Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Chief Macho]

Who is Steve Kyler?  Is he legit?

sort of. he was just taking twitter questions.


Lonzo and the pick for Beal and Walls contract might appeal to Dc fans around here.  theyre stuck.

[rollie mass]

A potential one year rental ,We have seen what happened to Hayward and Isaiah now Durant.Almost  forgot Cousins.
Youth and draft choices with length
.Kyrie back and Davis for a year is not prudent .It would be better to have Capella.
Kyrie has shown nothing but disdain, a diva not a leader.
There will be another deal move on please Danny.

[nickagneta]

Who is Steve Kyler?  Is he legit?

No. D-level NBA guy, similar to someone like Keith Smith.

I literally can’t find this anywhere else besides Kyler, which should tell you all you need to know.

Guy was a webmaster that got his start at Hoopshype, I think. Then opened his own site called Basketball Insiders and now pretends to be an actual basketball inside without actually having any, you know, actual inside information or connections.

[gift]

Not sure I'd put a ton of stock into any rumors involving Washington. Wouldn't they wait to fill the GM spot before making big moves? Unless they are getting rid of Wall, in which case, you've just found your new GM. Hire the guy who got rid of Wall's contract.

[RJ87]

I like this one,  although it's not anything seriously reported.   


@stevekylerNBA there are rumors swirling of AD to LA. Beal, BI, Hart, Future 1st to NO. Zo and 4th pick to WAS

the 4th and Lonzo Ball for Beal?

Thats would be a gross steal

And Beal is in the exact same contract situation. Makes no sense for NOLA other than fulfilling their need for a current All-Star

[BitterJim]

ESPN says AD had a new list and we aren't on it.

That list aside, I'd be shocked if AD is a Celtic next year. There's nothing to indicate he wants to be here, and Ainge would have to make a massive gamble on the hope of convincing him.

At this point, I would still be willing to take the gamble since it is AD. The other thing that isn't talked about nearly enough is that these two teams may very well use up their cap space this summer and would be unable to sign him next summer. It made perfect sense for AD to try and force his way to LAL during the past deadline - it would have given him two postseasons to contend with Lebron. But Lebron is only getting older, how does LAL not sign a guy like Butler if he wants to sign?

Twice the guy has had lists of where he wants to play, neither time he lists the Celtics. It would be GM malpractice for Ainge to risk Tatum in this scenario.

Let’s be real - the dude, and I mean Rich Pau... err Davis, has had like five supposed lists that change as often as I change my underwear. Hell, Davis himself said on tv that he didn’t have any lists of teams other than the 29 non-NOLA teams!

Don’t buy into all the obviously planted rumors in silly season. They’re trying to discourage smaller market teams from attempting to trade for him, and it’s a last ditch effort to pair him with Lebron and not waste another year, as it’s very likely that LAL ends up losing their cap space this summer and may not have room for him next year, let alone the whole Lebron rapidly aging thing maybe giving Davis second thoughts about LA in 2020.

You’d think people would realize this same pattern that happens every summer with every big name star free agent or trade candidate, especially after the PG situation last year. It’s the same ole LA/NY NBA exceptionalism that is repeated every summer.

I couldn't agree more (although I think you should change your underwear more often)

There's obviously a risk that Davis wouldn't stay with us, but if Danny thinks there's a good chance that he convinces AD to stay (and bakes the chance he leaves into the price he's willing to pay) then he should go for it

[jpotter33]

I like this one,  although it's not anything seriously reported.   


@stevekylerNBA there are rumors swirling of AD to LA. Beal, BI, Hart, Future 1st to NO. Zo and 4th pick to WAS

the 4th and Lonzo Ball for Beal?

Thats would be a gross steal

And Beal is in the exact same contract situation. Makes no sense for NOLA other than fulfilling their need for a current All-Star

You’re on fire today, RJ. This is another good catch and likely a significant deterrent to NOLA wanting Beal.

Though it does look like Beal doesn’t have the final year player option like AD, which would give them another year of control over him. But still, would you want to risk your major asset in an AD trade leaving after two years? I’d much prefer to have a Tatum or Barrett with 7-9 years of control than Beal for two years and have to go through this whole scenario again with him.

[RJ87]

I like this one,  although it's not anything seriously reported.   


@stevekylerNBA there are rumors swirling of AD to LA. Beal, BI, Hart, Future 1st to NO. Zo and 4th pick to WAS

the 4th and Lonzo Ball for Beal?

Thats would be a gross steal

And Beal is in the exact same contract situation. Makes no sense for NOLA other than fulfilling their need for a current All-Star

You’re on fire today, RJ. This is another good catch and likely a significant deterrent to NOLA wanting Beal.

