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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3210 on: June 10, 2019, 11:54:29 PM »

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I also wonder if the Capela rumor has anything to do with this. I could see NOLA being interested in Capela as both a longer term prospect that can fit with their group long-term, while also helping them stay competitive right now.


That's interesting -- I hadn't thought of the possibility that Boston could try to trade for Capela and reroute him to New Orleans as part of a deal for Davis.


How could that work though?  They can't trade Horford before the opt-in date.  I doubt Houston would be interested in receiving Hayward for Capela.  Not sure how else the Celts could make the money work.


Smart and Brown for Capela works.


But then you'd be giving up Tatum, Smart AND Brown just to get Davis.  Plus a couple of 1st round picks.

That's an enormous price to pay.



If Griffin were able to get Capela, Tatum, and two 1st round picks for Davis .... that would be an absolutely monumental haul for a star with one year left on his deal who has actively demanded a trade.

So, been thinking a lot about how this might work. There's several different options that could work from a money perspective, though all of them require losing Horford and Tatum to get AD. These would all likely require an agreement with Klutch that we would give Morris a sizable contract, something like 4 years/$50M, which would help with facilitating AD here and could help convince him to stay here long-term (given the shared agent relationship). Reloading in this fashion could also help convince Kyrie to re-sign, as it would surround him with competent vets that would allow him to compete for a title right now, in addition to keeping significant long-term talent.

Option 1 (ideal):

Boston: Davis, Gordon

NOLA: Capela, Tatum, Yabusele, Hartenstein, draft compensation (probably one of our picks from this draft)

Houston: Horford, Moore

Convince Kyrie to resign on a max contract

Resign Morris to something like a 4 year/$50 Million contract

That leaves you with a really good veteran team right now that also keeps your young talent of Brown, Smart, Williams, the Memphis pick, and two of our picks in this draft, along with all of our own. You get left with a lineup of:

PG: Kyrie, Smart, Wanamaker
SG: Brown, Gordon
SF: Hayward, Semi
PF: Morris, Theis
C: Davis, Baynes, Williams

If you can sign like an Ariza/Temple/Dudley type for the three spot off the bench and get a couple of ready-now contributors in the draft (hopefully a big three/stretch four type), that's a really nice lineup that can both win now and still have a bright future with young talent and draft picks. This grouping also seemingly fits quite a bit better than last year's team and has more of an inside/out offensive ability, while still having quite a bit of shooting and being super switchable defensively.

Option 2 (less ideal):

For option 2 you would just substitute Gordon for Tucker and remove Yabusele, Moore, and Hartenstein from the equation. This is less ideal, but still a workable option.

Now the question is this - would it be worth it to lose Al along with Tatum to get AD and Gordon, in addition to keeping Brown, Smart, and the Memphis pick? If you could convince Kyrie to stay with that lineup, I think it could be worth it. But that's ultimately the question - would it convince Kyrie?

EDIT: Also, it should be remembered that if we don't trade for AD and/or re-sign Kyrie, we likely lose Horford anyways for greener pastures with a better chance at a title. The likely best-case scenario would be a sign-and-trade for something like  Capela anyways, as I doubt that Horford resigns here long-term if we don't nab AD or re-sign Kyrie.
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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3211 on: June 11, 2019, 12:17:42 AM »

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Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event in Brooklyn, league sources said. This gives the Pelicans a chance to meet and more closely examine draft candidates slotted in the vicinity of picks potentially traded to New Orleans.

The Knicks and Lakers hold the Nos. 3 and 4 picks in this month's draft, respectively, and those are prime trade assets for the Pelicans to consider.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3212 on: June 11, 2019, 01:48:41 AM »

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Hearing from Shams that it's down to between Lakers and Knicks for Anthony Davis.  :(


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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3213 on: June 11, 2019, 01:49:33 AM »

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Hearing from Shams that it's down to between Lakers and Knicks for Anthony Davis.  :(
[dang]! Link?
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3214 on: June 11, 2019, 01:52:59 AM »

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Hearing from Shams that it's down to between Lakers and Knicks for Anthony Davis.  :(
[dang]! Link?
Not really new, said Davis still identifying those two as his preferred long term targets, NOT that the Pelicans have narrowed it down to those two.

