The effect of carrying Hayward

[Ogaju]

This whole chemistry thing is overrated, basketball is all about biology and physics. Hayward is no there yet biologically, and physically. That is the issue.

Give him time to heal is body and his mind.

[Wretch]

I do not understand questions about Haywards toughness. He's coming back from a horrendous ankle injury that involved multiple surgeries. He's plenty tough. He's never been an enforcer, like Smart or Morris, but being an enforcer is not the same as being tough.

He's a smart and skilled player that is contributing positively to the team even when his shot isn't falling as evidenced by the team offensive and defensive rating when he's on the court. Additionally those ratings are trending in a positive direction as he plays more.  Hayward isn't carrying the team and the team isn't carrying him either.

[Rosco917]

I do not understand questions about Haywards toughness. He's coming back from a horrendous ankle injury that involved multiple surgeries. He's plenty tough. He's never been an enforcer, like Smart or Morris, but being an enforcer is not the same as being tough.

He's a smart and skilled player that is contributing positively to the team even when his shot isn't falling as evidenced by the team offensive and defensive rating when he's on the court. Additionally those ratings are trending in a positive direction as he plays more.  Hayward isn't carrying the team and the team isn't carrying him either.

TP ^

[GreenEnvy]

Hayward is an obsolete bust at this point for the Celtics.  He is coming off the bench and he should at this point.  He is a shell of his former self after his injury.  I am hoping he will regain his form and start to hep this team towards the second half of this season on its quest for a championship.  I am not certain that will happen.  He doesn’t fit into the 3 point shooting system as well as I thought he would.  He looks like a mid range shooter when I watch him play.  His 3point range looks off to me.  His defense has yet to prove anything special either.  I am hopeful that this all gets turned around as the season progresses.

What is obsolete about him?

He’s white, therefore unathletic. This isn’t the 50’s and 60’s NBA.

Plus, no player ever gets better after returning from a year-long, double-surgery injury. What you see upon his return is what you’re going to get, forever.

Ainge screwed up big time not foreseeing that injury. Surprised Wyc let him keep his job.

[Phantom255x]

Hayward is an obsolete bust at this point for the Celtics.  He is coming off the bench and he should at this point.  He is a shell of his former self after his injury.  I am hoping he will regain his form and start to hep this team towards the second half of this season on its quest for a championship.  I am not certain that will happen.  He doesn’t fit into the 3 point shooting system as well as I thought he would.  He looks like a mid range shooter when I watch him play.  His 3point range looks off to me.  His defense has yet to prove anything special either.  I am hopeful that this all gets turned around as the season progresses.

What is obsolete about him?

He’s white, therefore unathletic. This isn’t the 50’s and 60’s NBA.

Plus, no player ever gets better after returning from a year-long, double-surgery injury. What you see upon his return is what you’re going to get, forever.

Ainge screwed up big time not foreseeing that injury. Surprised Wyc let him keep his job.

[IDreamCeltics]

If you're not happy with Hayward's play, you probably want to start to temper your expectations.

His shooting numbers are almost identical to his 2013/2014 numbers (four years into his career). 

This is pretty much who he is. 

[Phantom255x]

If you're not happy with Hayward's play, you probably want to start to temper your expectations.

His shooting numbers are almost identical to his 2013/2014 numbers (four years into his career). 

This is pretty much who he is.

[Big333223]

Hayward is an obsolete bust at this point for the Celtics.  He is coming off the bench and he should at this point.  He is a shell of his former self after his injury.  I am hoping he will regain his form and start to hep this team towards the second half of this season on its quest for a championship.  I am not certain that will happen.  He doesn’t fit into the 3 point shooting system as well as I thought he would.  He looks like a mid range shooter when I watch him play.  His 3point range looks off to me.  His defense has yet to prove anything special either.  I am hopeful that this all gets turned around as the season progresses.

What is obsolete about him?

He’s white, therefore unathletic. This isn’t the 50’s and 60’s NBA.

Plus, no player ever gets better after returning from a year-long, double-surgery injury. What you see upon his return is what you’re going to get, forever.

Ainge screwed up big time not foreseeing that injury. Surprised Wyc let him keep his job.

I'm with Phantom and Doc on this one. Looking at the first 19 games back from a year long injury and thinking it will define the rest of the player's career is incredibly short sighted.

[CelticsElite]

Hayward is an obsolete bust at this point for the Celtics.  He is coming off the bench and he should at this point.  He is a shell of his former self after his injury.  I am hoping he will regain his form and start to hep this team towards the second half of this season on its quest for a championship.  I am not certain that will happen.  He doesn’t fit into the 3 point shooting system as well as I thought he would.  He looks like a mid range shooter when I watch him play.  His 3point range looks off to me.  His defense has yet to prove anything special either.  I am hopeful that this all gets turned around as the season progresses.

