Monroe Buyout / Signing with Celtics (merged threads)

[keevsnick]

Isn't Mirotic worth holding out for? We need to keep those driving lanes open. Mirotic keeps space open and can hit from deep. Monroe's nice but does he fit our system? Could be a wasted spot.

No.


Especially since I imagine he will be traded.  There is an interest out there for him.

There is interest, but he can veto a trade and has already done so.  He can’t veto a trade if the Bulls/the team acquiring him pick up his $12.5 million option next season.  It’s not clear that a team wants to do this.

But if you are the Bulls, can't you also wait till next offseason and move him then?

Only if they pick up the team option.  And given that right now teams don’t seem to want that option picked up, they might not have any more luck next summer.  And they do want to make a real run at a free agent or two, so they don’t want to get got holding his deal.

And given that Mirotic can tell teams don’t want his option, it gives him an idea on his market value next year, which is all the more reason for him to try to hold out to get it picked up.

This is all so confounding to me, considering Mirotic is actually a value on that option. He's a starting Power forward and starting players routinely make more than that. This leads me to believe some team will eventually offer a first and pick up his option.

[GreenEnvy]

I think it would be crazy for him to leave millions of dollars on the table to go play for a team going nowhere just for the possibility of a few extra minutes. I could easily see him getting 24-26 mpg here. What’s he getting in New Orleans, 32?

We’ll see how this plays out. Would be very foolish of him, but stranger things have happened.

[jpotter33]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757117-greg-monroe-rumors-pelicans-interested-in-center-after-demarcus-cousins-injury?share=other

NO is “gaining momentum” on signing Monroe, primarily due to playing time. Of course, but at least this would keep him away from Cleveland, too.

[Surferdad]

Isn't Mirotic worth holding out for? We need to keep those driving lanes open. Mirotic keeps space open and can hit from deep. Monroe's nice but does he fit our system? Could be a wasted spot.

No.


Especially since I imagine he will be traded.  There is an interest out there for him.

There is interest, but he can veto a trade and has already done so.  He can’t veto a trade if the Bulls/the team acquiring him pick up his $12.5 million option next season.  It’s not clear that a team wants to do this.

But if you are the Bulls, can't you also wait till next offseason and move him then?

Only if they pick up the team option.  And given that right now teams don’t seem to want that option picked up, they might not have any more luck next summer.  And they do want to make a real run at a free agent or two, so they don’t want to get got holding his deal.

And given that Mirotic can tell teams don’t want his option, it gives him an idea on his market value next year, which is all the more reason for him to try to hold out to get it picked up.

Frankly, I think I'm ok with Boston picking up his option next year.  Mirotic is the exact type of PF this team could use offensively.  The team is missing someone in that KO role and that is Mirotic.  The problem of course is trying to come up with a good salary mix going out.  Morris and Smart works, but that is too much to give up from a value standpoint (though adding Jerian Grant makes it closer - though that adds close to 5 million in salary to Boston this year).  Morris, Nader, and Larkin works, but I think Chicago would want more than that (and I'm not sure Boston wants to add 5 million in salary this year especially with the DPE still out there).

Boston still has the DPE to use as well.  So say the first trade is done and Boston signs Monroe for at least part of the DPE

PG - Irving, Grant
SG - Brown, Rozier
SF - Tatum, Ojeleye
PF - Horford, Mirotic
C - Monroe, Baynes

That is a pretty nice 9 to 10 man rotation.

Yeah pretty nice...I guess, but I don't want "pretty nice", I want BANNER #18.  I just don't see  how adding Grant, Mirotic and Monroe while losing Smart (I assume you let him walk) gets them to the next level.

[RJ87]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757117-greg-monroe-rumors-pelicans-interested-in-center-after-demarcus-cousins-injury?share=other

NO is “gaining momentum” on signing Monroe, primarily due to playing time. Of course, but at least this would keep him away from Cleveland, too.

And he's from NO and moved back after Hurricane Katrina to help the community... Yeah, I don't feel good about our chances. The one thing - besides salary - that can give us an edge is that if he performs well here, we can bring him back. NO is still going to be in cap hell this offseason.