Remember Kawhi made a similar assertion and ended up in Toronto

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1138201304768110597?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3215 on: June 11, 2019, 01:55:09 AM »

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Hearing from Shams that it's down to between Lakers and Knicks for Anthony Davis.  :(
[dang]! Link?
Not really new, said Davis still identifying those two as his preferred long term targets, NOT that the Pelicans have narrowed it down to those two.

Remember Kawhi made a similar assertion and ended up in Toronto

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1138201304768110597?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Oh okay, gotcha. I'd seen that, but thought Shams might've come out with something regarding what Griffin had implied or something similar.

As long as Paul George plays for the OKC Thunder I'll remain hopeful!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3216 on: June 11, 2019, 02:55:57 AM »

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Hearing from Shams that it's down to between Lakers and Knicks for Anthony Davis.  :(
[dang]! Link?
Not really new, said Davis still identifying those two as his preferred long term targets, NOT that the Pelicans have narrowed it down to those two.

Remember Kawhi made a similar assertion and ended up in Toronto

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1138201304768110597?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Oh okay, gotcha. I'd seen that, but thought Shams might've come out with something regarding what Griffin had implied or something similar.

As long as Paul George plays for the OKC Thunder I'll remain hopeful!

"The Lakers are the 'leader in the clubhouse' to acquire Anthony Davis in a multi-team deal, per Adrian Wojnarowski."

Whatever that means  :-X


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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3217 on: June 11, 2019, 02:58:04 AM »

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Hearing from Shams that it's down to between Lakers and Knicks for Anthony Davis.  :(
[dang]! Link?
Not really new, said Davis still identifying those two as his preferred long term targets, NOT that the Pelicans have narrowed it down to those two.

Remember Kawhi made a similar assertion and ended up in Toronto

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1138201304768110597?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Oh okay, gotcha. I'd seen that, but thought Shams might've come out with something regarding what Griffin had implied or something similar.

As long as Paul George plays for the OKC Thunder I'll remain hopeful!

"The Lakers are the 'leader in the clubhouse' to acquire Anthony Davis in a multi-team deal, per Adrian Wojnarowski."

Whatever that means  :-X
I'd be pretty surprised if Griffin really values LA's damaged goods and it's #4 pick in a 3 player draft that highly, but we'll see. Just want this all to be over at this stage
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3218 on: June 11, 2019, 03:29:39 AM »

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Hearing from Shams that it's down to between Lakers and Knicks for Anthony Davis.  :(
[dang]! Link?
Not really new, said Davis still identifying those two as his preferred long term targets, NOT that the Pelicans have narrowed it down to those two.

Remember Kawhi made a similar assertion and ended up in Toronto

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1138201304768110597?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Oh okay, gotcha. I'd seen that, but thought Shams might've come out with something regarding what Griffin had implied or something similar.

As long as Paul George plays for the OKC Thunder I'll remain hopeful!

"The Lakers are the 'leader in the clubhouse' to acquire Anthony Davis in a multi-team deal, per Adrian Wojnarowski."

Whatever that means  :-X
I'd be pretty surprised if Griffin really values LA's damaged goods and it's #4 pick in a 3 player draft that highly, but we'll see. Just want this all to be over at this stage

I’m just ready for this crap to be over.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3219 on: June 11, 2019, 06:21:18 AM »

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Shams saying the Cs are going hard after AD regardless of Kyrie or AD’s commitment. This is classic DA anything less shouldn’t surprise anyone. KG, attempts at CP3, etc.

If we lose out it’s not because DA didn’t try... that said if Kyrie leaves and AD leaves next year, at least the Pels will be fun to watch.

