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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2018, 05:48:30 PM »

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The effort is not there for some reason.

Someone posted that Celtics looked like they were still on vacation.

We are one Jason Tatum fall away jumper from being 1-3.

Kyrie is coming back, however.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2018, 05:55:21 PM »

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Yes he IS.

He is not the only one going through a funk.

Considering how long Hayward AND Kyrie will have to get back into game shape AND MESH with JB, Tatum and Big Al we may have to dial back our win total to "ONLY" 55 games..

Also take into consideration that Baynes is out for some time, too. Theis is trying to get his game legs, too.

This TEAM will get it together in a few weeks. Give em' time.

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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #47 on: October 23, 2018, 05:56:57 PM »

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Yes he IS.

He is not the only one going through a funk.

Considering how long Hayward AND Kyrie will have to get back into game shape AND MESH with JB, Tatum and Big Al we may have to dial back our win total to "ONLY" 55 games..

Also take into consideration that Baynes is out for some time, too. Theis is trying to get his game legs, too.

This TEAM will get it together in a few weeks. Give em' time.

This is a jog, not a sprint.


I'd like to see more of Theis and Williams.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #48 on: October 23, 2018, 06:11:31 PM »

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Yes he IS.

He is not the only one going through a funk.

Considering how long Hayward AND Kyrie will have to get back into game shape AND MESH with JB, Tatum and Big Al we may have to dial back our win total to "ONLY" 55 games..

Also take into consideration that Baynes is out for some time, too. Theis is trying to get his game legs, too.

This TEAM will get it together in a few weeks. Give em' time.

This is a jog, not a sprint.

You couldn't be more correct.   Last night the C's were abysmal, abominable... yet, would have put the game into OT if they'd hit 1 of the 2 makeable 3's they put up in their final possession.  C's will get it together -- too much talent not to.   

But I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed in Jaylen in particular -- thought we'd see early signs of advances in his game as we've seen from Jayson.  But no question it's early and Jaylen is adjusting again to a new role -- no longer a go-to scorer as he was in the playoffs.  I think it's best if Jaylen focuses on his defensive skills and take the offense when it presents -- which it will, especially as his teammates get rolling offensively.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2018, 06:19:01 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?
Who said anything about Brown being bust?  And including the playoffs, Fultz has played 20 games in his career.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Except youíre using 4 games to discount Jaylens whole last year and make the claim that heís Ďturning into Jeff Green in front of our eyes.í

If you think 4 recent games is all you need to overrule the last 100 games before that, then why donít you let us know why we canít decide Fultz is a bust after 20 games (5x more games than you used for your hot take), which coincidentally is also his whole career and not 3% of it like your focus on Jaylen.
didn't do that at all.  It is really strange these made up arguments people make.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2018, 06:31:56 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?
Who said anything about Brown being bust?  And including the playoffs, Fultz has played 20 games in his career.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Except you’re using 4 games to discount Jaylens whole last year and make the claim that he’s ‘turning into Jeff Green in front of our eyes.’

If you think 4 recent games is all you need to overrule the last 100 games before that, then why don’t you let us know why we can’t decide Fultz is a bust after 20 games (5x more games than you used for your hot take), which coincidentally is also his whole career and not 3% of it like your focus on Jaylen.
didn't do that at all.  It is really strange these made up arguments people make.

Yeah, it must be the dozen people poking holes in your argument. Definitely not the one rogue opinion that consistently predicts Celtics outcomes poorly, lol.

Tell me then, what was the ‘logic’ behind Brown becoming Jeff Green and what is the timeframe of said ‘logic?’  Because it sure seemed like you used 4 games of evidence.

