Anthony Davis traded to Lakers(page 272)

[GreenEnvy]

If Irving is part of the deal... only way I can see it working

3 way trade scenerio 1
To Nets: Irving
To Celtics: Russell,  Dinwiddie

To Pel: Russell, Dinwiddie, R. Williams, Morris, multiple 2018 Celts 1sts
To Celtics: AD

3 way trade scenerio 2

To Knicks: Irving, R. WIlliams, 2nd picks
To Celtics: Porzingis, Knox, Kanter

To Pel: Porzingis, Knox, Morris, 2018 Celts 1st picks
To Celtics: AD


Lineup potential after trade

AD
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Rozier

Bench
Smart
Hayward

Why move Smart to bench?

Not getting AD by trading Kyrie. AD will want another star.

Yeah, other than maybe some anti-Kyrie bias, I'm not getting the "Trade Kyrie for AD" crowd. 

Multi-star teams are what wins championships in the NBA.  That's the landscape you're looking at here and its been that way for years. You team Kyrie up with AD.  You don't trade Kyrie for him.  Then you're back at square one searching for that 2nd star.  You don't trade Paul Pierce for Kevin Garnett.  You team the two up.

Everyone agrees with that.

What if we aren’t afforded that opportunity because New a Orleans decides they are moving him before the deadline?

Then Ainge may have to pick one or the other. And it’s not like we would not have anyone else, Horford is an All-Star and I believe AD would speed up Hayward’s return to that status as well.

But like I said in previous posts, it’s way too dangerous for Ainge to start dangling Kyrie because in this social media age, everything gets out. And once it does, I seriously doubt Kyrie resigns. So if he offers Kyrie to anyone, he HAS to deal him.

If I'm Danny, that's a bluff by New Orleans I'm willing to call.  I don't see it happening.

I also think there is zero chance Danny is offering Kyrie, to begin with.

Like I said, I think it’s too risky for him to offer Kyrie anywhere because he’s only got one year and only a select few teams would give up enough for him. So the risk of shipping him leaking to the public is far greater than him actually pulling off two blockbusters in 10 days.

As far as NOP bluffing, maybe. If I’m Ainge, I tell Demps my best offer this week. Tatum, Brown, MEM pick, a couple of ours, maybe even Williams. That’s what’s waiting for you in July.

If they panic and take an inferior package next week, then yes, we live with it.

I’d just hate to see him land in LA. Even if they gave up everything (Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, Hart), they’d still be lethal.

Tell me something....

What if the Celts win the championship

Is this package still waiting??

Nothing is a guarantee

Yes, it is.

Championship teams can still improve.

You just won a championship

So you dismantle that team for AD?

You better repeat or else it will be a terrible tomorrow for Ainge and AD

If by dismantle you mean trade your (at best) second and fifth best players for our new best player? Yes, I’ll dismantle it then.

It’s like saying if the Bucks win the chip, would they blow it up and trade Middleton and Lopez for Harden?

[keevsnick]

Huge news. And it begins.

I would assume New Orleans is willing to hold off on dealing him until the summer, in which case we are 100% in the game.

I’m hoping the Pels agree. Davis doesn’t have much leverage to force a trade in the next 10 days. He’s already sitting out, and even if he threatened surgery or something similar, that would aid NOP in tanking.

Any offer for him now will still be there this summer.

That's not 100% true. A teams ability to trade for him now and have 2 post season runs with Davis vs the 1 they would be guaranteed this next summer significantly increases his value for teams that don't know if they will be able to resign him. This menas there very well might be teams out there wiling to give up pieces they wouldn't this summer. Asking for a trade now expands the list of potential suitors significantly.

And not hat I ever thought this would happen, but asking for a trade now clearly means Davis isn't fixated on us as a destination. Maybe he would come here, but he has to know we can't make the trade now so ergo we likely aren't his preferred destination.

All this doesn't mean we can't get him, but I think the odds got longer.

[celticinorlando]

The identity and tenor of this whole thing changes if Hayward can return to himself on the court. If he does, then you feel a little better about moving young wings. If not...you can't send both of them.

Problem is we really won't know anything about Hayward until next season. Highly doubt he shows much of anything the rest of this season to give everyone a secure feeling. Counting on him long term is a risk right now.

[Tr1boy]

If Irving is part of the deal... only way I can see it working

3 way trade scenerio 1
To Nets: Irving
To Celtics: Russell,  Dinwiddie

To Pel: Russell, Dinwiddie, R. Williams, Morris, multiple 2018 Celts 1sts
To Celtics: AD

3 way trade scenerio 2

To Knicks: Irving, R. WIlliams, 2nd picks
To Celtics: Porzingis, Knox, Kanter

To Pel: Porzingis, Knox, Morris, 2018 Celts 1st picks
To Celtics: AD


Lineup potential after trade

AD
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Rozier

Bench
Smart
Hayward

Why move Smart to bench?

