The effect of carrying Hayward

[scaryjerry]

The problem is not Hayward. The Hayward you're talking about was playing as you described in the first 5 games. The Hayward of the last 3 games, rebounds, see's the floor, scores and passes better than either of our "heralded" young players. 

Face it Brown has played in close to 200 NBA games and still he's years away... if ever.

Tatum is at least a year away from being a reliable, forceful NBA player.

Hayward didn't even play in the Dallas game and still, we got tuned-up.

Haywards presence has affected team chemistry and made the team worse despite him not playing the Dallas game he's been a big part of the problem this season

[TheLegendaryClub]

Hayward's presence has thrown off the chemistry; okay.

Except that, aside from Horford, Gordon is the most unselfish player on the team. He spends most of his minutes setting other guys up to make shots. His drive-and-kick has been one of our most effective offensive sets. His scoring may be limited, but from a team perspective he's doing everything he can to help his teammates get it going offensively. If they're having trouble adjusting, if they're being timid or complacent or else too selfish on offense, that's on them (and Stevens), not Gordon.

[CelticsElite]

Were terrible when Hayward doesn't play

Blaming Hayward has become a convenient scapegoat

[jambr380]

Were terrible when Hayward doesn't play

Blaming Hayward has become a convenient scapegoat

It's easy when he is making so much money. Everybody also sees how well guys like Kawhi, George, and Butler (other obtainable stars) are playing and realize just how unlucky we were to have such a freak injury happen to our new max [previous] all-star. It's just a bummer.

But I do agree that Brown and [especially] Rozier need to get over it and just play with maximum effort when on the floor

[ozgod]

Hayward's presence has thrown off the chemistry; okay.

Except that, aside from Horford, Gordon is the most unselfish player on the team. He spends most of his minutes setting other guys up to make shots. His drive-and-kick has been one of our most effective offensive sets. His scoring may be limited, but from a team perspective he's doing everything he can to help his teammates get it going offensively. If they're having trouble adjusting, if they're being timid or complacent or else too selfish on offense, that's on them (and Stevens), not Gordon.

Gordon only attempted 5 shots vs NO tonight (he made 2) he spent most of his minutes passing the ball to other people. I also think he’s lacking a bit of confidence in it but he was fine in other ways. He’s not going to maintain his stat line from Utah there’s too many good offensive players who want their shots on this team and not enough shots to go around. That goes for pretty much everyone on the roster.

[SHAQATTACK]

Were terrible when Hayward doesn't play

Blaming Hayward has become a convenient scapegoat

thats true...

the blame squarely lands on CBs for playing Rozier at all.

[nickagneta]

Were terrible when Hayward doesn't play

Blaming Hayward has become a convenient scapegoat

thats true...

the blame squarely lands on CBs for playing Rozier at all.

The blame rests squarely on the shoulders of every player and coach on this team.

[GreenEnvy]

Were terrible when Hayward doesn't play

Blaming Hayward has become a convenient scapegoat

It's easy when he is making so much money. Everybody also sees how well guys like Kawhi, George, and Butler (other obtainable stars) are playing and realize just how unlucky we were to have such a freak injury happen to our new max [previous] all-star. It's just a bummer.

But I do agree that Brown and [especially] Rozier need to get over it and just play with maximum effort when on the floor

I’m not sure of the reference to the players you mentioned. Are you referring to them being injured and returning to the same production, or that we could have had them instead? If it’s the former, Butler didn’t have a very serious injury, Kawhi may not have been injured for most of his absence, and George had a more convenient timetable and no major setbacks. Hayward will get back to his level, it may just take longer than some expected (himself included).

If it’s the latter, none could have been signed with the cap space we used to sign Gordon, so that’s a moot point. They were obtainable with or without Hayward. Ainge chose not to trade for any of them.

[bopna]

Hayward is done.. He ainy goin back to form..
15ppg player when he gets better.. And even that is pretty lenient...

[bopna]

Hayward's presence has thrown off the chemistry; okay.

Except that, aside from Horford, Gordon is the most unselfish player on the team. He spends most of his minutes setting other guys up to make shots. His drive-and-kick has been one of our most effective offensive sets. His scoring may be limited, but from a team perspective he's doing everything he can to help his teammates get it going offensively. If they're having trouble adjusting, if they're being timid or complacent or else too selfish on offense, that's on them (and Stevens), not Gordon.

We once already had that player.. His name is Evan Jack of all trades Turner... 10ppg gives you 6 boards and 4 assts.. And he didnt cost 31 million.

To justify Hayward's salary he must produce 18/7/4 on perhaps 30 minutes of action... And I cant see him doing that for the duration of his contract... He's done.

