hayward.

Are you kidding you remember how they barely won most of those games and BS called the streak fools gold. They struggled.

You are what your record says you are. - Bill Parcells

Unless you are not and you get beat by a lower seed.

LOL at saying 30-10 is struggling. That's priceless.

Winning games with a ton of luck doesn't count as playing well. The record isnt the sign of struggles I am talking about. Its the play not the standings. Do you even remember how crazy some of those games went? Teams can play bad or poorly and still win especially if you had some luck. How many games has this team consistently played poorly for whole quarters especially 1st and 3rds but still won, are we going to say they had a great game? The answer is no. The rotations and subsitions haven't been good is my issue. How many times has this team been dominated on the boards and BS has three guards line ups, you forget that blunder he repeats over and over? This is basketball coaching choices that he is messing up often. Not utilizing length, cutters, or simply controlling the playing time of guys that aren't following the game prlan.

Let's get back on track here. You said:

the 1st half's of seasons they have struggled due to his tinkering each year. Just because they pulled it out a few second halfs doesn't mean it's not a problem. You are starting in the hole.

And I simply pointed out, 30-10 is not starting in a hole. Everything else at this point is moot.

[csfansince60s]

Hope he finally stops tinkering with substitutions and rotations for half the season to "build data". Its a big chemistry killer that he does every year repeatedly.

this coming year will be his 6th season, chemistry has been an issue for 1 season.  ALL of the other seasons the team overachieved.

hes proven he can do a lot with his 'data' when he gets it, so you should be very optimistic about him being able to fix the problem from this season instead of harping on him to change everything

have you ever hear of data overload? Too much data to make sense.

In golf it's called paralysis by analysis.....good point!

[mmmmm]

Anyone find it strange that Shrewsberry went from a nba assistant to college assistant

I dont get it

Reading into it that he wants a head coaching job (not assistant) and based on experience interviewing lately feels getting back into the college game gets him closer to that. He sounds surprised that assistant coaching on the nba level didn't already boost him to a head coaching gig in college.

I think that head coaching in college includes this gigantic 'recruiting skills' aspect that just isn't there at the NBA level.   Ability to sell yourself and your program is critical.

[footey]

I don't know why people care so much that Brad 'force fed' Hayward minutes to start the season. It doesn't really matter what the other players thought, he was a recent all-star on a max contract; he needed to be playing major minutes to help shed the rust.

CBS not taking more of an authoritarian attitude when players egos got too big may be one thing, but playing Hayward lots of minutes was absolutely the right thing to do. It was the only way we were ever going to have a chance of succeeding.

I agree. 

[footey]

Coaching stars in the NBA is a fine balance between partnership building and being able to draw the line, not have your stars walk over you.  Kyrie is a very strong personality, and Brad has to do a better job of holding him more accountable (if he comes back).  Kyrie will probably respect him more in the process.

[Never Nervous Pervis]

I don't know why people care so much that Brad 'force fed' Hayward minutes to start the season. It doesn't really matter what the other players thought, he was a recent all-star on a max contract; he needed to be playing major minutes to help shed the rust.

CBS not taking more of an authoritarian attitude when players egos got too big may be one thing, but playing Hayward lots of minutes was absolutely the right thing to do. It was the only way we were ever going to have a chance of succeeding.

Well said. I also believe the "Hayward was force fed major minutes early" is a slightly distorted narrative. He averaged 24.5, 27.5 and 26.5 minutes the first three months of the season. Those are 6th man numbers, not starter's minutes.

And those minutes didn't really come at the expense of Tatum and Brown. Tatum's minutes were steady throughout the year (he consistently averaged 30+ minutes a game) and when Brown struggled early and was sent to the bench (along with Hayward), Smart became the starter at the two.

Jaylen's minutes over the course of the year were down 4+ minutes a game from last year, but that was a reflection of his poor play to begin the year.

When Jaylen stepped it up post-Christmas, I do think Brad should have returned him to the starting lineup; not sure that was Hayward's fault, though. He came off the bench the rest of the year.

[PhoSita]

re: the Hayward force-feeding thing -- I agree that it is strange that so many people have focused their ire on that decision.

Reason being that so many people around here talk about "championship or bust" being the mentality they prefer to see in the Celtics.

Well, this season the Celts were never going to win a championship unless Gordon Hayward found his way back to All-Star form. 

With that in mind, if the goal was to try to win a championship, however unlikely, it makes sense to sacrifice the regular season record and even the team chemistry in the effort to get Hayward up to speed and integrated to the team.


I think the issues with chemistry and Hayward's slow return to form were worse than expected but were also predictable.  Nonetheless, it made good sense to force that issue since the team was never going to achieve their goals without Hayward in top form.