Not getting AD by trading Kyrie. AD will want another star.

Yeah, other than maybe some anti-Kyrie bias, I'm not getting the "Trade Kyrie for AD" crowd. 

Multi-star teams are what wins championships in the NBA.  That's the landscape you're looking at here and its been that way for years. You team Kyrie up with AD.  You don't trade Kyrie for him.  Then you're back at square one searching for that 2nd star.  You don't trade Paul Pierce for Kevin Garnett.  You team the two up.

Everyone agrees with that.

What if we aren’t afforded that opportunity because New a Orleans decides they are moving him before the deadline?

Then Ainge may have to pick one or the other. And it’s not like we would not have anyone else, Horford is an All-Star and I believe AD would speed up Hayward’s return to that status as well.

But like I said in previous posts, it’s way too dangerous for Ainge to start dangling Kyrie because in this social media age, everything gets out. And once it does, I seriously doubt Kyrie resigns. So if he offers Kyrie to anyone, he HAS to deal him.

If I'm Danny, that's a bluff by New Orleans I'm willing to call.  I don't see it happening.

I also think there is zero chance Danny is offering Kyrie, to begin with.

Like I said, I think it’s too risky for him to offer Kyrie anywhere because he’s only got one year and only a select few teams would give up enough for him. So the risk of shipping him leaking to the public is far greater than him actually pulling off two blockbusters in 10 days.

As far as NOP bluffing, maybe. If I’m Ainge, I tell Demps my best offer this week. Tatum, Brown, MEM pick, a couple of ours, maybe even Williams. That’s what’s waiting for you in July.

If they panic and take an inferior package next week, then yes, we live with it.

I’d just hate to see him land in LA. Even if they gave up everything (Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, Hart), they’d still be lethal.

Tell me something....

What if the Celts win the championship

Is this package still waiting??

Nothing is a guarantee

Yes, it is.

Championship teams can still improve.

You just won a championship

So you dismantle that team for AD?

You better repeat or else it will be a terrible tomorrow for Ainge and AD

If by dismantle you mean trade your (at best) second and fifth best players for our new best player? Yes, I’ll dismantle it then.

It’s like saying if the Bucks win the chip, would they blow it up and trade Middleton and Lopez for Harden?

I wouldnt

This season should show you, you cant just mashup good players and its all gravy

Chemistry/personality meshing matters alot

[keevsnick]

The celts are going to get screwed by this rule.  Just not the same value to trade for a bunch of players (I.e., picks) than the picks themselves.

I mean, if the celts had far and away the best package then maybe the pelicans would wait.  But they don’t.  Ingram, ball, and kizma close to our best offer even if we include Tatum.

Don't think this is true in any sense of the term. Our best offer could literally be something like Tatum, Brown, Williams, Rozier (S&T), Sac Pick, Memphis pick, LAC pick, and other picks or pick swaps of our own picks. LA's offer comes nowhere near that value.

Plus, you have to think of what that would set Davis up for long-term. Lebron is 34 and his body is now starting to show his age, with this year suffering the worst injury of his career. He'll be 35 by the time next season starts, and with as many miles as he has on his body, it's only going to get worse for him. Sure, they might be able to land another guy this summer through free agency, but they'll have virtually nothing left assets-wise to fill out that roster, as they will have to go all-in to get AD before the trade deadline. Long-term he's only marginally closer to winning a title in LA than he is in NOLA.

Boston, on the other hand, will still have assets left after the trade and a near All-Star starting five in Kyrie, Smart, Hayward, Davis, and Al.

So Tatum would have the highest value, followed by the three lakers.  Brown I think is showing his true colors.  I think his days as a prospect are numbers.  Rozier has about zero value.  The picks are sweeteners, maybe a little more.  Not sure what value Williams has.

I mean, if you think that then I guess that makes sense. But I'm guessing that virtually everyone in the NBA outside of Southern California thinks Brown is just as good, if not better, of a prospect than any of those three. The only one that I think is questionable is Ingram.

Ya I agree I know Droopdog is very low on Brown, but just listening to podcasts and opinions there are certainly people who rate Brown just as high, if not higher than anybody on the Lakers. My guess is it leans Brown. And that's in relation t Ingram, he is clearly a better prospect than ball, Hart, Kuzma in some order.

[Tr1boy]

Huge news. And it begins.

I would assume New Orleans is willing to hold off on dealing him until the summer, in which case we are 100% in the game.

I’m hoping the Pels agree. Davis doesn’t have much leverage to force a trade in the next 10 days. He’s already sitting out, and even if he threatened surgery or something similar, that would aid NOP in tanking.

Any offer for him now will still be there this summer.

