Kuzma-"we don't like them"

[rollie mass]

Another day, another new Rollie thread about everyone else’s young players being busts.

Not close to the truth only Simmons,Fultz and Ball because they are in running or were for ROY with Tatum - for months you and House have complained about Semmi posts, Nader update posts during the James Young era and i was making him into an all star i kept posting better than Young and a bench player then accused me of neglecting him when semi turned up and was better on defense and can hit the three.
To repeat Simmons is 21 and had a year on the scene to get stronger and adjust and he can't shoot a bit from outside,Ball has no mid range shot and has trouble finishing and hitting threes-Ball has a flawed shot
Simmons doesn't know what hand to use
And Fultz situation is a farce-

[moiso]

Tatum is as complete a rookie as any rookie we will ever see.  He shoots it great and he even looks average in the areas he was supposedly weak in.  He’s going to be an absolutely awesome player.  But he’s the exception, not the rule.  99% of the rookies come into the league with glaring weaknesses- everybody from Jalen Brown to Lebron James and Dwyane Wade.  All rookies have things to work on and most need work on their shooting.  I don’t understand calling a rookie a bust a few games into their career.  It makes no sense, even if they struggle at first.

[RockinRyA]

Stop it,spiteful,hyperbole,baseless speculation,irrational-
Philly has been tanking for years
Simmons can't shoot from outside
Kuzma stated "we don't like them"
Press is fawning over Simmons and Ball
The press has underated Al Horford-Average Al
Fultz,Ball and Simmons can't shot or have no mid range
While Tatum is knocking down three's ,playing defense,rebounding and is unflawed at 19 yrs old
Crowder was not a fan of Hayward and was traded along with an upset Isaiah
We have seen how dirty the Cav's were to Celtics (JR) and a blindside screen by Perkins
Crowder fouled him in a very vulnerable position with probably no concern at the time

Why must i rationalize the play of opponents rookies,why do i have to feed into press hype,
why ignore the fact these guys can't shoot or will not shoot
The press is now just turning on philly organization for handling of Fultz
I will certainly attempt to blow the candles out of Philly's and Lakers players and rookies  and praise Celtics players which gets called hyperbole.
I have never heard STOP IT to Marcus critics

i posted bust now that means at this moment- for their draft position or hype-

You are ridiculous. Nobody is saying Simmons can shoot, but its flat out wrong to say they cannot improve, or claim that anyone is a bust after a month! No one can be a bust after month! You draft a player for what you hope they will become, you cannot judge that in a month, hence no, they are not busts, just like Yabu isnt a bust nor Nader no matter how horrible they have looked in Celtics uniform. Why can't you understand such simple facts?!

You have never heard STOP IT to Marcus' critics? If I show you posts defending Marcus will you stop posting nonsense?! Just look at the last few pages of the Celtics-Lakers gamethread, there are a whole bunch of debate with regards to his performance, a couple of Smart critics and a number of supporters. Now you know why your statements are hyperbolic?

I dislike Crowder but I am sorry, what happened to Hayward was an accident. These people will give a hard foul here and there, but they will never intentionally hurt someone like that. Plus Crowder doesnt dislike Hayward, he just doesnt like getting benched for him.

Tatum as "unflawed" again another hyperbole. He is a very good prospect who is playing very well right now. But he is not without weakness. His playmaking for others is a bit lacking right now, and he needs to bulk up to prevent being bodied inside.

Horford isnt underrated by the press. In fact he is still mentioned as part of our three "all-stars" when he wasn't one last year. They know how good he is, its mostly fans that underrate him.

[rollie mass]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype and that was Ball and Fultz
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point, he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break and  he is runaway for Rookie of Year

Hard fall while elevated is having no regard for potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

[moiso]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

Simmons isn’t a “bust now” and is not even slightly dissapointing so far.  His coach thinks he’s far more athletic than than the Sixers though when they drafted him, he’s running the team and almost averaging a triple double.  If he was a Celtic you would be talking about Simmons being rusty rather than having a year to get stronger.

[Roy H.]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

[Monkhouse]

Simmons is dropping 18/9.7/8.....

Those are ridiculously good numbers... The fact that he can't shoot limits his ceiling, but his ceiling is pretty darn high to begin with..

