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Vintage Cooz
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Saw this recently - a 10 minute video of Cousy's last game as a Celtic - restored.  Real good quality. Red is great when he's interviewed at the end...lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS1l0eCy_24&feature=youtu.be

Cousy is I guess age 34 in this game.

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Thanks for sharing

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The passing is amazing. Could everyone make that hook shot back then? There's no 3 point shot and they have to dribble with there hands on top of the ball. It's a different game.

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How about that steal followed by the underhanded spinning "layup" off the glass at the 3:15 mark!

Sick.   'Love the Coooz.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2018, 04:52:09 PM »

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The passing is amazing. Could everyone make that hook shot back then? There's no 3 point shot and they have to dribble with there hands on top of the ball. It's a different game.
I can see his game translating to today's NBA. Granted his shot is almost a set shot but he could have easily extended his range out beyond the arc.  Maybe Rondo is the closest comparison - like in the past 40 years, not just today?

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The game moved slowly for Cousy. His hands on the ball were so very fluid. Shovels, hooks and that 1950's set shot, but he was a ridiculous athlete with top court vision. He always knew where everyone was on either team.

I have to assume three point shots would have been no problem for Cousy, his shots were always effortless.

Watch those full games and look at his passing, I really think that was his greatest asset.

Thank you Kuberski33 for post!

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The passing is amazing. Could everyone make that hook shot back then? There's no 3 point shot and they have to dribble with there hands on top of the ball. It's a different game.
I can see his game translating to today's NBA. Granted his shot is almost a set shot but he could have easily extended his range out beyond the arc.  Maybe Rondo is the closest comparison - like in the past 40 years, not just today?

Cousy always loved Rondo's game.

When people talk about whether so-and-so player could play in the modern NBA, it's always a bit silly to focus too much on changes to the game that would have dictated a different emphasis in development.   If they had had the three point shot back then, then players back then would have developed using that shot.   If they allowed the dribble hand to move as far to the side of the ball back then as they do now, then guards like Cousy would have been doing crossovers and off-handed dribbles.   

But there's some things they did back then that some modern players might struggle with, if they didn't develop to them.   Even that small amount of footage hints at the madcap pace that the Celtics played at back in those days.   During the Cousy/Russell/Auerbach era of dominance, the Celtics never averaged less than 118 possessions per game and several times averaged over 130!   By today's standards, that's insane!   Last year, the Pelicans led the league with a Pace of just 100.5 possessions per game.

On top of that, the top players on those teams, like Cousy & Russell, typically played 36+, or even 40+ minutes per game.    Man, the mileage up and down the court those guys put in was nuts!   Most modern players simply don't log those kind of giant minutes and none of the ones who do come close to running up and down the court at such an extreme pace.

NBA Officiating - Corrupt?  Incompetent?  Which is worse?  Does it matter?  It sucks.

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The passing is amazing. Could everyone make that hook shot back then? There's no 3 point shot and they have to dribble with there hands on top of the ball. It's a different game.
I can see his game translating to today's NBA. Granted his shot is almost a set shot but he could have easily extended his range out beyond the arc.  Maybe Rondo is the closest comparison - like in the past 40 years, not just today?

He could get that hook shot off over anyone  ,even to day.

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The passing is amazing. Could everyone make that hook shot back then? There's no 3 point shot and they have to dribble with there hands on top of the ball. It's a different game.
I can see his game translating to today's NBA. Granted his shot is almost a set shot but he could have easily extended his range out beyond the arc.  Maybe Rondo is the closest comparison - like in the past 40 years, not just today?

Cousy always loved Rondo's game.

When people talk about whether so-and-so player could play in the modern NBA, it's always a bit silly to focus too much on changes to the game that would have dictated a different emphasis in development.   If they had had the three point shot back then, then players back then would have developed using that shot.   If they allowed the dribble hand to move as far to the side of the ball back then as they do now, then guards like Cousy would have been doing crossovers and off-handed dribbles.   

But there's some things they did back then that some modern players might struggle with, if they didn't develop to them.   Even that small amount of footage hints at the madcap pace that the Celtics played at back in those days.   During the Cousy/Russell/Auerbach era of dominance, the Celtics never averaged less than 118 possessions per game and several times averaged over 130!   By today's standards, that's insane!   Last year, the Pelicans led the league with a Pace of just 100.5 possessions per game.

