Shrewsberry: Stevens Really Beat Himself up Over Last Season

[RazzelnoDazzel]

thinking next year Celtics will be way closer to lottery team than competing for anything significant.  If Hayward doesn't seriously pan out ,  i see see Boston sliding back .

Sheesh I don’t see that huge of a drop off. I think we will be in a much better place than “almost lottery” even if Hayward doesn’t pan out although I’m comparing his PER to other players and he really wasn’t that bad lol.

[Kuberski33]

thinking next year Celtics will be way closer to lottery team than competing for anything significant.  If Hayward doesn't seriously pan out ,  i see see Boston sliding back .

They could be in a situation where they can't compete for anything significant - absolutely. But sliding back would mean a 7-8 seed and that's if nothing works out and they wound up with a team built around Brown & Tatum.  Of course if you're a 7-8 seed you'd be better off being in the lottery.

[Never Nervous Pervis]

If you watch the post games and pre games that year BS said it a few times. And don't be fool by the total win difference during the stretch they played a lot of bad teams that helps it. They had a ridiculous stat that was being covered by a few sports media sources of games being very close with the last 3 mins. Don't remember the exact number but they also said the win % in that scenario was like double the league average. There were a few teams that really gave the C's the win in that stretch as well with unforced turn overs in under 2 mins. It was very much a lot of luck.

The Celtics could go 82-0 and Stevens would still find things to be critical of. That's his humble Indiana roots, not proof that the team struggled despite going 30-10 without Hayward. Why are you still clinging to this invalidated claim 4 pages later?

Invalidated? Please, the evidence is there that there are issues. A few posters have stated them over the last few years. I am stating it now. The thread is about a report BS is beating himself up about the season. I am pointing out something he is doing wrong and the BS fan club want's to come at me with one half of a season. I broke down the errors in their rebutle. The facts are he has struggled, some teams over achieved but he has made mistakes. Mistakes I point out that need correction. I'm critical because that's what a non-homer is.

The definitive truth is the Celtics did not start the 2017-2018 season in a hole when they went 30-10, and nobody in their right mind would claim otherwise. This has been pointed out repeatedly. Each subsequent attempt to rationalize it — the team came back to win several times, they only won some games by a few points, they got lucky at the end of a few others — teeters farther into the absurd. Now you're calling me a homer and a BS fan club member for holding a mirror to reality, rather than simply saying you spoke in error.

[CelticsElite]

Tinkering with lineups is great when it gets the most out of lesser players. When it fails, though, you can’t hold players accountable.

IMO Jaylen should have started all year, and Rozier should have been shipped out. Brown earned it last year, he represents the future. Rozier, Smart and Irving aren’t a trio that works all at once. Morris should have remained a bench stabilizer.

Overthinking to a tee with the roster. Play your best guys, choose a path, and then scheme around that.

Irving/ Smart/ Brown/ Tatum/ Horford
6th man: Hayward
Rotation: Baynes, Morris
Deep Bench: Theis, Wanamaker, Williams, Yabu

Bookends Irving and Horford around your 3 most important young players. Hayward has a clear role and green light to shoot. Everyone else is a role player.

so rozier gets shipped out and kyrie plays 40 minutes

That works in video games but not real life

[byennie]

Shipping out Rozier turns this into a video game with Kyrie playing 40mpg?

That’s a bit of a bizarre assumption.

[Csfan1984]

If you watch the post games and pre games that year BS said it a few times. And don't be fool by the total win difference during the stretch they played a lot of bad teams that helps it. They had a ridiculous stat that was being covered by a few sports media sources of games being very close with the last 3 mins. Don't remember the exact number but they also said the win % in that scenario was like double the league average. There were a few teams that really gave the C's the win in that stretch as well with unforced turn overs in under 2 mins. It was very much a lot of luck.

The Celtics could go 82-0 and Stevens would still find things to be critical of. That's his humble Indiana roots, not proof that the team struggled despite going 30-10 without Hayward. Why are you still clinging to this invalidated claim 4 pages later?

Invalidated? Please, the evidence is there that there are issues. A few posters have stated them over the last few years. I am stating it now. The thread is about a report BS is beating himself up about the season. I am pointing out something he is doing wrong and the BS fan club want's to come at me with one half of a season. I broke down the errors in their rebutle. The facts are he has struggled, some teams over achieved but he has made mistakes. Mistakes I point out that need correction. I'm critical because that's what a non-homer is.

