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Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2013, 11:16:49 AM »

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Wow.  I can't imagine Gay guarding any of the physical 4's.  I think he would be able to guard a lot of 2's better than he could guard 4's.

Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2013, 11:17:07 AM »

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It means Sacramento is just throwing things against the wall and seeing what sticks.

  This, most likely.

Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2013, 12:46:06 PM »

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Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #78 on: December 09, 2013, 02:50:01 PM »

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I don't like the deal for Toronto.

The cap flexibility is good but I think they should have gotten a draft pick or a better long term asset than Vasquez when trading away Rudy Gay.

Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2013, 02:52:06 PM »

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I don't like the deal for Toronto.

The cap flexibility is good but I think they should have gotten a draft pick or a better long term asset than Vasquez when trading away Rudy Gay.

They got a bunch of expirings for a guy that literally no other team wanted.  They were lucky just to dump him; a draft pick simply wouldn't have happened.  Not for two years and $37 million remaining (since he's probably not opting out).

Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #80 on: December 09, 2013, 02:55:20 PM »

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I don't like the deal for Toronto.

The cap flexibility is good but I think they should have gotten a draft pick or a better long term asset than Vasquez when trading away Rudy Gay.

That was my initial reaction too. On further reflection, I think this may indicate just how much Gay's star has fallen in the eyes of league GMs.
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Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #81 on: December 09, 2013, 02:56:29 PM »

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I don't like the deal for Toronto.

The cap flexibility is good but I think they should have gotten a draft pick or a better long term asset than Vasquez when trading away Rudy Gay.

That was my initial reaction too. On further reflection, I think this may indicate just how much Gay's star has fallen in the eyes of league GMs.

Yep, from the Grantland article you linked:

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The Raptors canvassed [dang] near the entire league in their quest to become the second team in two seasons to dump Rudy Gay well in advance of the trade deadline, according to sources across the NBA. They went to every team that made at least some theoretical sense: Detroit, with expiring contracts and at least some need on the wing; Milwaukee, with fading postseason ambitions and a massive hole at small forward the Greek Freak isn’t quite ready to fill; Cleveland, with a playoff mandate, a GM on shaky ground, and perhaps the worst group of starting wing players in the league; and many others.

Everyone said no, and they did so abruptly. This is how far Gay’s value has declined league-wide over the last 18 months. I know GMs who say they wouldn’t touch him now in free agency for the midlevel exception. Only one team was left: the Kings, with a new ownership group determined to make a splash and a new GM, Pete D’Alessandro, who worked with Toronto GM Masai Ujiri in Denver. The Kings’ wing rotation is a disaster, even after the recent acquisition of Derrick Williams, who has never resembled an NBA-caliber small forward. The Williams swap and DeMarcus Cousins max-level extension left Sacramento without meaningful projected cap room this summer, putting the Kings in a position where they could plausibly look at Gay’s $19 million player option for 2014-15 and say, “No harm, no foul.” The Raptors were betting Gay would pick up that option given his poor play this season, and dealing Gay allows them to plan with more certainty.

Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #82 on: December 09, 2013, 02:58:15 PM »

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Yeah, Lowe basically outlined that Gay's inefficiency in terms of his usage is on a historic level this year. I had no idea it was that bad.

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The current version of Gay is basically a harmful player. He used 30 percent of Toronto’s possessions with a shot, turnover, or drawn foul — a gargantuan usage rate reserved for the league’s biggest scoring stars. He’s also shooting 38.8 percent for the season. That is a historically rare combination of shot chucking and brick laying. Only three players in league history have used more than 30 percent of their team’s possessions while shooting below 40 percent: Jerry Stackhouse, Baron Davis, and Allen Iverson (twice). This is irresponsible offensive play.
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Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2013, 03:51:10 PM »

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Yeah, Lowe basically outlined that Gay's inefficiency in terms of his usage is on a historic level this year. I had no idea it was that bad.

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The current version of Gay is basically a harmful player. He used 30 percent of Toronto’s possessions with a shot, turnover, or drawn foul — a gargantuan usage rate reserved for the league’s biggest scoring stars. He’s also shooting 38.8 percent for the season. That is a historically rare combination of shot chucking and brick laying. Only three players in league history have used more than 30 percent of their team’s possessions while shooting below 40 percent: Jerry Stackhouse, Baron Davis, and Allen Iverson (twice). This is irresponsible offensive play.
There is a reason he banned box scores lol.

Re: Gay to Kings Rumor
« Reply #84 on: December 09, 2013, 04:34:24 PM »

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Gay and Cousins on the same team.

There's a joke there somewhere.

Probably not one you ought to tell.

Thats why I stopped it at that. lol haha