On top of that, the top players on those teams, like Cousy & Russell, typically played 36+, or even 40+ minutes per game.    Man, the mileage up and down the court those guys put in was nuts!   Most modern players simply don't log those kind of giant minutes and none of the ones who do come close to running up and down the court at such an extreme pace.

Because todays NBA players weight so much more they can't run like that all game. Those old NBA games where half basketball and half track meet.

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The passing is amazing. Could everyone make that hook shot back then? There's no 3 point shot and they have to dribble with there hands on top of the ball. It's a different game.
I can see his game translating to today's NBA. Granted his shot is almost a set shot but he could have easily extended his range out beyond the arc.  Maybe Rondo is the closest comparison - like in the past 40 years, not just today?

Cousy always loved Rondo's game.

When people talk about whether so-and-so player could play in the modern NBA, it's always a bit silly to focus too much on changes to the game that would have dictated a different emphasis in development.   If they had had the three point shot back then, then players back then would have developed using that shot.   If they allowed the dribble hand to move as far to the side of the ball back then as they do now, then guards like Cousy would have been doing crossovers and off-handed dribbles.   

But there's some things they did back then that some modern players might struggle with, if they didn't develop to them.   Even that small amount of footage hints at the madcap pace that the Celtics played at back in those days.   During the Cousy/Russell/Auerbach era of dominance, the Celtics never averaged less than 118 possessions per game and several times averaged over 130!   By today's standards, that's insane!   Last year, the Pelicans led the league with a Pace of just 100.5 possessions per game.

On top of that, the top players on those teams, like Cousy & Russell, typically played 36+, or even 40+ minutes per game.    Man, the mileage up and down the court those guys put in was nuts!   Most modern players simply don't log those kind of giant minutes and none of the ones who do come close to running up and down the court at such an extreme pace.

Because todays NBA players weight so much more they can't run like that all game. Those old NBA games where half basketball and half track meet.
The modern athlete seems much more designed to excel at bursts of sprinting over a period of time rather than consistent hard running. At least thatís how it appears to me watching pro basketball and Aussie Rules

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 11:18:19 AM »

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The passing is amazing. Could everyone make that hook shot back then? There's no 3 point shot and they have to dribble with there hands on top of the ball. It's a different game.
I can see his game translating to today's NBA. Granted his shot is almost a set shot but he could have easily extended his range out beyond the arc.  Maybe Rondo is the closest comparison - like in the past 40 years, not just today?

Cousy always loved Rondo's game.

When people talk about whether so-and-so player could play in the modern NBA, it's always a bit silly to focus too much on changes to the game that would have dictated a different emphasis in development.   If they had had the three point shot back then, then players back then would have developed using that shot.   If they allowed the dribble hand to move as far to the side of the ball back then as they do now, then guards like Cousy would have been doing crossovers and off-handed dribbles.   

But there's some things they did back then that some modern players might struggle with, if they didn't develop to them.   Even that small amount of footage hints at the madcap pace that the Celtics played at back in those days.   During the Cousy/Russell/Auerbach era of dominance, the Celtics never averaged less than 118 possessions per game and several times averaged over 130!   By today's standards, that's insane!   Last year, the Pelicans led the league with a Pace of just 100.5 possessions per game.

On top of that, the top players on those teams, like Cousy & Russell, typically played 36+, or even 40+ minutes per game.    Man, the mileage up and down the court those guys put in was nuts!   Most modern players simply don't log those kind of giant minutes and none of the ones who do come close to running up and down the court at such an extreme pace.
While it's nearly impossible to compare era's, mmmmm you make some great points. I do think that the athleticism and depth of today's rosters - and the resulting emphasis on team defense - would in a lot of ways negate the Celtics passing game of that era.  It would have caused a ton of turnovers.  And with players logging the kind of minutes that you've noted, it would have been impossible for teams to defend like they do in today's game. 

But put that team in today's NBA and I'm guessing the passing style would look a lot more like the way the best passing teams do it today. I'd love to hear Heinsohn talk about this in depth as he would be the best person to address it. 

BTW....he could get up and down the floor back then, couldn't he?  :)

 

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