The effect of carrying Hayward

[rollie mass]

The team is trying to play like it isn't the problem but it is.I can'even watch .It's called deferring to the all star who is unable to hit threes ,make layups and would repetitively drive and kick.
As much as we all understand, what has to be gone through.
The teams knows
Brad knows,
Ainge knows.

Hayward costs points, ruins timing.It is the way it is and nobody is going to sabotage Hayward's comeback and confidence.NOT BRAD
How many points a game has Hayward cost ,how many drive and kick outs are because he has no lift or confidence getting hit up in the air.How many wide open threes, air balled floaters, missed layups
The players are giving it time, Danny talks patience
This is not an attack on Hayward but a response to attacks on Brown,Tatum and Kyrie,
The TEAM is carrying Hayward

[footey]

Hayward didn’t play Saturday.

[hpantazo]

Hayward didn’t play Saturday.

[ozgod]

Did Hayward play on Saturday? 

[celtics4ever33]

Here we go.

The one game out theory.


If the Celtics had won , they probably would be defending how one game does not matter lol.

LOVE sports fans. Love them.

[GreenEnvy]

Yeah the Hayward rhetoric is getting tiresome because when he doesn’t play, we have the exact same problems.

He’s being made the scapegoat because that’s the lazy answer.

[celtics4ever33]

Yeah the Hayward rhetoric is getting tiresome because when he doesn’t play, we have the exact same problems.

He’s being made the scapegoat because that’s the lazy answer.

Everybody is being made the scapegoat. Actually Hayward who has mediocre stats is arguably the worst because the other guys were winning last year and looking good. Now they stink all of a sudden.

The truth is that everybody is not playing that well. Defense included whether you think we are an elite defensive team or not.

I think Gordon isnt the problem but is Causing one simply by addition. Not his fault, not his fault also why he has been playing so under par.

[nickagneta]

Yeah the Hayward rhetoric is getting tiresome because when he doesn’t play, we have the exact same problems.

He’s being made the scapegoat because that’s the lazy answer.

Absolutely. Hayward is not THE problem.

The problem is

Hayward
Baynes
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Irving
Rozier
Smart
Morris
Theis
Semi
Stevens
Jamie Young
Jay Larranaga
Jerome Allen
Micah Shrewsbury
Scott Morrison

[Greengang5]

Who exactly is carrying Hayward? The players are not.  The team isn't going anywhere without working Hayward in and giving him minutes.  His usage is low and he is playing the game the right way.  He doesnt trust his jumping yet, but would rather he drive and find the open man like he is doing than jack contested 2.  I also saw his shot look as natural as its been all season in the 4th against Knicks.  He then looked good shooting against Hawks.  He is coming.  The most important thing he needs to do is break his character and let out one year of emotion on the court..  whether that is a dunk or and 1 he needs to have a vocal outburst.  His teammates will follow.

[jambr380]

Smart, Brown, and Rozier all are playing fewer minutes this year than last. While I don't believe Hayward is the direct cause of our mediocre play, minutes do matter to players - as do roles. All three players are a little less important than we remember them last year (especially in the playoffs) and, in turn, have a smaller margin for error.

It should be noted that the return of Kyrie has also probably led some of this poor shooting and decision making, but these three guys have at least played well in the past with Kyrie. There is no positive history with Hayward.

[scaryjerry]

I have thought since the start of the season haywards addition has completely thrown off the chemistry of this team....but he isnt the only problem. And neither is it just jaylen brown and terry rozier like everyone thinks.. Al horford and kyrie irving are most to blame honestly..kyrie irving is frankly a weirdo who cant lead a team whatsoever and al horford just straight up not good enough despite how much I like him

[Greengang5]

Agree that Hayward being added to the rotation is new, but players need to be mentally stronger than they have been this year. Everyone said before the season they need to sacrifice and accept different roles. Hayward has done it.  Individual success comes from the team winning. 

Tatums regular season per game minutes are up.  Brown and Rozier are slightly down in regular season minutes.  But Brown and Rozier have been bad.  Rozier seems to have the most issue going from 36 playoff minutes to 18.  That is mostly due to Kyrie and not Hayward.  Tatum and Brown are down 3-4 minutes each from their playoff averages.  The Celtics were not great last year on offense even with Kyrie with the others.

Make shots, let's get the ball humming around, and multiple people get on the floor. 


 

       

[Kuberski33]

Yeah the Hayward rhetoric is getting tiresome because when he doesn’t play, we have the exact same problems.

He’s being made the scapegoat because that’s the lazy answer.

Absolutely. Hayward is not THE problem.

The problem is

Hayward
Baynes
Brown
Tatum
Horford
Irving
Rozier
Smart
Morris
Theis
Semi
Stevens
Jamie Young
Jay Larranaga
Jerome Allen
Micah Shrewsbury
Scott Morrison

Ainge basically said as much in an  article that Bulpett wrote today. 

[Bobshot]

I have thought since the start of the season haywards addition has completely thrown off the chemistry of this team....but he isnt the only problem. And neither is it just jaylen brown and terry rozier like everyone thinks.. Al horford and kyrie irving are most to blame honestly..kyrie irving is frankly a weirdo who cant lead a team whatsoever and al horford just straight up not good enough despite how much I like him

I agree about Hayward, and I've said this all along. There was hardly any pre-season to get the starting rotation game minutes (about 15 min. per game). Instead, Stevens seemed to focus on defining the back end of the roster.  That was a mistake, because the starting rotation clearly wasn't ready to start the season. Especially Hayward and Irving, coming off injuries. And Hayward had never really played a regular season game with them, and still needed to get his legs  and confidence back. The result was the chemistry was affected, and the young starters like Brown and Tatum have seemed to regress.

I watched a pre-season game or two, and there was this hideous over dependence on the 3P shot. No passing, just bombs away with nobody near the basket. And by guys who have no business shooting the 3. Completely undisciplined. Undoubtedly there has been an improvement since, but it could be that the 3P obsession has hit its peak in the league. Houston has had a rough start, too. And if Silver had any guts, he'd move that 3p line out and eliminate those short corners Larry Bird used to live in.

[Rosco917]

The problem is not Hayward. The Hayward you're talking about was playing as you described in the first 5 games. The Hayward of the last 3 games, rebounds, see's the floor, scores and passes better than either of our "heralded" young players. 

Face it Brown has played in close to 200 NBA games and still he's years away... if ever.

Tatum is at least a year away from being a reliable, forceful NBA player.

Hayward didn't even play in the Dallas game and still, we got tuned-up.