Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

Will be a Rubio/Brown there is no Smart with Davis on the roster.

That’s probably true. Whoever we bring in for backups will need to be able to shoot, though. Teams need to have at least one viable scorer in the backcourt at all times.

I’m probably the minority who views Brown as EXTREMELY valuable. I see him as eventually being in the talks for MVP. Like I really think he’s great and will figure things out soon. I don’t mind him becoming a scorer. No need to argue with me on this because I could easily be the only person who sees greatness in him that I don’t st all see in Tatum.

What you can argue with me about though is I also believe Hayward will be a great shooter for us next season. That with the easy 25ppg Davis will provide it will be a cake walk in the east.

Brown’s season started off slow, but he had a few nagging injuries he was dealing with.  He really came on strong though as the season wore on.  I love his work ethic, mentality, seems like a good teammate, could become a very good leader, and love his 2 way potential.

His struggle was greatly exaggerated IMO. Think he struggle maybe a full month of games and he had multiple nagging injuries during that time. People tend to keep saying he struggled the first half of the season and he didn't. If he becomes more consistent, that's a very solid 2-way player, with room to grow.

[RodyTur10]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

Will be a Rubio/Brown there is no Smart with Davis on the roster.

That’s probably true. Whoever we bring in for backups will need to be able to shoot, though. Teams need to have at least one viable scorer in the backcourt at all times.

I’m probably the minority who views Brown as EXTREMELY valuable. I see him as eventually being in the talks for MVP. Like I really think he’s great and will figure things out soon. I don’t mind him becoming a scorer. No need to argue with me on this because I could easily be the only person who sees greatness in him that I don’t st all see in Tatum.

What you can argue with me about though is I also believe Hayward will be a great shooter for us next season. That with the easy 25ppg Davis will provide it will be a cake walk in the east.

Brown’s season started off slow, but he had a few nagging injuries he was dealing with.  He really came on strong though as the season wore on.  I love his work ethic, mentality, seems like a good teammate, could become a very good leader, and love his 2 way potential.

His struggle was greatly exaggerated IMO. Think he struggle maybe a full month of games and he had multiple nagging injuries during that time. People tend to keep saying he struggled the first half of the season and he didn't. If he becomes more consistent, that's a very solid 2-way player, with room to grow.

Yes, Brown has gotten too much critism. He's a very solid 2-way player who's trajectory is strikingly similar to Paul George. But it's always like that. First we see a young player with high potential and we proclaim him to be the next star and when such a young player isn't able to meet those expectations on a short notice, people lose patience and start to put emphasis on their weaknesses as reasons why he won't be a star.

LaVine, Towns, Russell, Booker, Ingram and Ayton have also faced heavy critism in the past, so Jaylen shouldn't take it personal.

[nickagneta]

First, this will be merged into the Davis trade thread.

Second, not sure why Horford wouldn't want to play alongside a top 5 player in the league. If Davis is traded for before the draft, my expectations are Horford opts out and re-signs for 4 years at $65-75 million or so. Then signing a player like Rubio or Beverly makes a tremendous amount of sense if Kyrie leaves.

Rubio
Brown
Hayward
Horford
Davis

is an excellent starting five, especially if Hayward comes back strong like Paul George did the farther he got from his surgery.

If Rubio is the best we can do, then so be it and hope for the best, but it will not shock me if he drives Celtic fans crazy with his inability to shoot in an offense that emphasizes outside shooting.

Career: 38.8 FG%  32.2% 3P%

Yeah, those who hated the Smart / Rozier pairing would have nightmares watching Smart / Rubio. There would be a lot of bricks thrown up there.

That said, we’d be fine if Gordo recovered fully.  There needs to be somebody in the lineup who can volume score from long range.

Will be a Rubio/Brown there is no Smart with Davis on the roster.

That’s probably true. Whoever we bring in for backups will need to be able to shoot, though. Teams need to have at least one viable scorer in the backcourt at all times.

I’m probably the minority who views Brown as EXTREMELY valuable. I see him as eventually being in the talks for MVP. Like I really think he’s great and will figure things out soon. I don’t mind him becoming a scorer. No need to argue with me on this because I could easily be the only person who sees greatness in him that I don’t st all see in Tatum.

