Kuzma-"we don't like them"

[Moranis]

I'd be ok with a rule that said only players on the first year of a NBA contract are rookies.  Anything other than that is just too messy.  Of course I don't really have any issue with Simmons being considered a rookie either since he didn't actually play any games until this year.  I mean in baseball, September call-ups can play in the MLB and then they can still be considered rookies the following season, which just seems ridiculous.

[Ilikesports17]

Aside from the ridiculous takes and incoherent writing, did you just make up that Kuzma quote?

Can't find it anywhere else.

I looked too and couldn't find. I doubt Kuzma actually said that because surely more people, especially guys that cover the team, would've been all over it.

Found his quotes.

He did say it

RE: Rivalry:

“It was good. It’s probably one of the best rivalries in all of sports. We don’t really like them, so it’s going to be a good rivalry going forward.”
RE: First quarter:

“We didn’t come out ready to play… Second half came and we took their punches and got back in the game. But first quarter we really dug ourselves in a hole.”
RE: On guarding Kyrie:

“It was cool. I think I did a good job. He’s just a great player.”

[Ilikesports17]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

Not a rookie in my mind, just a Embiid was NOT one in my mind last year either!  Is Their a rookie?

Smitty77

This gets messy real quick.   Semi Ojeleye played three years in college and is 23 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Abdel Nader was stashed a year in the D/G-League and is 24 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Daniel Theis, as you mentioned, played pro ball in Europe and is 25 years old.  Is he a rookie?  Guerschon Yabusele played pro ball in Europe and then a stash year of pro ball in China and is 22 years old.  Is he a rookie?   All these guys are, of course, older than Simmons (21).

Larry Bird played three years in Indiana St and was 23 in his first year in the NBA.  Was he a 'rookie'?  He won Rookie of the Year in 1979-80.

I think those are all mostly irrelevant when people bring this up. The argument is that having a year of working with NBA trainers, Nutritionists and coaching/practicing, living in a million dollar home or 5 star hotel is completely different than a college student that has strict limits on practice hours, can not receive gifts or food, has to attend and pass enough classes to become eligible, is sleeping in a dorm room or mostly low level house near the university etc... I do think by that same vein that foreign players should not be considered rookies either. It was fairly ridiculous debating what all rookie team 33 year old Pablo prigioni should have made.

your first year on a professional basketball team should be your rookie year.

[CelticsElite]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

Not a rookie in my mind, just a Embiid was NOT one in my mind last year either!  Is Their a rookie?

Smitty77

This gets messy real quick.   Semi Ojeleye played three years in college and is 23 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Abdel Nader was stashed a year in the D/G-League and is 24 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Daniel Theis, as you mentioned, played pro ball in Europe and is 25 years old.  Is he a rookie?  Guerschon Yabusele played pro ball in Europe and then a stash year of pro ball in China and is 22 years old.  Is he a rookie?   All these guys are, of course, older than Simmons (21).

Larry Bird played three years in Indiana St and was 23 in his first year in the NBA.  Was he a 'rookie'?  He won Rookie of the Year in 1979-80.

I think those are all mostly irrelevant when people bring this up. The argument is that having a year of working with NBA trainers, Nutritionists and coaching/practicing, living in a million dollar home or 5 star hotel is completely different than a college student that has strict limits on practice hours, can not receive gifts or food, has to attend and pass enough classes to become eligible, is sleeping in a dorm room or mostly low level house near the university etc... I do think by that same vein that foreign players should not be considered rookies either. It was fairly ridiculous debating what all rookie team 33 year old Pablo prigioni should have made.

your first year on a professional basketball team should be your rookie year.

yup. Simmons has a big unfair advantage being with world class coaches/trainers/nutritionists, etc

[tazzmaniac]

Eddie 20 you sure you looked celtics.com "thats what he said" there are three sets of Quotes 1)Walton.
2)Randle
3)Kuzma
You seem willing to go to any length that included accusations of intoxication or meds then the outright lie claiming an apology to your My Messages-i don't drink and on no altering medications.
Hows the hate on semi doing you
He now taking it to the hoop ,much more aggressively and now is immortalized after closing out Smarts no look pass with Irving like spin off the backboard-Guess Brad and team told him to get aggressive on closeouts'..
Did you find it yet eddie20-don't like them -don't really like them- how was that out of context

Eddie 20's post matched the Celtics.com Kuzma quote.  I think it is great that Kuzma said that.  I want to see player and team rivalries with some bad blood.  The Lakers aren't supposed to like us and we aren't supposed to like them. 

