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Who ya got? (For ONE season)

Durant
24 (44.4%)
Giannis
11 (20.4%)
Kawhi
15 (27.8%)
LeBron
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2019, 09:30:07 PM »

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even for just one season...LeBrick should not be in the conversation anymore...He is done.
Some still mysteriously think he's better than Kawhi!
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2019, 09:48:37 PM »

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even for just one season...LeBrick should not be in the conversation anymore...He is done.
Some still mysteriously think he's better than Kawhi!

Lol, laughable. Lebron would need to get roided up again to get back to that level.

I picked Durant in answer to this poll. I also think he's the best player in the league and I have Harden right after him as the 2nd best player.

His ability to score is just unbelievable.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2019, 10:16:04 PM »

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thought this was going to be a choice between Buffalo, BBQ, Teriyaki or Sticky for building a party platter but I guess I misinterpreted the title


Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2019, 10:32:01 PM »

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thought this was going to be a choice between Buffalo, BBQ, Teriyaki or Sticky for building a party platter but I guess I misinterpreted the title


You wouldn't believe how hard it is to find a place to get wings in Australia!
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2019, 10:45:16 PM »

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why the heck is Lebron in this? more crazy, who the heck thinks he is the top wing in the league? That is insane

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2019, 10:47:47 PM »

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I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.

For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I don't think Kawhi can carry an offense.  He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list.  He is the worst rebounder as well.  Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin.
Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.

Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.

I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no help
Strange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season.  I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia.  Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help.  Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem.  I mean his career best apg is just 3.5.  His career best AST% is just 18.9%.  Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys.  Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc.  He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else.  And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively.  All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players.  Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.

How much is Leonard averaging this post season? He has been absolutely dominant.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2019, 11:02:39 PM »

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why the heck is Lebron in this? more crazy, who the heck thinks he is the top wing in the league? That is insane
Moranis has Kawhi 4th "by a pretty wide margin". Funny stuff
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2019, 12:00:04 AM »

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thought this was going to be a choice between Buffalo, BBQ, Teriyaki or Sticky for building a party platter but I guess I misinterpreted the title



I definitely vote buffalo.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2019, 12:20:32 AM »

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why the heck is Lebron in this? more crazy, who the heck thinks he is the top wing in the league? That is insane
Moranis has Kawhi 4th "by a pretty wide margin". Funny stuff

Lol. Leonard is averaging 38 points 9 rebounds and 62% in a second round series while playing elite defense. Lebron had an injury plagued year for a team that didn’t make the playoffs while playing bad defense. That is objectively an indefensible take and i don’t understand why someone would say it with a straight face

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2019, 04:15:36 AM »

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thought this was going to be a choice between Buffalo, BBQ, Teriyaki or Sticky for building a party platter but I guess I misinterpreted the title



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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2019, 06:31:21 AM »

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why the heck is Lebron in this? more crazy, who the heck thinks he is the top wing in the league? That is insane
Moranis has Kawhi 4th "by a pretty wide margin". Funny stuff

Lol. Leonard is averaging 38 points 9 rebounds and 62% in a second round series while playing elite defense. Lebron had an injury plagued year for a team that didn’t make the playoffs while playing bad defense. That is objectively an indefensible take and i don’t understand why someone would say it with a straight face
For 1 year, if you put Lebron and Kawhi on the same team (not together but the same supporting cast), I absolutely believe Lebron's team would do better than Kawhi's at the end of the day.  I'd certainly put far more stock in Lebron's team advancing farther in the playoffs, which is in fact the point of this question (at least as I saw it).  Heck even this year the Lakers were 28-27 with Lebron and 9-18 without him while the Raptors were 41-19 with Kawhi and 17-5 without him.  So the Raptors were significantly better without Leonard while the Lakers were significantly worse without James (and it is a similar sample size). 
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2019, 09:51:32 AM »

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For the next two seasons, I’d take Durant. But for 5+, give me Kawhi.
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2019, 10:35:22 AM »

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What's the point of making a thread titled who would you build around, if it is for only one season, lol.

Anyways, my order goes KD, Kawhi, Giannis, and LeBron.
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2019, 10:37:50 AM »

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What's the point of making a thread titled who would you build around, if it is for only one season, lol.

Anyways, my order goes KD, Kawhi, Giannis, and LeBron.
Because it's likely exactly what Toronto did...

Pretty obvious what the point of a question like that is
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2019, 11:28:10 AM »

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why the heck is Lebron in this? more crazy, who the heck thinks he is the top wing in the league? That is insane
Moranis has Kawhi 4th "by a pretty wide margin". Funny stuff

Lol. Leonard is averaging 38 points 9 rebounds and 62% in a second round series while playing elite defense. Lebron had an injury plagued year for a team that didn’t make the playoffs while playing bad defense. That is objectively an indefensible take and i don’t understand why someone would say it with a straight face
For 1 year, if you put Lebron and Kawhi on the same team (not together but the same supporting cast), I absolutely believe Lebron's team would do better than Kawhi's at the end of the day.  I'd certainly put far more stock in Lebron's team advancing farther in the playoffs, which is in fact the point of this question (at least as I saw it).  Heck even this year the Lakers were 28-27 with Lebron and 9-18 without him while the Raptors were 41-19 with Kawhi and 17-5 without him.  So the Raptors were significantly better without Leonard while the Lakers were significantly worse without James (and it is a similar sample size).

I honestly don’t believe that you actually think this.