[bdm860]

Cousins injury gotta cost us Monroe 😞

Yep, too much pt there.

no money though and how much PT does Monroe need.  Everyone in the league knows what Monroe is.  In fact, he might increase his value more if he comes to a place like Boston and becomes a sort of super sub type player.

Plus, what's Monroe's long term plan?

So he goes to NO for 30 games + maybe 4-5 playoff games, then what?  Then he goes to a new team in 2018 when NO ends up re-signing Cousins and there's no longer any room for him in NO?  What kind of offers is Monroe getting in the open market in 2018?  I don't see him getting a good contract from a contender.

Or he can go to Boston, get $8.4m this year, and 120% of that next year, and at least have a little more stability then what NO offers.  Sure he'll be trade bait (and who knows, maybe even gets traded back to NO for Davis).

But I don't know what Monroe would get out of a temporary stay in NO.  Doesn't set himself up for a nice playoff run this year, likely doesn't set himself up for another contract with NO (unless they let Cousins walks) and likely doesn't increase his value in the 2018 free agent market when cap space is limited.

[CelticsElite]

Cousins injury gotta cost us Monroe 😞

Yep, too much pt there.

no money though and how much PT does Monroe need.  Everyone in the league knows what Monroe is.  In fact, he might increase his value more if he comes to a place like Boston and becomes a sort of super sub type player.

Plus, what's Monroe's long term plan?

So he goes to NO for 30 games + maybe 4-5 playoff games, then what?  Then he goes to a new team in 2018 when NO ends up re-signing Cousins and there's no longer any room for him in NO?  What kind of offers is Monroe getting in the open market in 2018?  I don't see him getting a good contract from a contender.

Or he can go to Boston, get $8.4m this year, and 120% of that next year, and at least have a little more stability then what NO offers.  Sure he'll be trade bait (and who knows, maybe even gets traded back to NO for Davis).

But I don't know what Monroe would get out of a temporary stay in NO.  Doesn't set himself up for a nice playoff run this year, likely doesn't set himself up for another contract with NO (unless they let Cousins walks) and likely doesn't increase his value in the 2018 free agent market when cap space is limited.

just like noel, he is delusional and thinks there is a big market out for a dinosaur center

[Roy H.]

Cousins injury gotta cost us Monroe 😞

Yep, too much pt there.

no money though and how much PT does Monroe need.  Everyone in the league knows what Monroe is.  In fact, he might increase his value more if he comes to a place like Boston and becomes a sort of super sub type player.

There’s also a huge added benefit in being coached by a top-five coach, opposed to a bottom five one.

[jambr380]

Cousins injury gotta cost us Monroe 😞

Yep, too much pt there.

no money though and how much PT does Monroe need.  Everyone in the league knows what Monroe is.  In fact, he might increase his value more if he comes to a place like Boston and becomes a sort of super sub type player.

Plus, what's Monroe's long term plan?

So he goes to NO for 30 games + maybe 4-5 playoff games, then what?  Then he goes to a new team in 2018 when NO ends up re-signing Cousins and there's no longer any room for him in NO?  What kind of offers is Monroe getting in the open market in 2018?  I don't see him getting a good contract from a contender.

Or he can go to Boston, get $8.4m this year, and 120% of that next year, and at least have a little more stability then what NO offers.  Sure he'll be trade bait (and who knows, maybe even gets traded back to NO for Davis).

But I don't know what Monroe would get out of a temporary stay in NO.  Doesn't set himself up for a nice playoff run this year, likely doesn't set himself up for another contract with NO (unless they let Cousins walks) and likely doesn't increase his value in the 2018 free agent market when cap space is limited.

Big TP for later trading Monroe to NO for Davis. Perfect salary filler and we would be sending him to a place he would love to go. It’s almost too good to be true.

[Moranis]

Isn't Mirotic worth holding out for? We need to keep those driving lanes open. Mirotic keeps space open and can hit from deep. Monroe's nice but does he fit our system? Could be a wasted spot.