[mmmmm]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

Not a rookie in my mind, just a Embiid was NOT one in my mind last year either!  Is Their a rookie?

Smitty77

This gets messy real quick.   Semi Ojeleye played three years in college and is 23 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Abdel Nader was stashed a year in the D/G-League and is 24 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Daniel Theis, as you mentioned, played pro ball in Europe and is 25 years old.  Is he a rookie?  Guerschon Yabusele played pro ball in Europe and then a stash year of pro ball in China and is 22 years old.  Is he a rookie?   All these guys are, of course, older than Simmons (21).

Larry Bird played three years in Indiana St and was 23 in his first year in the NBA.  Was he a 'rookie'?  He won Rookie of the Year in 1979-80.

I think those are all mostly irrelevant when people bring this up. The argument is that having a year of working with NBA trainers, Nutritionists and coaching/practicing, living in a million dollar home or 5 star hotel is completely different than a college student that has strict limits on practice hours, can not receive gifts or food, has to attend and pass enough classes to become eligible, is sleeping in a dorm room or mostly low level house near the university etc... I do think by that same vein that foreign players should not be considered rookies either. It was fairly ridiculous debating what all rookie team 33 year old Pablo prigioni should have made.

your first year on a professional basketball team should be your rookie year.

So a European player like Luka Doncic, who will be age 19 during his first year in the NBA next year ... would not be a 'rookie'?   Because he is already playing for a professional basketball team.

The problem here, is that fans typically want a definition that filters out competitors to their favorite rookie.   But most such definitions are just as arbitrary as the current official one, which is simply the first year of playing in the NBA.

That definition may not be perfect.  But it is traditional and simple and not really any sillier than most other proposals.

[Bobshot]

Especially at the beginning of the game, the Lonzo Love Affair was sickening.

Pure big market TV rubbish.

[Ilikesports17]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

Not a rookie in my mind, just a Embiid was NOT one in my mind last year either!  Is Their a rookie?

Smitty77

This gets messy real quick.   Semi Ojeleye played three years in college and is 23 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Abdel Nader was stashed a year in the D/G-League and is 24 years old.  Is he a rookie?   Daniel Theis, as you mentioned, played pro ball in Europe and is 25 years old.  Is he a rookie?  Guerschon Yabusele played pro ball in Europe and then a stash year of pro ball in China and is 22 years old.  Is he a rookie?   All these guys are, of course, older than Simmons (21).

Larry Bird played three years in Indiana St and was 23 in his first year in the NBA.  Was he a 'rookie'?  He won Rookie of the Year in 1979-80.

I think those are all mostly irrelevant when people bring this up. The argument is that having a year of working with NBA trainers, Nutritionists and coaching/practicing, living in a million dollar home or 5 star hotel is completely different than a college student that has strict limits on practice hours, can not receive gifts or food, has to attend and pass enough classes to become eligible, is sleeping in a dorm room or mostly low level house near the university etc... I do think by that same vein that foreign players should not be considered rookies either. It was fairly ridiculous debating what all rookie team 33 year old Pablo prigioni should have made.

your first year on a professional basketball team should be your rookie year.

So a European player like Luka Doncic, who will be age 19 during his first year in the NBA next year ... would not be a 'rookie'?   Because he is already playing for a professional basketball team.

The problem here, is that fans typically want a definition that filters out competitors to their favorite rookie.   But most such definitions are just as arbitrary as the current official one, which is simply the first year of playing in the NBA.

That definition may not be perfect.  But it is traditional and simple and not really any sillier than most other proposals.

Yeah.

Luka Doncic has been employed by a professional basketball team.

He isn't a rookie imo.

Don't have a huge problem with the definition, just think mine is a bit better.