Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[gift]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

That seems like Smart, Tatum, Memphis, and another 1st.  Tatum and the Memphis pick are better than the baseline such that they make up for Smart falling short of his prong.

It does seem like he's aiming just north of what Boston is likely to offer.

Of course he is.   You always aim high because gravity is going to pull it back down.

Yeah I know. I'm just saying I think it's likely that Boston's package will appeal to him given he's right in the neighborhood on his opening ask.

[PhoSita]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

That seems like Smart, Tatum, Memphis, and another 1st.  Tatum and the Memphis pick are better than the baseline such that they make up for Smart falling short of his prong.

To me, it sounds like the "ask" is for Boston's best offer plus an established All-Star.

There's just no way they're getting close to that.


More likely, Griffin will be able to get EITHER an established All-Star player OR a young player with All-Star potential.  Both?  No way.

[Chief Macho]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

[PhoSita]

I also wonder if the Capela rumor has anything to do with this. I could see NOLA being interested in Capela as both a longer term prospect that can fit with their group long-term, while also helping them stay competitive right now.

That's interesting -- I hadn't thought of the possibility that Boston could try to trade for Capela and reroute him to New Orleans as part of a deal for Davis.


How could that work though?  They can't trade Horford before the opt-in date.  I doubt Houston would be interested in receiving Hayward for Capela.  Not sure how else the Celts could make the money work.


Smart and Brown for Capela works.


But then you'd be giving up Tatum, Smart AND Brown just to get Davis.  Plus a couple of 1st round picks.

That's an enormous price to pay.



If Griffin were able to get Capela, Tatum, and two 1st round picks for Davis .... that would be an absolutely monumental haul for a star with one year left on his deal who has actively demanded a trade.

[PhoSita]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

[seancally]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

Agree, and I endorse it. PG is the deepest position in the league. AD is a franchise, all-NBA, MVP-level player.

[PhoSita]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

Agree, and I endorse it. PG is the deepest position in the league. AD is a franchise, all-NBA, MVP-level player.

I trust Danny, but if he goes all-in to get AD, he better have a plan to upgrade the supporting cast around him.

Terry Rozier, Gordon Hayward, Marcus Morris, and Al Horford is not going to be enough to contend with AD.  To keep AD they're going to have to be really good.  Good enough to compete for the title.

[Moranis]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

I'm not sure any team or combination of teams could meet this price.

If a team gave up that much to get Davis, what are the chances they still have enough talent on their roster to actually compete in the single season they have Davis under control?


The Celts can offer a young player with All-Star potential plus two 1st round picks.  They could throw in Hayward, I suppose, who might return to All-Star form as soon as next season.  But I doubt that would qualify.


This is pretty clearly just a bargaining tactic to open negotiations.  Still, that's total fantasy.  No way they get anything close to that much for Davis.


Also notable:

Griffin has offered teams no firm timetable on needing a completed deal, but he has indicated that he prefers the acquisition of 2019 draft picks be completed days prior to the June 20 event, in Brooklyn, league sources said.

Deal likely to be completed in the next week or so.

That seems like Smart, Tatum, Memphis, and another 1st.  Tatum and the Memphis pick are better than the baseline such that they make up for Smart falling short of his prong.

To me, it sounds like the "ask" is for Boston's best offer plus an established All-Star.

There's just no way they're getting close to that.


More likely, Griffin will be able to get EITHER an established All-Star player OR a young player with All-Star potential.  Both?  No way.

I just don't see that as the case, which is why there is a specific mention of the fluidity of the ask.  If Tatum is the best prospect they can get, then that has more value.  The Memphis pick is unknown, but is likely going to be a lottery pick either next year or the following year (how high is obviously up for debate but hard to see how it isn't a lottery pick).  Throw in 14 i.e. a lottery pick this year, plus a very solid still relatively young player like Smart on a good contract, and that is what the ask is.

I mean which offer is better

Smart, Tatum, Memphis, 14

or

Russell, Allen, 17, Nets 20 1st

Seems pretty clear that Boston's offer is better even though the Nets offer technically would hit all 3 criteria (at least depending on what you think of Allen as a prospect). 

And both of those are better offers than what the Spurs got for Leonard, who is better than Davis and similarly situated from a contract perspective (though Leonard's injury issues were less certain). 

[Fafnir]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

I think "lack aggression" is one of two things:

1. Tatum package if off the table
2. Ainge isn't playing the get a third team to get NoP yet another star by also trading Brown and told them they can't get everything they want.

Could be either, though the media scuttle but seems to lean towards 1 for the most part. (not all of it certainly)

[bdm860]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26941750/pelicans-open-multi-team-davis-deal

Griffin is pursuing a combination of assets that include an All-Star player, a young player with All-Star potential and two first-round picks, league sources said. Those wants are on a sliding scale. For example, the better the player, the softer the asks on the draft picks -- and vice versa.

This is interesting, because this is what a third hand sources here?  From Griffin to other teams to Woj?  Obviously Woj is credible (though not perfect), but we heard first hand from Griffin back in January that if he were the Pelicans GM he'd ask for: 1 young player that projected to be a star, draft picks, and an elite role player.

So is this a game of telephone, and the asking price is getting muddled as the message is getting passed along?

Did Griffin change his asking price?  Maybe this is what ownership is telling Griffin to get?

Someone is leaking this to manipulate the market? 

Woj will sloppy reporting trying to drive clicks?

Could be anything.  But I don't believe this rumor (because I don't think any team will meet the asking price) over what I heard from Griffin a few months back (which I think is enough to create a bidding war).

[Silky]

I can see this all turning into a massive deal when its all said and done.



http://tradenba.com/trades/HJmP9f2AN


 

[Chief Macho]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

you act as ad walking next summer wouldnt ruin the celtics completely and probably lose danny and his front office their jobs.   this isnt some small risk.. its reckless behavior that would essentially break everything theyve built.

[gift]

I think things are quiet right now because of the finals. As soon as the series is over I expect pretty quick movement on the AD trade front. Teams have had time to prepare. New Orleans, and even Griffin though he joined later, have had time to think about what they want and pretty much know what they can get.

[nickagneta]

remarkable so many still think the celtics are in on this anymore.   danny isn't giving up tatum or brown now.

I 100% believe Danny Ainge is willing to trade for AD even knowing that Kyrie could leave.

Danny has been planning to go after AD for years.  I really doubt he's gonna back off now just because this past year didn't go according to plan.

Agree, and I endorse it. PG is the deepest position in the league. AD is a franchise, all-NBA, MVP-level player.

I trust Danny, but if he goes all-in to get AD, he better have a plan to upgrade the supporting cast around him.

Terry Rozier, Gordon Hayward, Marcus Morris, and Al Horford is not going to be enough to contend with AD.  To keep AD they're going to have to be really good.  Good enough to compete for the title.

I think your assumption of all 3 of Brown, Tatum and Smart is way too rich a deal and Ainge won't give up all three.

Either Smart or Brown will be on the team next year if the Celtics trade for Davis.

A point guard not named Rozier(Darren Collison, Patrick Beverly, Ricky Rubio, Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose are all possible),Brown, a healthy Hayward, Davis and Horford can be enough to contend.

[ETNCeltics]

lol at what Griffin's asking for. Davis has one year on his deal. Very few teams even have what he's asking for, much less be willing to pay it.