No.


Especially since I imagine he will be traded.  There is an interest out there for him.

There is interest, but he can veto a trade and has already done so.  He can’t veto a trade if the Bulls/the team acquiring him pick up his $12.5 million option next season.  It’s not clear that a team wants to do this.

But if you are the Bulls, can't you also wait till next offseason and move him then?

Only if they pick up the team option.  And given that right now teams don’t seem to want that option picked up, they might not have any more luck next summer.  And they do want to make a real run at a free agent or two, so they don’t want to get got holding his deal.

And given that Mirotic can tell teams don’t want his option, it gives him an idea on his market value next year, which is all the more reason for him to try to hold out to get it picked up.

Frankly, I think I'm ok with Boston picking up his option next year.  Mirotic is the exact type of PF this team could use offensively.  The team is missing someone in that KO role and that is Mirotic.  The problem of course is trying to come up with a good salary mix going out.  Morris and Smart works, but that is too much to give up from a value standpoint (though adding Jerian Grant makes it closer - though that adds close to 5 million in salary to Boston this year).  Morris, Nader, and Larkin works, but I think Chicago would want more than that (and I'm not sure Boston wants to add 5 million in salary this year especially with the DPE still out there).

Boston still has the DPE to use as well.  So say the first trade is done and Boston signs Monroe for at least part of the DPE

PG - Irving, Grant
SG - Brown, Rozier
SF - Tatum, Ojeleye
PF - Horford, Mirotic
C - Monroe, Baynes

That is a pretty nice 9 to 10 man rotation.

Yeah pretty nice...I guess, but I don't want "pretty nice", I want BANNER #18.  I just don't see  how adding Grant, Mirotic and Monroe while losing Smart (I assume you let him walk) gets them to the next level.

what moves are you making this year that are yielding Banner 18?

[Birdman]

What's our next option?? Monroe going to new Orleans...Noel?

[jambr380]

Ryan Bernardoni
@dangercart
 1h1 hour ago
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The Celtics using the DPE on Monroe, thus freeing the team to trade Baynes as a mid-sized expiring makes a lot of sense...
https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/958900188273356800


Interesting............

This is interesting.

Let’s say we also trade for Tyreke using a 1st and filler, we could expand a Baynes trade to a Baynes/Morris/Smart trade which would give us outgoing salaries of about $14M combined. I wonder who we could pursue with that. It would likelly have to be a swing or a big with Baynes/Morris outgoing.

This isn’t necessarily realistic,  but it just goes to show how much Ainge has to work with.

I am also not ready to give up on Hayward.

[CelticsElite]

What's our next option?? Monroe going to new Orleans...Noel?

noel, chandler, mirotic, brook lopez are all rumored to be cit

Noel grew up in Massachusetts so it would be great for him to come like monroe wanting new Orleans

[Sophomore]

What's our next option?? Monroe going to new Orleans...Noel?

Did you see a Monroe-to-New Orleans deal reported somewhere? I don't see it online.

[saltlover]

Ryan Bernardoni
@dangercart
 1h1 hour ago
More
The Celtics using the DPE on Monroe, thus freeing the team to trade Baynes as a mid-sized expiring makes a lot of sense...
https://twitter.com/dangercart/status/958900188273356800


Interesting............

This is interesting.

Let’s say we also trade for Tyreke using a 1st and filler, we could expand a Baynes trade to a Baynes/Morris/Smart trade which would give us outgoing salaries of about $14M combined. I wonder who we could pursue with that. It would likelly have to be a swing or a big with Baynes/Morris outgoing.

This isn’t necessarily realistic,  but it just goes to show how much Ainge has to work with.

I am also not ready to give up on Hayward.

Saw this yesterday, but I don’t think it has a lot of legs.  Baynes and Monroe have different skillets, and the minutes for Monroe could come partly from Baynes, partly from Horford, and partly from Theis.  With only three functional bigs (sorry Yabu), it’s a thin frontcourt.