[spikelovetheCelts]

Stop it,spiteful,hyperbole,baseless speculation,irrational-
Philly has been tanking for years
Simmons can't shoot from outside
Kuzma stated "we don't like them"
Press is fawning over Simmons and Ball
The press has underated Al Horford-Average Al
Fultz,Ball and Simmons can't shot or have no mid range
While Tatum is knocking down three's ,playing defense,rebounding and is unflawed at 19 yrs old
Crowder was not a fan of Hayward and was traded along with an upset Isaiah
We have seen how dirty the Cav's were to Celtics (JR) and a blindside screen by Perkins
Crowder fouled him in a very vulnerable position with probably no concern at the time

Where is spite or baseless speculation-i see flaws you can drive a truck through-which are tough to fix

Why must i rationalize the play of opponents rookies,why do i have to feed into press hype,
why ignore the fact these guys can't shoot or will not shoot
The press is now just turning on philly organization for handling of Fultz
I will certainly attempt to blow the candles out of Philly's and Lakers players and rookies  and praise Celtics players which gets called hyperbole.
I have never heard STOP IT to Marcus critics

i posted bust now that means at this moment- for their draft position or hype-

I think Brad knows how to find the right fit of player for the system he wants to apply. He wanted Tatum, Brown and Semi.
Philly went with what others said on Fultz. They nailed Simmons And Elbrid. But I like our future better than the Lakers and Philly. Brad's system will only get better and KI is going to get better too.

[mmmmm]

Why must i rationalize the play of opponents rookies,why do i have to feed into press hype,

You don't.   Is someone forcing you to do so?

My advice:  Just watch the basketball on the court and let it all unfold as it will unfold.   No one is forcing you to have to buy into (or offer up yourself) a projection of what the future must be in order for them to pat themselves on the back for their foresight (or conveniently forget was ever tendered, should it fail to come to pass).

[Smitty77]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

Not a rookie in my mind, just a Embiid was NOT one in my mind last year either!  Is Their a rookie?

Smitty77

[No Nickname]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

I'm trying to come up with a football analogy for Simmons, but it's tough.  He's like a quarterback who never misses on the short intermediate routes, audibles perfectly based on the defenses he sees every time, checks down on his receivers when they're covered until he finds the open man, can tuck the ball and run it for plus yards when the situation allows, but he can't hit the deep out, the wide open deep balls, or the over the shoulder passes to WRs. 

He keeps moving the chains, and helping his team score points, yet he does have one glaring flaw.

Win a championship and none of that matters though.

[Moranis]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

I'm trying to come up with a football analogy for Simmons, but it's tough.  He's like a quarterback who never misses on the short intermediate routes, audibles perfectly based on the defenses he sees every time, checks down on his receivers when they're covered until he finds the open man, can tuck the ball and run it for plus yards when the situation allows, but he can't hit the deep out, the wide open deep balls, or the over the shoulder passes to WRs. 

He keeps moving the chains, and helping his team score points, yet he does have one glaring flaw.

Win a championship and none of that matters though.

Peyton Manning?  Not exactly a guy known for a big arm, but did everything else at an all time great level.

[Eddie20]

Rollie, why the constant need to be defensive and seemingly hostile every time someone disagrees with you? You need to relax, man. We're all Celtics fans, but that doesn't mean we have to agree with your illogical rants.

[kozlodoev]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

For the first 55 or so years of the NBA, there was no defensive three-second violation. Notice a correlation there?

[celticsclay]

If you read i posted" bust now" not once but twice -as to draft position and hype
a rookie of year that can't shoot to the point he almost never shoots from outside-gimme a break he runaway for Rookie of Year
Hard fall while elevated is having no reard foe potential injury-that foul was not going to end well

For the first 60 or so years of the NBA, nobody cared if a PF could shoot from the outside. Simmons is scoring, rebounding, and passing at an impressive level.  He’s averaging 18 / 10 / 8 as a rookie, and you’re critiquing him?

I'm trying to come up with a football analogy for Simmons, but it's tough.  He's like a quarterback who never misses on the short intermediate routes, audibles perfectly based on the defenses he sees every time, checks down on his receivers when they're covered until he finds the open man, can tuck the ball and run it for plus yards when the situation allows, but he can't hit the deep out, the wide open deep balls, or the over the shoulder passes to WRs. 

He keeps moving the chains, and helping his team score points, yet he does have one glaring flaw.

Win a championship and none of that matters though.

Peyton Manning?  Not exactly a guy known for a big arm, but did everything else at an all time great level.

Not that I think this is a good analogy for Simmons, but that would be Alex Smith more than Peyton Manning most likely.