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The poll states for ONE season only. So I picked Durant.If it's long-term, Giannis is a no-brainer.
Quote from: Moranis on May 04, 2019, 10:42:56 PMI think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him. Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Quote from: rondofan1255 on May 05, 2019, 01:12:37 AMThe poll states for ONE season only. So I picked Durant.If it's long-term, Giannis is a no-brainer.A lot of people seem to be missing the ONE season caveat - so TP to you for answering correctly.
Quote from: gouki88 on May 04, 2019, 10:46:17 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 04, 2019, 10:42:56 PMI think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him. Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctlyI don't think Kawhi can carry an offense. He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list. He is the worst rebounder as well. Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin.
Quote from: Moranis on May 05, 2019, 10:03:54 AMQuote from: gouki88 on May 04, 2019, 10:46:17 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 04, 2019, 10:42:56 PMI think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him. Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctlyI don't think Kawhi can carry an offense. He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list. He is the worst rebounder as well. Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin. Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no help
Quote from: gouki88 on May 05, 2019, 10:12:19 AMQuote from: Moranis on May 05, 2019, 10:03:54 AMQuote from: gouki88 on May 04, 2019, 10:46:17 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 04, 2019, 10:42:56 PMI think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him. Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctlyI don't think Kawhi can carry an offense. He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list. He is the worst rebounder as well. Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin. Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no helpStrange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season. I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia. Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help. Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem. I mean his career best apg is just 3.5. His career best AST% is just 18.9%. Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys. Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc. He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else. And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively. All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players. Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.
Quote from: jambr380 on May 05, 2019, 10:01:00 AMQuote from: rondofan1255 on May 05, 2019, 01:12:37 AMThe poll states for ONE season only. So I picked Durant.If it's long-term, Giannis is a no-brainer.A lot of people seem to be missing the ONE season caveat - so TP to you for answering correctly.Oh I knew it was 1 season and I'd still probably take Giannis. I just think he does so much on both sides of the ball that I'd go with him. Again though, you have to have the right team around him. I'd go Durant #2, with James a fairly distant 3rd, and Leonard an even more distant 4th.In addition to the Giannis doing so much, I'd worry about Durant's health and his attitude. For just 1 season, I think those could cause real problems which to date haven't been issues or concerns for Giannis at all.
Quote from: Moranis on May 05, 2019, 10:31:18 AMQuote from: gouki88 on May 05, 2019, 10:12:19 AMQuote from: Moranis on May 05, 2019, 10:03:54 AMQuote from: gouki88 on May 04, 2019, 10:46:17 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 04, 2019, 10:42:56 PMI think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him. Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctlyI don't think Kawhi can carry an offense. He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list. He is the worst rebounder as well. Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin. Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no helpStrange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season. I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia. Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help. Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem. I mean his career best apg is just 3.5. His career best AST% is just 18.9%. Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys. Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc. He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else. And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively. All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players. Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.Literally just putting words in my mouth now. I never claimed he had no help. What I am claiming is that Kyle Lowry is perhaps the biggest routine choker in the NBA. I'm also claiming that Toronto's formerly vaunted bench has abandoned ship against Philly. James Ennis alone is outscoring their bench this series. Man, that resting on defence argument is so comically weak. C'mon. Kevin Durant didn't have an AST% higher than 20 until he was 24. He'd also won 3 scoring titles prior to that. Yet his defence was never even close to Kawhi's. But he had so many less responsibilities on offence?? Ridiculous
Quote from: gouki88 on May 05, 2019, 10:45:27 AMQuote from: Moranis on May 05, 2019, 10:31:18 AMQuote from: gouki88 on May 05, 2019, 10:12:19 AMQuote from: Moranis on May 05, 2019, 10:03:54 AMQuote from: gouki88 on May 04, 2019, 10:46:17 PMQuote from: Moranis on May 04, 2019, 10:42:56 PMI think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him. Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctlyI don't think Kawhi can carry an offense. He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list. He is the worst rebounder as well. Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin. Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no helpStrange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season. I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia. Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help. Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem. I mean his career best apg is just 3.5. His career best AST% is just 18.9%. Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys. Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc. He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else. And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively. All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players. Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.Literally just putting words in my mouth now. I never claimed he had no help. What I am claiming is that Kyle Lowry is perhaps the biggest routine choker in the NBA. I'm also claiming that Toronto's formerly vaunted bench has abandoned ship against Philly. James Ennis alone is outscoring their bench this series. Man, that resting on defence argument is so comically weak. C'mon. Kevin Durant didn't have an AST% higher than 20 until he was 24. He'd also won 3 scoring titles prior to that. Yet his defence was never even close to Kawhi's. But he had so many less responsibilities on offence?? Ridiculousprior to 24 year old Durant wouldn't be on this list though so it has no relevance at all, other than actually supporting the argument I'm making.