What is obsolete about him?

He’s white, therefore unathletic.

cant tell if you’re joking or not

[GreenEnvy]

Hayward is an obsolete bust at this point for the Celtics.  He is coming off the bench and he should at this point.  He is a shell of his former self after his injury.  I am hoping he will regain his form and start to hep this team towards the second half of this season on its quest for a championship.  I am not certain that will happen.  He doesn’t fit into the 3 point shooting system as well as I thought he would.  He looks like a mid range shooter when I watch him play.  His 3point range looks off to me.  His defense has yet to prove anything special either.  I am hopeful that this all gets turned around as the season progresses.

What is obsolete about him?

He’s white, therefore unathletic. This isn’t the 50’s and 60’s NBA.

Plus, no player ever gets better after returning from a year-long, double-surgery injury. What you see upon his return is what you’re going to get, forever.

Ainge screwed up big time not foreseeing that injury. Surprised Wyc let him keep his job.

I'm with Phantom and Doc on this one. Looking at the first 19 games back from a year long injury and thinking it will define the rest of the player's career is incredibly short sighted.

My entire post was in jest. None of it makes remotely any sense or should be taken serious, except on here, where posts like that are the norm.

[CelticsElite]

Hayward is an obsolete bust at this point for the Celtics.  He is coming off the bench and he should at this point.  He is a shell of his former self after his injury.  I am hoping he will regain his form and start to hep this team towards the second half of this season on its quest for a championship.  I am not certain that will happen.  He doesn’t fit into the 3 point shooting system as well as I thought he would.  He looks like a mid range shooter when I watch him play.  His 3point range looks off to me.  His defense has yet to prove anything special either.  I am hopeful that this all gets turned around as the season progresses.

What is obsolete about him?

He’s white, therefore unathletic. This isn’t the 50’s and 60’s NBA.

Plus, no player ever gets better after returning from a year-long, double-surgery injury. What you see upon his return is what you’re going to get, forever.

Ainge screwed up big time not foreseeing that injury. Surprised Wyc let him keep his job.

I'm with Phantom and Doc on this one. Looking at the first 19 games back from a year long injury and thinking it will define the rest of the player's career is incredibly short sighted.

My entire post was in jest. None of it makes remotely any sense or should be taken serious, except on here, where posts like that are the norm.

haha it was a good joke.

[mmmmm]

For what it's worth ...

Over the last 8 games, with Hayward on the floor, the Celtics have scored 112.1 points per 100 while surrendering just 103.8 points per 100.

I'll gladly run with that "effect".

[Yazfan]

I've literally watched every Hayward game on NBA LP with the Jazz since we started following him at Butler.

IMO he is about 60% of himself.

He just needs more burn. Keep in mind PG13 sucked for almost 1 year after his deal so I think the goal with Hayward is hopefully after allstar break he starts getting closer to 80/90%.

If I'm Hayward (Maybe he is doing this) I would spend money and get one of those air chambers to sleep in to help healing.

Once he is back, we will all be laughing. Not yet though

[Big333223]

Hayward is an obsolete bust at this point for the Celtics.  He is coming off the bench and he should at this point.  He is a shell of his former self after his injury.  I am hoping he will regain his form and start to hep this team towards the second half of this season on its quest for a championship.  I am not certain that will happen.  He doesn’t fit into the 3 point shooting system as well as I thought he would.  He looks like a mid range shooter when I watch him play.  His 3point range looks off to me.  His defense has yet to prove anything special either.  I am hopeful that this all gets turned around as the season progresses.

What is obsolete about him?

He’s white, therefore unathletic. This isn’t the 50’s and 60’s NBA.

Plus, no player ever gets better after returning from a year-long, double-surgery injury. What you see upon his return is what you’re going to get, forever.

Ainge screwed up big time not foreseeing that injury. Surprised Wyc let him keep his job.

I'm with Phantom and Doc on this one. Looking at the first 19 games back from a year long injury and thinking it will define the rest of the player's career is incredibly short sighted.

My entire post was in jest. None of it makes remotely any sense or should be taken serious, except on here, where posts like that are the norm.

That makes more sense. TP

[ozgod]

Well after a difficult start to the year for him it’s good to see Gordon Hayward carrying the team for a change vs the Wolves  I hope this is that point when his doubts and uncertainties fall away and he realizes yes he can be what he was before. 30-9-8 is a good line by anyone standards