The definitive truth is the Celtics did not start the 2017-2018 season in a hole when they went 30-10, and nobody in their right mind would claim otherwise. This has been pointed out repeatedly. Each subsequent attempt to rationalize it — the team came back to win several times, they only won some games by a few points, they got lucky at the end of a few others — teeters farther into the absurd. Now you're calling me a homer and a BS fan club member for holding a mirror to reality, rather than simply saying you spoke in error.

If they weren't having problems, why didn't they finish well? They got lucky in the first half.

[Never Nervous Pervis]

If you watch the post games and pre games that year BS said it a few times. And don't be fool by the total win difference during the stretch they played a lot of bad teams that helps it. They had a ridiculous stat that was being covered by a few sports media sources of games being very close with the last 3 mins. Don't remember the exact number but they also said the win % in that scenario was like double the league average. There were a few teams that really gave the C's the win in that stretch as well with unforced turn overs in under 2 mins. It was very much a lot of luck.

The Celtics could go 82-0 and Stevens would still find things to be critical of. That's his humble Indiana roots, not proof that the team struggled despite going 30-10 without Hayward. Why are you still clinging to this invalidated claim 4 pages later?

Invalidated? Please, the evidence is there that there are issues. A few posters have stated them over the last few years. I am stating it now. The thread is about a report BS is beating himself up about the season. I am pointing out something he is doing wrong and the BS fan club want's to come at me with one half of a season. I broke down the errors in their rebutle. The facts are he has struggled, some teams over achieved but he has made mistakes. Mistakes I point out that need correction. I'm critical because that's what a non-homer is.

The definitive truth is the Celtics did not start the 2017-2018 season in a hole when they went 30-10, and nobody in their right mind would claim otherwise. This has been pointed out repeatedly. Each subsequent attempt to rationalize it — the team came back to win several times, they only won some games by a few points, they got lucky at the end of a few others — teeters farther into the absurd. Now you're calling me a homer and a BS fan club member for holding a mirror to reality, rather than simply saying you spoke in error.

If they weren't having problems, why didn't they finish well? They got lucky in the first half.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because Kyrie Irving suffered a season-ending injury?

Also, here's a little secret: each year every team but one, by definition, doesn't finish well.

[Csfan1984]

If you watch the post games and pre games that year BS said it a few times. And don't be fool by the total win difference during the stretch they played a lot of bad teams that helps it. They had a ridiculous stat that was being covered by a few sports media sources of games being very close with the last 3 mins. Don't remember the exact number but they also said the win % in that scenario was like double the league average. There were a few teams that really gave the C's the win in that stretch as well with unforced turn overs in under 2 mins. It was very much a lot of luck.

The Celtics could go 82-0 and Stevens would still find things to be critical of. That's his humble Indiana roots, not proof that the team struggled despite going 30-10 without Hayward. Why are you still clinging to this invalidated claim 4 pages later?

Invalidated? Please, the evidence is there that there are issues. A few posters have stated them over the last few years. I am stating it now. The thread is about a report BS is beating himself up about the season. I am pointing out something he is doing wrong and the BS fan club want's to come at me with one half of a season. I broke down the errors in their rebutle. The facts are he has struggled, some teams over achieved but he has made mistakes. Mistakes I point out that need correction. I'm critical because that's what a non-homer is.

The definitive truth is the Celtics did not start the 2017-2018 season in a hole when they went 30-10, and nobody in their right mind would claim otherwise. This has been pointed out repeatedly. Each subsequent attempt to rationalize it — the team came back to win several times, they only won some games by a few points, they got lucky at the end of a few others — teeters farther into the absurd. Now you're calling me a homer and a BS fan club member for holding a mirror to reality, rather than simply saying you spoke in error.

If they weren't having problems, why didn't they finish well? They got lucky in the first half.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because Kyrie Irving suffered a season-ending injury?

Also, here's a little secret: each year every team but one, by definition, doesn't finish well.

Well so Irving is the key to good team chemistry and NBA leading team defense, that's a change of the popular narrative.