What you can argue with me about though is I also believe Hayward will be a great shooter for us next season. That with the easy 25ppg Davis will provide it will be a cake walk in the east.

Brown’s season started off slow, but he had a few nagging injuries he was dealing with.  He really came on strong though as the season wore on.  I love his work ethic, mentality, seems like a good teammate, could become a very good leader, and love his 2 way potential.

His struggle was greatly exaggerated IMO. Think he struggle maybe a full month of games and he had multiple nagging injuries during that time. People tend to keep saying he struggled the first half of the season and he didn't. If he becomes more consistent, that's a very solid 2-way player, with room to grow.

It really was just a quarter season. Once he went to the bench, and especially after coming back from that bad fall, he was one the better shooters/most efficient scorer on the team all the way through to the playoffs.

And once again, Jaylen showed when the games mean the most, he will show up big as he had another excellent playoffs on both sides of the ball.

Kid is a warrior. I like that. It's something in his makeup that I am sure Marcus Smart/Marcus Morris/Al Horford have and not sure Jayson Tatum has. The verdict is still out on Tatum having it in him. I think he does but I am not sure.

[PhoSita]

Kid is a warrior. I like that. It's something in his makeup that I am sure Marcus Smart/Marcus Morris/Al Horford have and not sure Jayson Tatum has. The verdict is still out on Tatum having it in him. I think he does but I am not sure.

I think Jaylen is his own cat.  Kinda does his own thing, takes in information from a lot of sources but makes up his own mind about how to handle his business and carry himself.


Tatum strikes me as a guy who is much more impressionable.  Cool as ice on the court but seems like he goes along with the major personalities on the team.


All of this is to say that I think Tatum would benefit greatly from the team culture shifting away from Irvingism and being refocused toward Smarfism or Horfordism.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

[ETNCeltics]

Would be monumentally stupid to trade Tatum for AD if you don't know Kyrie is resigning.

[RazzelnoDazzel]

Would be monumentally stupid to trade Tatum for AD if you don't know Kyrie is resigning.

Or not....

[jpotter33]

https://nesn.com/2019/06/does-this-rumored-anthony-davis-trade-proposal-make-sense-for-celtics/

In the immortal words of George Costanza, “You wanna get nuts? Let’s get nuts!” with Boston Celtics trade ideas.

This was supposed to be the summer the Celtics put the finishing touches on their most recent rebuild. The idea, or so we all thought, was Kyrie Irving would re-sign, and then Boston would trade for another star — like, say, Anthony Davis — to form a superteam.

It doesn’t look like it’s going to work out that way, though. All the rumors and reports seem to indicate Irving is ready to go back on his preseason pledge, and the Celtics don’t sound very convinced Irving will be back in green next season.

That led many of us to believe the Celtics won’t pursue Davis. The New Orleans Pelicans big man can become a free agent after next season and seemingly has his eyes set on long-term locations other than Boston. But might the Celtics still make a push and sacrifice a young, talented core in order to land Davis and take a run with him as their centerpiece?

According to reports, yes.  And New Orleans sports anchor Fletcher Mackel even reported Thursday night that he spoke with an NBA source who thinks the Celtics are still the team Davis winds up with this summer. Despite no guarantees Davis will be anything more than a one-year rental, Mackel also says Celtics swingman Jayson Tatum is the player the Pelicans want the most.

Mackel even tossed out a trade proposal.

Boston receives: Anthony Davis
New Orleans receives: Jayson Tatum, Marcus Smart, (at least) the No. 14 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft and at least one of Robert Williams, Semi Ojeleye or Geurschon Yabusele

With the way Mackel phrased the tweet, it’s hard to say whether the proposal is a legitimate rumor he’s heard or just speculation. Regardless, it’s an interesting debate, and if he has a source who says the Celtics are the most likely landing spot, then there’s clearly some sort of match between the two teams’ assets.

All of that being said, it feels like a lot for the Celtics to part with in order to get one year of Davis. You do have to give up something to get something, especially for a player like Davis who’s an MVP candidate when healthy and motivated. As for the contract, Paul George proved it’s possible to convince a player to stay after just one season, and the Celtics might still be kicking themselves after not taking that risk last summer to acquire Kawhi Leonard.