[celtics4ever33]

Hayward's presence has thrown off the chemistry; okay.

Except that, aside from Horford, Gordon is the most unselfish player on the team. He spends most of his minutes setting other guys up to make shots. His drive-and-kick has been one of our most effective offensive sets. His scoring may be limited, but from a team perspective he's doing everything he can to help his teammates get it going offensively. If they're having trouble adjusting, if they're being timid or complacent or else too selfish on offense, that's on them (and Stevens), not Gordon.

We once already had that player.. His name is Evan Jack of all trades Turner... 10ppg gives you 6 boards and 4 assts.. And he didnt cost 31 million.

To justify Hayward's salary he must produce 18/7/4 on perhaps 30 minutes of action... And I cant see him doing that for the duration of his contract... He's done.

Imagine Ray Allen coming here and averaging 11 points a game that first year.

The problem also is that Ray Allen even at 32 and coming of an injury as well, is way better than Hayward ever was and will be.

Ainge paid for a slightly better Wally Scerbiak.

And I like Hayward. He is ok as a 1st or 2nd option on a mediocre team like Utah. Once Mitchell erupted he was already going to be a 2nd option.

One thing I like about Hayward is he isnt really scared of going up against top SF's. He is a good team player.

[tarheelsxxiii]

We love you Gordy. 

Hi, Robyn.

[jambr380]

Were terrible when Hayward doesn't play

Blaming Hayward has become a convenient scapegoat

It's easy when he is making so much money. Everybody also sees how well guys like Kawhi, George, and Butler (other obtainable stars) are playing and realize just how unlucky we were to have such a freak injury happen to our new max [previous] all-star. It's just a bummer.

But I do agree that Brown and [especially] Rozier need to get over it and just play with maximum effort when on the floor

I’m not sure of the reference to the players you mentioned. Are you referring to them being injured and returning to the same production, or that we could have had them instead? If it’s the former, Butler didn’t have a very serious injury, Kawhi may not have been injured for most of his absence, and George had a more convenient timetable and no major setbacks. Hayward will get back to his level, it may just take longer than some expected (himself included).

If it’s the latter, none could have been signed with the cap space we used to sign Gordon, so that’s a moot point. They were obtainable with or without Hayward. Ainge chose not to trade for any of them.

I meant the latter (but the former is also an interesting point). Ainge chose not to trade for any of those players because he was able to sign Hayward. If we had whiffed on Hayward, he absolutely would have found a way to upgrade the position - either with another max player who is currently more deserving of the max or with lesser players who would make a fraction of what Hayward is making. We had so much cap space we wouldn't have needed to even match salary in a trade.

The whole injury was just unlucky for the Cs franchise. DA made genius move after genius move and put us in a position to compete for a championship...and then the injury happened. One thing we know about DA, he is not going to stand pat and watch this team's window close because of an unlucky break. I am not sure what he will do, but if we continue to play at a level less than elite, changes will be made.

[wiley]

I find it strange that people are burying GH after 20 games, after he missed a whole year with a terrible injury. 

People should stop worrying about his salary...get over it...it can happen in the NBA.

He earned big money, pre-Donovan Mitchell, hoisting the Jazz on his back.  He EARNED it, then had some really bad luck.  I'm so happy we have Gordon Hayward and his contract and not John Wall and his.  Gordon will continue to strive to make the team better, and he'll do it unselfishishly.
Off the bench, starting, etc.  He is also big, major insurance should we need to trade Brown or Tatum in a blockbuster for a star big.  Very happy to have Gordon on this team.  For now, yes, he should be off the bench.  Who cares how much money he makes.

[Humble G]

I find it strange that people are burying GH after 20 games, after he missed a whole year with a terrible injury. 

People should stop worrying about his salary...get over it...it can happen in the NBA.

He earned big money, pre-Donovan Mitchell, hoisting the Jazz on his back.  He EARNED it, then had some really bad luck.  I'm so happy we have Gordon Hayward and his contract and not John Wall and his.  Gordon will continue to strive to make the team better, and he'll do it unselfishishly.
Off the bench, starting, etc.  He is also big, major insurance should we need to trade Brown or Tatum in a blockbuster for a star big.  Very happy to have Gordon on this team.  For now, yes, he should be off the bench.  Who cares how much money he makes.

TP! This is exactly how I feel. I still think we will make some noise in the playoffs and hopefully make finals and maybe even win. The Celtics COULD do that and we are lucky that we have the talent to even say we COULD win it all.......and it be a real possibility; very few teams can say that: GSW, Raptors, Philly, maybe HOU and maybe Bucks.

So I am going to be patient and give the team time.....doesn't mean Im not frustrated.......lookin at you Jaylen and Rozier lol