Speaking of changing the narrative, Secret? That's like me talking about chemistry and how certain things hurt it at the begin of every year with BS but people point to season they had a luck streak to start..... It's okay that BS does something that doesn't work cause they are overachievers most years in spite of it.

[greg683x]

You can’t argue with someone who won’t argue with any of kind evidence or fact.

There has literally been no evidence provided on one side of this argument, just replies about stuff he remembers hearing the coach say, and saying the evidence he has been shown doesn’t count. 

[Never Nervous Pervis]

If you watch the post games and pre games that year BS said it a few times. And don't be fool by the total win difference during the stretch they played a lot of bad teams that helps it. They had a ridiculous stat that was being covered by a few sports media sources of games being very close with the last 3 mins. Don't remember the exact number but they also said the win % in that scenario was like double the league average. There were a few teams that really gave the C's the win in that stretch as well with unforced turn overs in under 2 mins. It was very much a lot of luck.

The Celtics could go 82-0 and Stevens would still find things to be critical of. That's his humble Indiana roots, not proof that the team struggled despite going 30-10 without Hayward. Why are you still clinging to this invalidated claim 4 pages later?

Invalidated? Please, the evidence is there that there are issues. A few posters have stated them over the last few years. I am stating it now. The thread is about a report BS is beating himself up about the season. I am pointing out something he is doing wrong and the BS fan club want's to come at me with one half of a season. I broke down the errors in their rebutle. The facts are he has struggled, some teams over achieved but he has made mistakes. Mistakes I point out that need correction. I'm critical because that's what a non-homer is.

The definitive truth is the Celtics did not start the 2017-2018 season in a hole when they went 30-10, and nobody in their right mind would claim otherwise. This has been pointed out repeatedly. Each subsequent attempt to rationalize it — the team came back to win several times, they only won some games by a few points, they got lucky at the end of a few others — teeters farther into the absurd. Now you're calling me a homer and a BS fan club member for holding a mirror to reality, rather than simply saying you spoke in error.

If they weren't having problems, why didn't they finish well? They got lucky in the first half.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because Kyrie Irving suffered a season-ending injury?

Also, here's a little secret: each year every team but one, by definition, doesn't finish well.

Well so Irving is the key to good team chemistry and NBA leading team defense, that's a change of the popular narrative.

Speaking of changing the narrative, Secret? That's like me talking about chemistry and how certain things hurt it at the begin of every year with BS but people point to season they had a luck streak to start..... It's okay that BS does something that doesn't work cause they are overachievers most years in spite of it.

Kyrie Irving is the guy who just got named 2nd team all-NBA, and who averaged 27.1 points, 3.9 assists, 3.9 rebounds and 2.1 steals, and shot 46.8% from the field and 40.5% on three-pointers in the 2016 NBA Finals win against Steph Curry and the Warriors.

I wonder if he would have helped against Cleveland last year?

I love how we've gone from Stevens put the Celtics in a hole despite the 30-10 start because he said the team was lucky to win in a few post-game interviews to Stevens put the Celtics in a hole despite the 30-10 start because the team failed to advance past game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals despite missing two of its best players.

[nickagneta]

If you watch the post games and pre games that year BS said it a few times. And don't be fool by the total win difference during the stretch they played a lot of bad teams that helps it. They had a ridiculous stat that was being covered by a few sports media sources of games being very close with the last 3 mins. Don't remember the exact number but they also said the win % in that scenario was like double the league average. There were a few teams that really gave the C's the win in that stretch as well with unforced turn overs in under 2 mins. It was very much a lot of luck.

The Celtics could go 82-0 and Stevens would still find things to be critical of. That's his humble Indiana roots, not proof that the team struggled despite going 30-10 without Hayward. Why are you still clinging to this invalidated claim 4 pages later?

Invalidated? Please, the evidence is there that there are issues. A few posters have stated them over the last few years. I am stating it now. The thread is about a report BS is beating himself up about the season. I am pointing out something he is doing wrong and the BS fan club want's to come at me with one half of a season. I broke down the errors in their rebutle. The facts are he has struggled, some teams over achieved but he has made mistakes. Mistakes I point out that need correction. I'm critical because that's what a non-homer is.

