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Who ya got? (For ONE season)

Durant
24 (44.4%)
Giannis
11 (20.4%)
Kawhi
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LeBron
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2019, 07:39:28 AM »

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Love Durant but Greek Freak is young and only going get better..
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2019, 10:01:00 AM »

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The poll states for ONE season only. So I picked Durant.

If it's long-term, Giannis is a no-brainer.

A lot of people seem to be missing the ONE season caveat - so TP to you for answering correctly.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2019, 10:03:54 AM »

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I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.

For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I don't think Kawhi can carry an offense.  He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list.  He is the worst rebounder as well.  Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin. 
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2019, 10:07:37 AM »

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The poll states for ONE season only. So I picked Durant.

If it's long-term, Giannis is a no-brainer.

A lot of people seem to be missing the ONE season caveat - so TP to you for answering correctly.
Oh I knew it was 1 season and I'd still probably take Giannis.  I just think he does so much on both sides of the ball that I'd go with him.  Again though, you have to have the right team around him.  I'd go Durant #2, with James a fairly distant 3rd, and Leonard an even more distant 4th.

In addition to the Giannis doing so much, I'd worry about Durant's health and his attitude.  For just 1 season, I think those could cause real problems which to date haven't been issues or concerns for Giannis at all.   
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2019, 10:12:19 AM »

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I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.

For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I don't think Kawhi can carry an offense.  He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list.  He is the worst rebounder as well.  Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin.
Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.

Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.

I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no help
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2019, 10:31:18 AM »

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I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.

For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I don't think Kawhi can carry an offense.  He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list.  He is the worst rebounder as well.  Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin.
Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.

Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.

I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no help
Strange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season.  I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia.  Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help.  Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem.  I mean his career best apg is just 3.5.  His career best AST% is just 18.9%.  Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys.  Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc.  He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else.  And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively.  All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players.  Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2019, 10:45:27 AM »

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I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.

For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I don't think Kawhi can carry an offense.  He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list.  He is the worst rebounder as well.  Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin.
Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.

Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.

I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no help
Strange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season.  I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia.  Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help.  Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem.  I mean his career best apg is just 3.5.  His career best AST% is just 18.9%.  Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys.  Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc.  He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else.  And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively.  All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players.  Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.
Literally just putting words in my mouth now. I never claimed he had no help. What I am claiming is that Kyle Lowry is perhaps the biggest routine choker in the NBA. I'm also claiming that Toronto's formerly vaunted bench has abandoned ship against Philly. James Ennis alone is outscoring their bench this series.

Man, that resting on defence argument is so comically weak. C'mon. Kevin Durant didn't have an AST% higher than 20 until he was 24. He'd also won 3 scoring titles prior to that. Yet his defence was never even close to Kawhi's. But he had so many less responsibilities on offence?? Ridiculous
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2019, 11:09:31 AM »

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If its for one season, and that season is say next year, I'd take Giannis. He is no even in his prime years yet, he's MVP, he's a DPOY candidate and in case people didn't notice he is starting to hit 3's.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2019, 11:49:54 AM »

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Durant. Easily the best offensive player of that group as a three tier scorer. He can truly take over a game. Also, a great defender when he’s engaged.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2019, 11:57:01 AM »

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Kawhi. Durant is close second but due to age. Giannis’ game is too limited. It’s too bad we don’t have the grit to put him in his place.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2019, 12:10:17 PM »

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The poll states for ONE season only. So I picked Durant.

If it's long-term, Giannis is a no-brainer.

A lot of people seem to be missing the ONE season caveat - so TP to you for answering correctly.
Oh I knew it was 1 season and I'd still probably take Giannis.  I just think he does so much on both sides of the ball that I'd go with him.  Again though, you have to have the right team around him.  I'd go Durant #2, with James a fairly distant 3rd, and Leonard an even more distant 4th.

In addition to the Giannis doing so much, I'd worry about Durant's health and his attitude.  For just 1 season, I think those could cause real problems which to date haven't been issues or concerns for Giannis at all.   