And i think we can all agree only a basketball rookie would compare per 36 stats of a starter on a 55 win team (who spent 1 year in college) to those of a 3 year college player getting forcefed minutes on a 30-win lottery team. So... what’d I miss?
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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2018, 06:38:18 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?
Who said anything about Brown being bust?  And including the playoffs, Fultz has played 20 games in his career.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Except youíre using 4 games to discount Jaylens whole last year and make the claim that heís Ďturning into Jeff Green in front of our eyes.í

If you think 4 recent games is all you need to overrule the last 100 games before that, then why donít you let us know why we canít decide Fultz is a bust after 20 games (5x more games than you used for your hot take), which coincidentally is also his whole career and not 3% of it like your focus on Jaylen.
didn't do that at all.  It is really strange these made up arguments people make.
Except, yeah, you did. Here is the post

Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2018, 06:47:16 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?
Who said anything about Brown being bust?  And including the playoffs, Fultz has played 20 games in his career.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Except youíre using 4 games to discount Jaylens whole last year and make the claim that heís Ďturning into Jeff Green in front of our eyes.í

If you think 4 recent games is all you need to overrule the last 100 games before that, then why donít you let us know why we canít decide Fultz is a bust after 20 games (5x more games than you used for your hot take), which coincidentally is also his whole career and not 3% of it like your focus on Jaylen.
didn't do that at all.  It is really strange these made up arguments people make.
Except, yeah, you did. Here is the post

Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.
That isn't a comparison based on 4 games.  It is a comparison based on 2 years and 4 games into year 3.  This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.  It is very strange that so many people don't understand simple reading comprehension concepts.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2018, 07:00:26 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?
Who said anything about Brown being bust?  And including the playoffs, Fultz has played 20 games in his career.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Except youíre using 4 games to discount Jaylens whole last year and make the claim that heís Ďturning into Jeff Green in front of our eyes.í

If you think 4 recent games is all you need to overrule the last 100 games before that, then why donít you let us know why we canít decide Fultz is a bust after 20 games (5x more games than you used for your hot take), which coincidentally is also his whole career and not 3% of it like your focus on Jaylen.
didn't do that at all.  It is really strange these made up arguments people make.
Except, yeah, you did. Here is the post

Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.
That isn't a comparison based on 4 games.  It is a comparison based on 2 years and 4 games into year 3.  This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.  It is very strange that so many people don't understand simple reading comprehension concepts.
Or you wrote it out poorly and can't understand why people are misunderstanding what you wrote.

I would suggest reading that post over again and maybe re-explain your position instead of insulting other's reading comprehension, which I shouldn't have to tell you is against site rules.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #54 on: October 23, 2018, 07:07:49 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?
Who said anything about Brown being bust?  And including the playoffs, Fultz has played 20 games in his career.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Except you’re using 4 games to discount Jaylens whole last year and make the claim that he’s ‘turning into Jeff Green in front of our eyes.’

If you think 4 recent games is all you need to overrule the last 100 games before that, then why don’t you let us know why we can’t decide Fultz is a bust after 20 games (5x more games than you used for your hot take), which coincidentally is also his whole career and not 3% of it like your focus on Jaylen.
didn't do that at all.  It is really strange these made up arguments people make.
Except, yeah, you did. Here is the post

Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.
That isn't a comparison based on 4 games.  It is a comparison based on 2 years and 4 games into year 3.  This isn't a difficult concept to grasp.  It is very strange that so many people don't understand simple reading comprehension concepts.

Except comparing the first 2 years makes no sense, since Green played 3 years in college and then got forcefed minutes in a terrible team, and Jaylen played one year in college and put up meaningful stats on 50 win teams. By your logic, we could just as easily say he turned into Kobe last playoffs.

I guess if all you really focus on is comparing numbers, this might be too complicated. 
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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2018, 08:11:31 PM »

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Just 4 games, already 4 games, Brown looks like he is still on vacation

Hayward is getting better every game, Kyrie is getting better at PG and works hard on D, Theis is getting better to his form, Tatum is beasting, AL is saving his legs and Brown is watching games in the corner stand, maybe thinking what to speech next

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2018, 09:13:47 PM »

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Morphing into Jeff Green before our eyes.

Not close.
Promising first two years and then completely leveled off and disappears at key moments.  That is Jeff Green.  So far that is Jaylen Brown.  Brown certainly can turn it around, but 4 games into year 3, he is following the Jeff Green path pretty darn well.

