Memphis Grizzlies 2018-2019 Season Watch Thread

[Fafnir]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

[smokeablount]

Memphis will win the next 2 games

Surprised they found a way to lose this one honestly...but with jonas having a sprined ankle certainly hurt them.

Dorsey
Wright
Holiday
JJJ
Jonas

Is a talented hungry team with alot to prove. That pick will get worse the longer is stays with memphis.

Luckily they will still finish 9th and be a salaried asset is a trade for ad.

You've stated a lot of opinions as fact throughout this thread.  I'll bet you $100 that Memphis doesn't win the next 2 games.  Care to put your money where your mouth is?

betting is moronic. so No.

I will be shocked if they lose those either of those 2 games. They want to win both those games, losing Jonas to injury hurts them alot, but they will leave everything on the court.

If you disagree, perhaps substantiate your claims instead of trying to goad me into a `bet`

For you, yes, it would be.

[Silky]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

I did not think it was at all possible for the team to sign players then flip them over to the pels.

[Moranis]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

I did not think it was at all possible for the team to sign players then flip them over to the pels.

30 days after you sign a draft pick you can trade them.  The most recent higher profile such trade was Love to the Cavs involving Wiggins.

[keevsnick]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

To build on this, between picks 14, 20 and 22 at the 120% f the rook scale would be around 8.5 Million in salary. Tatum, Yabu, Williams would come out to almost 13. So already you are right at or juts shy of the 21.6 you would need to trade for Davis. The extra money this pick provides for cap filler is worth almost nothing in a trade, we just dont need it to make it work. And that assuming we having enough in the trade without Brown or Smart to get it done anyway, this pick conveying this year loses value and actually makes it MORE likely we have to include Brown or Smart to make up that value.

[keevsnick]

Memphis will win the next 2 games

Surprised they found a way to lose this one honestly...but with jonas having a sprined ankle certainly hurt them.

Dorsey
Wright
Holiday
JJJ
Jonas

Is a talented hungry team with alot to prove. That pick will get worse the longer is stays with memphis.

Luckily they will still finish 9th and be a salaried asset is a trade for ad.

You've stated a lot of opinions as fact throughout this thread.  I'll bet you $100 that Memphis doesn't win the next 2 games.  Care to put your money where your mouth is?

betting is moronic. so No.

I will be shocked if they lose those either of those 2 games. They want to win both those games, losing Jonas to injury hurts them alot, but they will leave everything on the court.

If you disagree, perhaps substantiate your claims instead of trying to goad me into a `bet`

Well man they just lost to Dallas at home  who is trying more than just about anybody in the league to lose right now. I don't think it would be shocking to lose on the road against Detroit who is fighting for their playoff lives.

[Moranis]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

To build on this, between picks 14, 20 and 22 at the 120% f the rook scale would be around 8.5 Million in salary. Tatum, Yabu, Williams would come out to almost 13. So already you are right at or juts shy of the 21.6 you would need to trade for Davis. The extra money this pick provides for cap filler is worth almost nothing in a trade, we just dont need it to make it work. And that assuming we having enough in the trade without Brown or Smart to get it done anyway, this pick conveying this year loses value and actually makes it MORE likely we have to include Brown or Smart to make up that value.

only if New Orleans thinks it has less value, which contrary to you assertions in this thread is far from a given.

[Sophomore]

Seems really complicated for the Cs to come to an agreement re four players we are going to pick for the Pels on draft day, then ink a trade for AD a month later. And, do they really want four picks, all signed for 120% of rookie scale? Would be a really strange trade; wonder if anything like it has happened before.

Sadly, I’m getting used to the idea that Smart or Brown might be included just to make the salaries work.

[keevsnick]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

To build on this, between picks 14, 20 and 22 at the 120% f the rook scale would be around 8.5 Million in salary. Tatum, Yabu, Williams would come out to almost 13. So already you are right at or juts shy of the 21.6 you would need to trade for Davis. The extra money this pick provides for cap filler is worth almost nothing in a trade, we just dont need it to make it work. And that assuming we having enough in the trade without Brown or Smart to get it done anyway, this pick conveying this year loses value and actually makes it MORE likely we have to include Brown or Smart to make up that value.

only if New Orleans thinks it has less value, which contrary to you assertions in this thread is far from a given.

Fair enough. I know that MEM does want it to convey, and BOS does not. I would think if it where more valuable at 9 BOS would want it to convey. So I'm pretty confident in that assertion.

[Silky]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

I did not think it was at all possible for the team to sign players then flip them over to the pels.

30 days after you sign a draft pick you can trade them.  The most recent higher profile such trade was Love to the Cavs involving Wiggins.

Yes, but Fafnir was suggesting signing non draft picks and including them in the trade, I thought it was a 3 month wait in order to include trading a newly signed player with any other salaries.

Unless structured as some sort of sign and trade, which then would bring a new set of rules into affect.

[kraidstar]

We could use our taxpayer mid level exception to sign a second round pick or an undrafted rookie to a large one-year deal and then trade their salary after 30 days to match salaries. We should be keeping our second rounder because it is protected #31-55.