The definitive truth is the Celtics did not start the 2017-2018 season in a hole when they went 30-10, and nobody in their right mind would claim otherwise. This has been pointed out repeatedly. Each subsequent attempt to rationalize it — the team came back to win several times, they only won some games by a few points, they got lucky at the end of a few others — teeters farther into the absurd. Now you're calling me a homer and a BS fan club member for holding a mirror to reality, rather than simply saying you spoke in error.

If they weren't having problems, why didn't they finish well? They got lucky in the first half.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because Kyrie Irving suffered a season-ending injury?

Also, here's a little secret: each year every team but one, by definition, doesn't finish well.

Well so Irving is the key to good team chemistry and NBA leading team defense, that's a change of the popular narrative.

Speaking of changing the narrative, Secret? That's like me talking about chemistry and how certain things hurt it at the begin of every year with BS but people point to season they had a luck streak to start..... It's okay that BS does something that doesn't work cause they are overachievers most years in spite of it.

Kyrie Irving is the guy who just got named 2nd team all-NBA, and who averaged 27.1 points, 3.9 assists, 3.9 rebounds and 2.1 steals, and shot 46.8% from the field and 40.5% on three-pointers in the 2016 NBA Finals win against Steph Curry and the Warriors.

I wonder if he would have helped against Cleveland last year?

I love how we've gone from Stevens put the Celtics in a hole despite the 30-10 start because he said the team was lucky to win in a few post-game interviews to Stevens put the Celtics in a hole despite the 30-10 start because the team failed to advance past game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals despite missing two of its best players.

Don't forget, playing tremendous, league leading defense(giving up 2 points less per game than the team with the 2nd best defense) doesn't count. Beating teams by an average of more than 9 points a game during a 16 game win streak, also, doesn't matter.

Clearly, what matters is Kyrie was on the team and Stevens was coaching it, so the team must have been playing poorly.  That's what matters.

[Csfan1984]

You can’t argue with someone who won’t argue with any of kind evidence or fact.

There has literally been no evidence provided on one side of this argument, just replies about stuff he remembers hearing the coach say, and saying the evidence he has been shown doesn’t count.

What too lazy to search yourself? It literally took me one YouTube search
https://youtu.be/8p5YMIOkTH4

There are more times he talks about the streak in other interviews. But I don't need to provide links for everything because if you watched at the time you should know it already. Even in that video you hear a reporter ask about all the times getting down early by double digits. During that streak they didn't play well they just pulled them out.

[greg683x]

Lol clearly you’re just as lazy as me because you provided no such link when I asked for it the first time.  God forbid you back your own statements up.

As for the clip, do you really want to start dissecting how often good teams can fall behind by double digits?  It happens all the time, basketball is a game of runs.  Who won the games??  Was it a cause for concern?  Sure.  But maybe the reason they fell behind by double digits is because they had just lost a main focal point of their offense that they had worked all training camp on??

He also went into to praise his players resolve and will to come back, does that sound like a team that has problems with chemistry?

they were able to come back in these games because they were playing elite level defense and it’s takes chemistry to play elite team defense, even though you’re failing to prove that they had none.

There were no chemistry issues.  They were 30-10, so there was obviously no hole to be dug out from, give it up already

[mobilija]

Pulling out a win when down during a game isn’t playing well?

They won those games. Played better than the opposing teams for enough of the game to score more points. That’s good, right?

[Csfan1984]

Lol clearly you’re just as lazy as me because you provided no such link when I asked for it the first time.  God forbid you back your own statements up.

As for the clip, do you really want to start dissecting how often good teams can fall behind by double digits?  It happens all the time, basketball is a game of runs.  Who won the games??  Was it a cause for concern?  Sure.  But maybe the reason they fell behind by double digits is because they had just lost a main focal point of their offense that they had worked all training camp on??

He also went into to praise his players resolve and will to come back, does that sound like a team that has problems with chemistry?

they were able to come back in these games because they were playing elite level defense and it’s takes chemistry to play elite team defense, even though you’re failing to prove that they had none.

There were no chemistry issues.  They were 30-10, so there was obviously no hole to be dug out from, give it up already

Resolve isnt chemistry it's character. Watch again and pay attention to what he said they had to work on. Then think about all the mixing and matching he does early in the year and how that can effect the very thing he says say struggled with.