I wasn't referring to you; if you genuinely believe Giannis would be better than Durant for one season, that is your opinion (and it can certainly be backed up). Some others were taking age into consideration and that shouldn't really have anything to do with it in this particular poll.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2019, 12:37:06 PM »

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Idk how you can pick anyone other than Durant. He can literally do everything and the main thing he does better than anyone else is shoot the 3...  you will never be completely out of a game as long as he’s is on the court. He also has the IQ to facilitate.

Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2019, 03:05:10 PM »

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I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.

For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I don't think Kawhi can carry an offense.  He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list.  He is the worst rebounder as well.  Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin.
Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.

Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.

I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no help
Strange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season.  I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia.  Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help.  Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem.  I mean his career best apg is just 3.5.  His career best AST% is just 18.9%.  Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys.  Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc.  He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else.  And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively.  All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players.  Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.
Literally just putting words in my mouth now. I never claimed he had no help. What I am claiming is that Kyle Lowry is perhaps the biggest routine choker in the NBA. I'm also claiming that Toronto's formerly vaunted bench has abandoned ship against Philly. James Ennis alone is outscoring their bench this series.

Man, that resting on defence argument is so comically weak. C'mon. Kevin Durant didn't have an AST% higher than 20 until he was 24. He'd also won 3 scoring titles prior to that. Yet his defence was never even close to Kawhi's. But he had so many less responsibilities on offence?? Ridiculous
prior to 24 year old Durant wouldn't be on this list though so it has no relevance at all, other than actually supporting the argument I'm making.
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2019, 08:43:24 PM »

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I think I'd go with Giannis, but you would have to have the right team around him.
Yeah for sure. Helps that we've seen him a lot this season.

For me I'd go Kawhi. DPOY level defence and can get you 25-30 + 6-10 rebounds a game with elite efficiency. I just feel like he needs a better team around him and a coach that is willing to use his big men correctly
I don't think Kawhi can carry an offense.  He can score, but his play making, getting others involved, etc. is BY FAR the worst of the players on that list.  He is the worst rebounder as well.  Because of that, I'd have him 4th by a pretty wide margin.
Kawhi and KD are pretty comparable rebounders. They've both for the most part hovered between 6-7.5.

Conversely, Kawhi is comfortably the best defender on the list (LeBron is laughably bad at this stage) and is a much better shooter than Giannis and LBJ.

I think these playoffs have shown that Kawhi can carry an offence. He just has almost no help
Strange that people all of a sudden claim Kawhi has no help on a near 60 win team that had an incredible record when Kawhi was resting for a quarter of the season.  I mean if you look at any number of threads on here, Toronto was going to blitz Philadelphia.  Seems a bit after-the-fact reactionary to now claim Kawhi has no help.  Maybe just maybe it is Kawhi not getting his team involved that is the problem.  I mean his career best apg is just 3.5.  His career best AST% is just 18.9%.  Those are awful #'s compared to the other 3 guys.  Kawhi doesn't bring the ball up the floor, he doesn't initiate the offense, etc.  He basically gets the ball and creates a shot for himself but not a whole lot else.  And because he doesn't do any of that other stuff, he doesn't work nearly as hard offensively which allows him to work harder defensively.  All 3 of those other guys absolutely rest defensively, especially during the regular season, because they do so much more on offense, but come play off time, those other 3 guys all absolutely ratchet up the defense, while still maintaining the offense, making them much better all around players.  Kawhi is a great player, but he just isn't on the level of the other 3 guys as far as team building.
Literally just putting words in my mouth now. I never claimed he had no help. What I am claiming is that Kyle Lowry is perhaps the biggest routine choker in the NBA. I'm also claiming that Toronto's formerly vaunted bench has abandoned ship against Philly. James Ennis alone is outscoring their bench this series.

Man, that resting on defence argument is so comically weak. C'mon. Kevin Durant didn't have an AST% higher than 20 until he was 24. He'd also won 3 scoring titles prior to that. Yet his defence was never even close to Kawhi's. But he had so many less responsibilities on offence?? Ridiculous
prior to 24 year old Durant wouldn't be on this list though so it has no relevance at all, other than actually supporting the argument I'm making.
Rofl, alright. Keep telling yourself KD works harder on offence because he passes to Curry and Klay
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Re: Which of the four great wings would you build around?
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2019, 09:28:04 PM »

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even for just one season...LeBrick should not be in the conversation anymore...He is done.