That's not 100% true. A teams ability to trade for him now and have 2 post season runs with Davis vs the 1 they would be guaranteed this next summer significantly increases his value for teams that don't know if they will be able to resign him. This menas there very well might be teams out there wiling to give up pieces they wouldn't this summer. Asking for a trade now expands the list of potential suitors significantly.

And not hat I ever thought this would happen, but asking for a trade now clearly means Davis isn't fixated on us as a destination. Maybe he would come here, but he has to know we can't make the trade now so ergo we likely aren't his preferred destination.

All this doesn't mean we can't get him, but I think the odds got longer.

Good points

AD is like a unicorn for the Celtics at the moment

[SHAQATTACK]

If Davis goes to the Lakers, I am going to lose it. Just help another team get him...anywhere but, there.

If that happens the forum should allow the use of bad language for a day.

i think the site would be F -Bombd for morbid.

[RJ87]

The identity and tenor of this whole thing changes if Hayward can return to himself on the court. If he does, then you feel a little better about moving young wings. If not...you can't send both of them.

Problem is we really won't know anything about Hayward until next season. Highly doubt he shows much of anything the rest of this season to give everyone a secure feeling. Counting on him long term is a risk right now.

I disagree. You'd have a base of AD and Kyrie, plus Al. You can plug in a 3&D/PJ Tucker or Marcus Morris type and have a heck of a basketball team.

[CelticsElite]

I've cooled a bit on Davis after we drafted Tatum. We have a boatload of picks and a nice talented team. I like our chances of winning a title with or without Davis

I have faith in Danny making the best package for Davis... But if it doesn't happen then so be it

[BringToughnessBack]

If Davis goes to the Lakers, I am going to lose it. Just help another team get him...anywhere but, there.

If that happens the forum should allow the use of bad language for a day.

i think the site would be F -Bombd for morbid.

Lebron and Davis could win a title...this place would go insane....But can you imagine if we somehow got to the finals and faced them?

I don't see any reason NO keeps him til after season is over....too much risk for injury and does not help their draft position as well. If I am NO, I take the best offer over the next few weeks and let all teams who can offer everything and then some, do exactly that.

[RJ87]

If Irving is part of the deal... only way I can see it working

3 way trade scenerio 1
To Nets: Irving
To Celtics: Russell,  Dinwiddie

To Pel: Russell, Dinwiddie, R. Williams, Morris, multiple 2018 Celts 1sts
To Celtics: AD

3 way trade scenerio 2

To Knicks: Irving, R. WIlliams, 2nd picks
To Celtics: Porzingis, Knox, Kanter

To Pel: Porzingis, Knox, Morris, 2018 Celts 1st picks
To Celtics: AD


Lineup potential after trade

AD
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Rozier

Bench
Smart
Hayward

Why move Smart to bench?

Not getting AD by trading Kyrie. AD will want another star.

Yeah, other than maybe some anti-Kyrie bias, I'm not getting the "Trade Kyrie for AD" crowd. 

Multi-star teams are what wins championships in the NBA.  That's the landscape you're looking at here and its been that way for years. You team Kyrie up with AD.  You don't trade Kyrie for him.  Then you're back at square one searching for that 2nd star.  You don't trade Paul Pierce for Kevin Garnett.  You team the two up.

Everyone agrees with that.

What if we aren’t afforded that opportunity because New a Orleans decides they are moving him before the deadline?

Then Ainge may have to pick one or the other. And it’s not like we would not have anyone else, Horford is an All-Star and I believe AD would speed up Hayward’s return to that status as well.

But like I said in previous posts, it’s way too dangerous for Ainge to start dangling Kyrie because in this social media age, everything gets out. And once it does, I seriously doubt Kyrie resigns. So if he offers Kyrie to anyone, he HAS to deal him.

If I'm Danny, that's a bluff by New Orleans I'm willing to call.  I don't see it happening.

I also think there is zero chance Danny is offering Kyrie, to begin with.

Like I said, I think it’s too risky for him to offer Kyrie anywhere because he’s only got one year and only a select few teams would give up enough for him. So the risk of shipping him leaking to the public is far greater than him actually pulling off two blockbusters in 10 days.

As far as NOP bluffing, maybe. If I’m Ainge, I tell Demps my best offer this week. Tatum, Brown, MEM pick, a couple of ours, maybe even Williams. That’s what’s waiting for you in July.

If they panic and take an inferior package next week, then yes, we live with it.

I’d just hate to see him land in LA. Even if they gave up everything (Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, Hart), they’d still be lethal.

Tell me something....

What if the Celts win the championship

Is this package still waiting??

Nothing is a guarantee

Lol, just yesterday you were saying we don't have enough to beat the Warriors. Today it's what if we win a championship?

Stop being a pest and answer

Would that package still be waiting in this case?