Did Green ever average 18 / 5 / .549 eFG% in the playoffs, falling one game short of the Finals?  All before age 22?
You know as well as I do that the Thunder did not make the playoffs in either of Green's first 2 seasons in the league.

And we've gone through these comparisons before, but here are their first two seasons per 36 (and they had similar roles and minutes).

Year 1
13.8 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.8 t, 3.8 f - 50.7 2PT, 34.1 3PT, 68.5 FT (53.9 TS)
13.4 p, 6.1 r, 1.9 a, 0.7 s, 0.8 b, 2.5 t, 3.2 f - 44.4 2PT, 27.6 3PT, 74.4 FT (49.1 TS)

Year 2
17.0 p, 5.8 r, 1.9 a, 1.2 s, 0.4 b, 2.1 t, 3.0 f - 50.7 2PT, 39.5 3PT, 64.4 FT (56.2 TS)
16.2 p, 6.5 r, 1.9 a, 1.0 s, 0.4 b, 2.2 t, 2.5 f - 46.3 2PT, 38.9 3PT, 78.8 FT (53.6 TS)

Fairly similar numbers in year 1 and year 2 for both them.  Similar jumps in production.  Green leveled off completely and never got any better.  Brown was about a year younger in each season, so he has that going for him and he has been the better shooter. 

I believe Brown will continue to grow because that is what most players do, but Jeff Green did not and he is not the only player that peaked very early in his career.  Couple that with their overall first 2 years numbers being similar.  And like Green, Brown is being squeezed out for better players that weren't around his first couple of seasons and also is arguably being forced to play out of position to accommodate those better players (Durant forced Green to play PF and Russ, Harden, and Ibaka were all added after Green - similarly Hayward/Tatum are forcing Brown to play SG, who along with Irving were all added after Brown joined the team).

Going by your logic does that mean Fultz is a bust after 4 games?
Who said anything about Brown being bust?  And including the playoffs, Fultz has played 20 games in his career.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Except youíre using 4 games to discount Jaylens whole last year and make the claim that heís Ďturning into Jeff Green in front of our eyes.í

If you think 4 recent games is all you need to overrule the last 100 games before that, then why donít you let us know why we canít decide Fultz is a bust after 20 games (5x more games than you used for your hot take), which coincidentally is also his whole career and not 3% of it like your focus on Jaylen.
didn't do that at all.  It is really strange these made up arguments people make.
moranis, i like your posts, but this particular thread is not your best work. maybe let it go here and move on to greener discussions.
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Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2018, 10:51:45 PM »

Offline Bobshot

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Some chemistry problems out there Stevens has to deal with. I don't think Hayward belongs in the starting lineup, for one. He needs a role as a 6th man off the bench on this team. He has never really established a role, being injured so soon.They need a lot more defense and athleticism in that starting 5. Which means more of Brown, Tatum and Rozier. Irving isn't up to his standards yet, either.

They need to put a running, athletic team out there. A young team that can transition quickly and get easy shots. You see four guys on the perimeter passing to each other for a 3 and you fall asleep. I call it lazyball.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2018, 11:34:49 PM »

Offline Chris22

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Some chemistry problems out there Stevens has to deal with. I don't think Hayward belongs in the starting lineup, for one. He needs a role as a 6th man off the bench on this team. He has never really established a role, being injured so soon.They need a lot more defense and athleticism in that starting 5. Which means more of Brown, Tatum and Rozier. Irving isn't up to his standards yet, either.

They need to put a running, athletic team out there. A young team that can transition quickly and get easy shots. You see four guys on the perimeter passing to each other for a 3 and you fall asleep. I call it lazyball.

Hayward as the sixth man, yes. I have been saying this all season.

The second unit needs shooting desperately.

Re: Is Jaylen Brown still a Celtic?
« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2018, 11:36:16 PM »

Offline Ogaju

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will Brad put Gordon on the bench or will Gordon have to volunteer for the role?

 

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