It’s also hard to pinpoint the best course of action when you don’t what will happen with free agents this summer, but the NBA draft is just a couple of weeks away, which means the Celtics — and the Pelicans — might have to make their decisions sooner than later.

Read more at: https://nesn.com/2019/06/does-this-rumored-anthony-davis-trade-proposal-make-sense-for-celtics/

While I seriously doubt that we can trade for Davis without giving up either of Brown or the Memphis pick, if this is really the likely package then you absolutely have to do it. I'd even throw in a few more non-Memphis picks if need be.

I think Griffin would have to be really high on Tatum to take an offer like this without Brown or the Memphis pick, and he may be just that high on him if you read everything that he's said about him in the past.

[ETNCeltics]

I hope Danny's not as deranged as all these people eager to throw all of our assets at a one year rental of AD.

[nickagneta]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

[LilRip]

Guys, if we land Davis, we’ll still have Hayward and Horford. We’ll still have Brown as our main prospect. And we can sign a more than decent PG with the MLE like Rubio or Beverly (assuming Kyrie doesn’t sign with us).

That’s still a really good team, especially if we can retain Morris and Baynes. Semi will probably see an uptick in minutes. All we need is another PG off the bench and that’s one deep team that’s solid on both ends of the floor, and with a real hierarchy

[gouki88]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

This is true for almost all proposals here

[jambr380]

People are also missing that if we trade Tatum, Smart, And Yabu + Kyrie walks + Horford restructures = some cap space

Depending on the market, he may be about to steal away another PG for a sign and trade of Rozier. (I,E, Dragic, Or Jeff Teague)

The only hiccups would be Morris and Baynes. If the Celtics chose to move on from both of them, we would have much more Salary than y’all would think. I haven’t fully checked the numbers but I think this would open the doors up for bigger contracts like Conley and Mayyyybe Paul.

All these trades would allow us to keep Hayward as well.

Kinda true but not really.

Horford resigning probably only means a savings of $10 million. We will be taking on salary in the Davis deal and then he gets a raise so a good $5-6 million of that $10 million disapears.

So assuming it's Smart, Tatum and Yabu that are gone and only pick #14:

Gordon $32 mil
Horford $20 mil
Davis $27 mil
Brown $6.5 mil
Baynes(he decides to opt in, Boston has no control here) $5.4 mil
Williams $1.9 mil
Semi $1.6 mil
#20 pick $2.1 mil
#22 pick $1.9 mil
3 empty roster slots $2.7 mil

That's $101 million or so in salary and cap holds for 3 empty spots. To remain there you need to renounce Morris, Rozier, Theis and Wanamaker.

So your cap space ends up being less than the MLE.

Even if, best case scenario, you somehow get Horford to $15 million(won't happen), Baynes opts out(doubtful he gets much better offers than $5.4 million after injury riddled season) and you trade the two picks for future picks, you end up at best around $18-19 million in cap space. But again, that scenario is extremely unlikely.

Ainge won't do that.

And again, I seriously doubt a Rozier sign and trade. He will be allowed to go just like Sully and Olynyk. The time to have gotten anything for Rozier passed at the trade deadline.

As I've mentioned before, I'd much rather operate just over the cap than just under so that we can utilize the full MLE. If we are in the market for a starting PG, that will be much more desirable than the crappy room exception. If we lose Irving, here's for apparently re-signing Morris or Rozier!

[gpap]

I hope Danny's not as deranged as all these people eager to throw all of our assets at a one year rental of AD.

Yea, we don't need a player of AD's caliber. We have so many players just as talented right now on the Celtics, right?

Please.

I make the deal in a heartbeat. Give me the horse over the 2 or 3 ponies you're giving up in the deal.

[gouki88]

I hope Danny's not as deranged as all these people eager to throw all of our assets at a one year rental of AD.

Yea, we don't need a player of AD's caliber. We have so many players just as talented right now on the Celtics, right?

Please.

I make the deal in a heartbeat. Give me the horse over the 2 or 3 ponies you're giving up in the deal.

Worked out well for Toronto, and Kawhi might stay because of how well they're doing. Brown making a Siakam-like jump with more touches isn't unreasonable at all, and I think Hayward would turn into a very reliable 15-5-5 guy at worst. Throw in Horford and you have a very good core