The answer is NO

I'm not calling you names, don't call me names. Just pointing out how fickle you're being to support a narrative.

For the record, I think it's unlikely we'd win a championship this year so it's moot point.

[SHAQATTACK]

my feeling this was set up to make Davis a Laker .  Le whiner can't win with out him . 

This announcement comes now,at the bequest of Magic and Whiner and Rich behind the curtains pulling the strings.

Nobody but the NBA could step,in and stop it .  It obviously been going on a long time.   Lakers don't want the him to go on the market this summer.   So they pulled strings ....their agent manager and rich all in making plans behind the sceens

[GreenEnvy]

Huge news. And it begins.

I would assume New Orleans is willing to hold off on dealing him until the summer, in which case we are 100% in the game.

I’m hoping the Pels agree. Davis doesn’t have much leverage to force a trade in the next 10 days. He’s already sitting out, and even if he threatened surgery or something similar, that would aid NOP in tanking.

Any offer for him now will still be there this summer.

That's not 100% true. A teams ability to trade for him now and have 2 post season runs with Davis vs the 1 they would be guaranteed this next summer significantly increases his value for teams that don't know if they will be able to resign him. This menas there very well might be teams out there wiling to give up pieces they wouldn't this summer. Asking for a trade now expands the list of potential suitors significantly.

And not hat I ever thought this would happen, but asking for a trade now clearly means Davis isn't fixated on us as a destination. Maybe he would come here, but he has to know we can't make the trade now so ergo we likely aren't his preferred destination.

All this doesn't mean we can't get him, but I think the odds got longer.

I don’t think the extra playoff run will change too much, as they know the team most regard as having the best assets will enter the fray in July. As of right now, it’s the Lakers vs... nobody. Who else is going to pony up enough to actually make a run this May? Everyone else will have nothing left on the roster this season. Only the Lakers because of LeBron can make noise (and even they may be too thin for GSW).

If the deadline passes and New Orleans starts fielding offers in the summer, other teams will be there and compete with Boston. The absolute best thing they can get now is picks for June, but they really can’t get lotto picks from anyone other than us (after the draft).

I do agree about your second point, that if he explicitly told NOP this, he’s not dead-set on Boston and Boston only. I could certainly see LeBron and Paul getting in his head, but knowing he’s ready to move now and Boston not being possible is not encouraging. We could still be the preferred, just not his only destination.

[CelticsElite]

Huge news. And it begins.

I would assume New Orleans is willing to hold off on dealing him until the summer, in which case we are 100% in the game.

I’m hoping the Pels agree. Davis doesn’t have much leverage to force a trade in the next 10 days. He’s already sitting out, and even if he threatened surgery or something similar, that would aid NOP in tanking.

Any offer for him now will still be there this summer.

That's not 100% true. A teams ability to trade for him now and have 2 post season runs with Davis vs the 1 they would be guaranteed this next summer significantly increases his value for teams that don't know if they will be able to resign him. This menas there very well might be teams out there wiling to give up pieces they wouldn't this summer. Asking for a trade now expands the list of potential suitors significantly.

And not hat I ever thought this would happen, but asking for a trade now clearly means Davis isn't fixated on us as a destination. Maybe he would come here, but he has to know we can't make the trade now so ergo we likely aren't his preferred destination.

All this doesn't mean we can't get him, but I think the odds got longer.

I don’t think the extra playoff run will change too much, as they know the team most regard as having the best assets will enter the fray in July. As of right now, it’s the Lakers vs... nobody. Who else is going to pony up enough to actually make a run this May? Everyone else will have nothing left on the roster this season. Only the Lakers because of LeBron can make noise (and even they may be too thin for GSW).

If the deadline passes and New Orleans starts fielding offers in the summer, other teams will be there and compete with Boston. The absolute best thing they can get now is picks for June, but they really can’t get lotto picks from anyone other than us (after the draft).

I do agree about your second point, that if he explicitly told NOP this, he’s not dead-set on Boston and Boston only. I could certainly see LeBron and Paul getting in his head, but knowing he’s ready to move now and Boston not being possible is not encouraging. We could still be the preferred, just not his only destination.

If AF prefered the Lakers, it would have been part of the news cycle from the beginning like it was with Kawhi. It isn't.


Seems like he's neutral. The only note attached to the trade request was send me to a championship caliber team... Do the 10 seed Lakers sound like that

[Tr1boy]

How much money would Kyrie give up by signing an extension now? I know that's the one loophole we have to play to get a deal done now, but I'm under the impression that Kyrie signing an extension is nonstarter. Just curious about the #'s

He has to opt out of his current deal after the season. He cannot, under any circumstances, resign now.

He can sign an extension now. But he'd be leaving a ton of money on the table.

What about a 2 year bridge deal

One plus option

It would be a way to circumvent out of this "situation"