Go for it.  Even if Davis leaves next year we’ll have Brown and maybe the Grizzlies pick, and if you want trade Hayward, Horford ect for young assets to go for a rebuild.  Not too often you get a chance for the best big man in the game.  Have Davis spend some time with KG and Bill Russell.

that is nuts.
It really isn’t. You need to swing for the fences for super stars. Cs are likely late lottery fodder otherwise. So you’d be rebuilding regardless.

Late lottery after davis leaves?

Or late lottery if they do nit trade for him at all?

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3220 on: June 11, 2019, 06:30:18 AM »

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i really hope team does not trade for Davis.

I firmly believe, as great as he is he cannot bring a championship here with what would be left after the deal. And then he probably runs in offseason.

Just build around the jays.
You have horford and hayward as assets to work with and multiple picks to work with. Can easily work with that.

Get a good young pg to play behind Smart.
Get a good young pf to play behind Horford.
Sign a vet wing who can help teach and groom the jays
Sign a solid center to let horford play pf. The baynes signing a couple seasons ago was a perfect example of what a solid bigman can do for the team.

ie: sign vince carter, sign Dedmon, draft NAW, draft Samanic, draft thybulle or okpala or langford.

Done. Screw Davis and Screw Kyrie.

Smart/NAW/Wannamaker
Brown/Carter/draft
Tatum/Hayward/Semi
Horford/Samanic/Yabu
Dedmon/Baynes/Williams

That team is easily a secind round threat based on no internal improvement. If the jays and hayward all improve they are contenders in the east finals based upon free agency.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3221 on: June 11, 2019, 08:44:05 AM »

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i really hope team does not trade for Davis.

I firmly believe, as great as he is he cannot bring a championship here with what would be left after the deal. And then he probably runs in offseason.

Just build around the jays.
You have horford and hayward as assets to work with and multiple picks to work with. Can easily work with that.

Get a good young pg to play behind Smart.
Get a good young pf to play behind Horford.
Sign a vet wing who can help teach and groom the jays
Sign a solid center to let horford play pf. The baynes signing a couple seasons ago was a perfect example of what a solid bigman can do for the team.

ie: sign vince carter, sign Dedmon, draft NAW, draft Samanic, draft thybulle or okpala or langford.

Done. Screw Davis and Screw Kyrie.

Smart/NAW/Wannamaker
Brown/Carter/draft
Tatum/Hayward/Semi
Horford/Samanic/Yabu
Dedmon/Baynes/Williams

That team is easily a secind round threat based on no internal improvement. If the jays and hayward all improve they are contenders in the east finals based upon free agency.
i am kind of on the same wagon with you. I would find a way to start Hayward, much like this year, and if he still shows massive loopside performances, try to trade him by the all star deadline.

I love dedmon, and i am really high on the step forward marcus has made offensively and jaylen an even bigger one on defense.

we would still have a lot of cap space, potentially attract a big name, still young, and guess what, we would still be in the coversation for the title contenders.
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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3222 on: June 11, 2019, 08:59:40 AM »

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Here’s a question - if we trade for Davis will the cynical fans among us cheer for him in earnest and make an effort to support him and have him feel the love, or turn on him at the first signs of doubt?
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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3223 on: June 11, 2019, 09:00:44 AM »

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Here’s a question - if we trade for Davis will the cynical fans among us cheer for him in earnest and make an effort to support him and have him feel the love, or turn on him at the first signs of doubt?
Yes.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(latest rumor page 202)
« Reply #3224 on: June 11, 2019, 09:07:01 AM »

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I don't buy the Knicks interest.  I think he wants to go to LA.  He owns a house out there (which is not the game changer some believe it to be as most other NBA players live there in the offseason) but I think I heard somewhere he has a son and he lives out there.  Not sure. 

Saying NY and LA implies his interest is in big markets.  Maybe they throw that out there to deter smaller market teams from taking a chance on him and limiting New Orleans' options.

Problem with LA (which I'm sure has been mentioned here) is that they can't just punt this season again with Lebron being 35 years old.  They'd have to spend that money on someone and then they're out as a potential destination next year.