Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[Fafnir]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

This is interesting, because this is what a third hand sources here?  From Griffin to other teams to Woj?  Obviously Woj is credible (though not perfect), but we heard first hand from Griffin back in January that if he were the Pelicans GM he'd ask for: 1 young player that projected to be a star, draft picks, and an elite role player.

So is this a game of telephone, and the asking price is getting muddled as the message is getting passed along?

Did Griffin change his asking price?  Maybe this is what ownership is telling Griffin to get?

As an analyst that's what he said he'd be looking to get as the NOP GM. That's the end of the process.

Now that he's in the position, he's asking for more in the initial conversations. Just setting the stage for when he has to settle for less as is the nature of distressed player trades.

[ETNCeltics]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

you act as ad walking next summer wouldnt ruin the celtics completely and probably lose danny and his front office their jobs.   this isnt some small risk.. its reckless behavior that would essentially break everything theyve built.

Yes, the trade for Davis at any cost crowd has no foresight whatsoever.

We're talking about likely falling to the bottom of the league and totally starting over after one year of (maybe) contending with Davis. There's no indication he wants to be here long-term, especially since we won't have an established young star to pair him with.

[Bobshot]

I can see this all turning into a massive deal when its all said and done.



http://tradenba.com/trades/HJmP9f2AN


 

So the Celtics get AD and Richardson for Hayward and Tatum? Maybe the Yankees could pull that off, but not the Celtics. LOL.

[PhoSita]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

you act as ad walking next summer wouldnt ruin the celtics completely and probably lose danny and his front office their jobs.   this isnt some small risk.. its reckless behavior that would essentially break everything theyve built.

Yes, the trade for Davis at any cost crowd has no foresight whatsoever.

We're talking about likely falling to the bottom of the league and totally starting over after one year of (maybe) contending with Davis. There's no indication he wants to be here long-term, especially since we won't have an established young star to pair him with.

It's super frustrating how these days on this board anytime you suggest something might happen or is likely to happen people assume you're advocating in favor of it.

[celticsclay]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

Agree, and I endorse it. PG is the deepest position in the league. AD is a franchise, all-NBA, MVP-level player.

I trust Danny, but if he goes all-in to get AD, he better have a plan to upgrade the supporting cast around him.

Terry Rozier, Gordon Hayward, Marcus Morris, and Al Horford is not going to be enough to contend with AD.  To keep AD they're going to have to be really good.  Good enough to compete for the title.

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

Yea if Hayward was playing at an all-star level, him Davis Horford and Brown is definitely a contender (with a few bench players and pg like rubio)

[PhoSita]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

[celticsclay]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

This demand makes it a lot harder than I thought. If he wants someone who is already an all star then the Celtics might be in a pickle unless they want Hayward/Tatum. Even if we reach to a 3rd team we would still be getting rid of 1 of Smart or Hayward but I really don’t know what All-Star he’s looking to get.

I can see the Lakers being hard to beat if he wants a3rd team. The Lakers can flip that 4th Pick and BI for an older All-Star quicker than we can.

[NKY fan]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

[jpotter33]

This demand makes it a lot harder than I thought. If he wants someone who is already an all star then the Celtics might be in a pickle unless they want Hayward/Tatum. Even if we reach to a 3rd team we would still be getting rid of 1 of Smart or Hayward but I really don’t know what All-Star he’s looking to get.

I can see the Lakers being hard to beat if he wants a3rd team. The Lakers can flip that 4th Pick and BI for an older All-Star quicker than we can.

It’s a bargaining tactic - no more. He’s absolutely not getting anywhere close to that kind of package for AD given the context of his trade request and contract situation. Griffin is just doing what he’s supposed to do to maximize his package for AD, even by making demands that are clearly not going to happen. It’s bargaining 101.

[Silky]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Maybe the best front court. Depends on how other teams shape up, and if Hayward can return to at least 80% of Utah Gordon Hayward. (Has Hayward ever played effectively off of someone who is as high a usage as Davis?)

if they all stay together, Kawhi/Siakam and Gasol is better.

But Rubio, Beverly and brown is a weak backcourt.

[NKY fan]

This demand makes it a lot harder than I thought. If he wants someone who is already an all star then the Celtics might be in a pickle unless they want Hayward/Tatum. Even if we reach to a 3rd team we would still be getting rid of 1 of Smart or Hayward but I really don’t know what All-Star he’s looking to get.

I can see the Lakers being hard to beat if he wants a3rd team. The Lakers can flip that 4th Pick and BI for an older All-Star quicker than we can.

I don’t understand why we have to top lakers offer.. lakers maximum offer is the ceiling of what is needed to get Davis.
The lakers have to offer more than other teams. The clips have to offer more than an east coast team. We are mainly competing with the knicks if Danny is determined to trade for Davis. Nets are less likely to complete a trade because they would need russels approval for a S&T

[jpotter33]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

[RazzelnoDazzel]

This demand makes it a lot harder than I thought. If he wants someone who is already an all star then the Celtics might be in a pickle unless they want Hayward/Tatum. Even if we reach to a 3rd team we would still be getting rid of 1 of Smart or Hayward but I really don’t know what All-Star he’s looking to get.

I can see the Lakers being hard to beat if he wants a3rd team. The Lakers can flip that 4th Pick and BI for an older All-Star quicker than we can.

It’s a bargaining tactic - no more. He’s absolutely not getting anywhere close to that kind of package for AD given the context of his trade request and contract situation. Griffin is just doing what he’s supposed to do to maximize his package for AD, even by making demands that are clearly not going to happen. It’s bargaining 101.

Understood because there aren’t many All-Stars we can help the Pels get. Maybe Demar Derozen and Chris Paul would legit be the only All-Stars we could help them get with our assets.

But Lakers could shake lose some players who normally wouldn’t be available with their young Talent. The difference between the Lakers and the Celtics is the Lakers don’t want ANY of their young Talent whilst the Celtics need at least 1 of them. This is why the Lakers could offer #4 pick Ingram and Ball for Beal and trade Beal, Kuzma, future pick to Pels for AD..

This is why Lakers are dangerous according to the Demands of Griffin.

[nickagneta]

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

I very much hope that Ainge won't trade all three of those guys to get AD.


As for whether the team you mentioned would be enough to contend, I disagree.

I just don't believe a team can be a serious contender for the title with a mediocre starting backcourt. 


On top of having an average-at-best lead ballhandler, that team would need either Hayward or Brown to turn into a legitimate second scoring option from the perimeter.  The Utah version of Hayward probably counts.  Is he going to get back to that level next season?

Horford, Davis and Hayward would be best frontcourt in league right? I think Rubio/Beverly and Brown is not a terrible backcourt.

Kawhi Siakam Ibaka and Gasol will have a field day against that front court. Philly destroy them too

Craziness.

We handled Philly this year with a front court rotation of Horford, Baynes, Morris, Tatum, and Theis, but somehow keeping most of those pieces sans Tatum and maybe Morris and replacing them with a top- 5 player is going to change that?? Get real.

As for Toronto, again we played them even this year but somehow by significantly improving the front court we’ll get worse?? 

100% agree jp. TP4U. Could not have said it better myself(well, maybe without the "Get real"😏).