Though it does look like Beal doesn’t have the final year player option like AD, which would give them another year of control over him. But still, would you want to risk your major asset in an AD trade leaving after two years? I’d much prefer to have a Tatum or Barrett with 7-9 years of control than Beal for two years and have to go through this whole scenario again with him.

I thought he did have the PO, couldn't confirm online so you're probably right. Still, the extra year is just delaying the inevitable. Griffin is a smarter GM than that.

[Stig]

Can we use two first round picks plus Rozier sign and trade to get Beal? Maybe add Williams and some 2nd round picks? Then use Beal, Tatum, 2 other first round picks to get AD.

[Stig]

Or somehow do this in a 3 way trade, can sign and trade even be used in a 3way trade?

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Can we wait til a Steve Kyler theory actually comes to fruition. He makes a lot of claims and hasn’t proved anything yet. The whole Capela thing came 100% from Him and there were hundreds of reports that just referred back to him.

[PhoSita]

I share your concerns.  I'm not excited about the idea of giving up the farm to try and pair Kyrie and Davis.  I would not be confident that Davis would stay in that scenario.


Just to play devil's advocate, though, here's a list of all the players who made All-NBA this season, with the year that they will enter Unrestricted Free Agency and the age they will be in that year:

Curry (2022, age 34)
Harden (2023, age 34)
Giannis (2021, age 26)
George (2022, age 32)
Jokic (2023, age 28)
Lillard (2021, age 31)
Kyrie (2019, age 27)
Durant (2019, age 31)
Kawhi (2019, age 28)
Embiid (2023, age 28)
Kemba (2019, age 29)
Westbrook (2023, age 34)
Griffin (2022, age 33)
LeBron (2022, age 37)
Gobert (2021, age 29)



Setting aside the 2019 names, Giannis and Rudy Gobert are the only guys on this list entering UFA under age 30 in the next couple of years.


Does anybody think that the Bucks are going to look to trade Giannis next summer?  Assuming they won't, do you think he's going to look at Boston in free agency in 2021? 


I think it's fair to say that Rudy Gobert isn't a guy who by himself makes a good team into a contender.  I don't think he's the answer, even if we assume he could be available in a year.



The bottom line, I think, is that if you are hoping for the Celts to add a MVP caliber player via trade or free agency, that player is either somebody who is nowhere close to playing at that level right now or is a guy who hasn't entered the league yet.



All of this is why I think Ainge is going to be aggressive and take risks this summer.

[Phantom255x]

Steve Kyler is sure making a name for himself this offseason.. proving even more-so how irrelevant he really is   

[footey]

ESPN says AD had a new list and we aren't on it.

That list aside, I'd be shocked if AD is a Celtic next year. There's nothing to indicate he wants to be here, and Ainge would have to make a massive gamble on the hope of convincing him.

At this point, I would still be willing to take the gamble since it is AD. The other thing that isn't talked about nearly enough is that these two teams may very well use up their cap space this summer and would be unable to sign him next summer. It made perfect sense for AD to try and force his way to LAL during the past deadline - it would have given him two postseasons to contend with Lebron. But Lebron is only getting older, how does LAL not sign a guy like Butler if he wants to sign?

Twice the guy has had lists of where he wants to play, neither time he lists the Celtics. It would be GM malpractice for Ainge to risk Tatum in this scenario.

Let’s be real - the dude, and I mean Rich Pau... err Davis, has had like five supposed lists that change as often as I change my underwear. Hell, Davis himself said on tv that he didn’t have any lists of teams other than the 29 non-NOLA teams!

Don’t buy into all the obviously planted rumors in silly season. They’re trying to discourage smaller market teams from attempting to trade for him, and it’s a last ditch effort to pair him with Lebron and not waste another year, as it’s very likely that LAL ends up losing their cap space this summer and may not have room for him next year, let alone the whole Lebron rapidly aging thing maybe giving Davis second thoughts about LA in 2020.

You’d think people would realize this same pattern that happens every summer with every big name star free agent or trade candidate, especially after the PG situation last year. It’s the same ole LA/NY NBA exceptionalism that is repeated every summer.

Good. And I hope it backfires on them again like in Feb.

[ETNCeltics]

lol AD is telling everyone who'll listen he doesn't want to come to Boston, but some fans are so desperate they're still willing to throw Tatum away based on Paul George. Because hey, there was this one time where I guy stayed instead of going home.

Zero chance AD comes to Boston. I'm sure WinEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. or Kyler or someone will throw the possibility out there in the next week and a half, but it ain't happening. Ainge would get fleeced nearly as bad as he did to Brooklyn. There's no way Ainge gets beat that badly in a trade.