According to this CBA guide, "second round picks do not have any specific salary restrictions. They may sign for any amount from the minimum to the maximum...it is not uncommon for teams to use a portion of their Mid-Level exception in order to sign the player for three seasons."

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q82

So I'm pretty sure we can use the full $5.6MLE to sign a rookie and then trade him a month later.

We can also exercise Semi's team option for $1.6M and add him to a trade. So our MLE + Semi adds an additional $7.2 in matching salary.

[Fafnir]

Unless structured as some sort of sign and trade, which then would bring a new set of rules into affect.

There is a three month wait but that isn't prohibitive given that they could be signed at a date where the three months would line up when a potential draft picks 30 day wait period would occur. (you can sign players during the playoffs or after they are over)

The rockets method of trading for a bunch of minimum deals to leverage the aggregate creatively is the other option to add salary ballast.

[Moranis]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

To build on this, between picks 14, 20 and 22 at the 120% f the rook scale would be around 8.5 Million in salary. Tatum, Yabu, Williams would come out to almost 13. So already you are right at or juts shy of the 21.6 you would need to trade for Davis. The extra money this pick provides for cap filler is worth almost nothing in a trade, we just dont need it to make it work. And that assuming we having enough in the trade without Brown or Smart to get it done anyway, this pick conveying this year loses value and actually makes it MORE likely we have to include Brown or Smart to make up that value.

only if New Orleans thinks it has less value, which contrary to you assertions in this thread is far from a given.

Fair enough. I know that MEM does want it to convey, and BOS does not. I would think if it where more valuable at 9 BOS would want it to convey. So I'm pretty confident in that assertion.

How do you know Boston doesn't want it to convey?  And Memphis wanting it to convey doesn't mean what you think it means.

[Silky]

Unless structured as some sort of sign and trade, which then would bring a new set of rules into affect.

There is a three month wait but that isn't prohibitive given that they could be signed at a date where the three months would line up when a potential draft picks 30 day wait period would occur. (you can sign players during the playoffs or after they are over)

The rockets method of trading for a bunch of minimum deals to leverage the aggregate creatively is the other option to add salary ballast.

That would need to happen within the next 2 weeks...ish...

And I dont see anything on the market that is a good player enough for Pelicans to actually want.

[kraidstar]

Its not that the expected value of the pick is much greater next year rather than this year. Its that it has potential they can sell AND it gives the C's asset diversity.

They already have 3 picks this draft, better to have another in the next two years than a fourth pick this year. Both if they end up keeping it or in a trade.

For Bostons sake, it is better to have it parlay now. (talking Davis Trade here)

That pick signed at 120% equals about 3.7 mill in salary.

Add that to pick 14 and 20 and we are talking a little over 9 mill in salary.

Add that to Yabusele and tatum and now we are close enough that a trade for a non trade kicker Davis works.

Basically that picks salary saves having trade 1 of Brown or Smart....OR.... it saves the financial headache of finding a way to work a Rozier s&T with a third team to protect those 2 assets.

Basically for Boston that 9th pick equals keeping Brown and Smart as opposed to losing 1 of them.

As an aside your numbers are for this year's rookie scale, next years are different. (about 20% higher)

You are wrong about the pick not conveying meaning that Brown/Smart has to be in the deal for salary purposes. The C's can do what Houston did and sign a bunch of small salaried players, or just sign one player to a bigger deal to make the gap up. If those players are in the deal its because NOP wanted them.

Boston's front office who is much more familiar with the salary math than either you or I would greatly prefer the pick NOT convey this year. This is based on multiple sourced beat reporters and national guys. (Himmelsbach/Lowe/etc)

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

If the pick is more valuable rolled over, then they can potentially include less talent and more salary make weight in any potential deal.

To build on this, between picks 14, 20 and 22 at the 120% f the rook scale would be around 8.5 Million in salary. Tatum, Yabu, Williams would come out to almost 13. So already you are right at or juts shy of the 21.6 you would need to trade for Davis. The extra money this pick provides for cap filler is worth almost nothing in a trade, we just dont need it to make it work. And that assuming we having enough in the trade without Brown or Smart to get it done anyway, this pick conveying this year loses value and actually makes it MORE likely we have to include Brown or Smart to make up that value.

only if New Orleans thinks it has less value, which contrary to you assertions in this thread is far from a given.

Fair enough. I know that MEM does want it to convey, and BOS does not. I would think if it where more valuable at 9 BOS would want it to convey. So I'm pretty confident in that assertion.

How do you know Boston doesn't want it to convey?  And Memphis wanting it to convey doesn't mean what you think it means.

Adam Himmelsbach seems to think the C's strongly do NOT want it to convey.

"We’ve know for a while that the Celtics don’t want the Grizzlies’ pick to convey, but I was a little unsure about how badly, because the No. 9 overall pick would still be a trade chip. But a Cs source tonight said they *really* don’t want it this year."

https://twitter.com/AdamHimmelsbach/status/1115108868311457794

Whether or not this is misdirection by Ainge, who knows.

Himmelsbach also thinks the Warriors should tank against the Grizz on Tuesday to help the pick convey, as we would be their top threat if we land AD.