Adam Silver needs to intervene w/ trade. (Stern intervened w/ Jeff Green trade)

[CelticsElite]

The Jeff Green situation is a different situation. In that case a trade was completed and subsequently information came to light that the Celtics didn't have all the information they needed at the time of the trade to make the most educated decision they could. In the Irving-Thomas case the deal hasn't actually completed yet, it's conditional on both players passing their physicals. It's not known whether or not Thomas has passed his physical - presumably this whole play from the Cavs to extract more assets is what they want to pass his physical and complete the deal.

But right now there's no deal, completing the deal requires passing physicals. This is just a negotiating tactic ("threaten to back out at the last minute unless you give me what I want") by the Cavs to see if they can turn a really good deal for them into an even better one. I'm guessing though that Ainge had factored this move of theirs into his calculus and had probably baked in the cost of giving up a second rounder to consummate the deal even before he agreed to the trade. He knows that they won't pull the plug on it, too much to lose on their end as well as the Celtics'. They will figure something out but it will involve at most a second round pick to allow the Cavs to feel good about themselves.

if the deal didn't complete, why did the nba announce it

https://instagram.com/p/BYHgMlilKmE/

[ozgod]

The Jeff Green situation is a different situation. In that case a trade was completed and subsequently information came to light that the Celtics didn't have all the information they needed at the time of the trade to make the most educated decision they could. In the Irving-Thomas case the deal hasn't actually completed yet, it's conditional on both players passing their physicals. It's not known whether or not Thomas has passed his physical - presumably this whole play from the Cavs to extract more assets is what they want to pass his physical and complete the deal.

But right now there's no deal, completing the deal requires passing physicals. This is just a negotiating tactic ("threaten to back out at the last minute unless you give me what I want") by the Cavs to see if they can turn a really good deal for them into an even better one. I'm guessing though that Ainge had factored this move of theirs into his calculus and had probably baked in the cost of giving up a second rounder to consummate the deal even before he agreed to the trade. He knows that they won't pull the plug on it, too much to lose on their end as well as the Celtics'. They will figure something out but it will involve at most a second round pick to allow the Cavs to feel good about themselves.

if the deal didn't complete, why did the nba announce it

Pending medicals, like all trades I would suggest. The assumption would be that both sides have been fully forthcoming and transparent when it comes to things like injuries and the medical should just be something that confirms that.

[CelticsElite]

I think Adam Silver needs to step in at this point. He can be that neutral third party as to whether additional compensation is warranted.

Quick question, I could be wrong, but isn't surgery up to the player and not the team?

exactly. This is a rare situation where medical diagnosis vary by doctors post trade

[CelticsElite]

The Jeff Green situation is a different situation. In that case a trade was completed and subsequently information came to light that the Celtics didn't have all the information they needed at the time of the trade to make the most educated decision they could. In the Irving-Thomas case the deal hasn't actually completed yet, it's conditional on both players passing their physicals. It's not known whether or not Thomas has passed his physical - presumably this whole play from the Cavs to extract more assets is what they want to pass his physical and complete the deal.

But right now there's no deal, completing the deal requires passing physicals. This is just a negotiating tactic ("threaten to back out at the last minute unless you give me what I want") by the Cavs to see if they can turn a really good deal for them into an even better one. I'm guessing though that Ainge had factored this move of theirs into his calculus and had probably baked in the cost of giving up a second rounder to consummate the deal even before he agreed to the trade. He knows that they won't pull the plug on it, too much to lose on their end as well as the Celtics'. They will figure something out but it will involve at most a second round pick to allow the Cavs to feel good about themselves.

if the deal didn't complete, why did the nba announce it

Pending medicals, like all trades I would suggest. The assumption would be that both sides have been fully forthcoming and transparent when it comes to things like injuries and the medical should just be something that confirms that.

https://instagram.com/p/BYHgMlilKmE/

[Tr1boy]

The Jeff Green situation is a different situation. In that case a trade was completed and subsequently information came to light that the Celtics didn't have all the information they needed at the time of the trade to make the most educated decision they could. In the Irving-Thomas case the deal hasn't actually completed yet, it's conditional on both players passing their physicals. It's not known whether or not Thomas has passed his physical - presumably this whole play from the Cavs to extract more assets is what they want to pass his physical and complete the deal.

But right now there's no deal, completing the deal requires passing physicals. This is just a negotiating tactic ("threaten to back out at the last minute unless you give me what I want") by the Cavs to see if they can turn a really good deal for them into an even better one. I'm guessing though that Ainge had factored this move of theirs into his calculus and had probably baked in the cost of giving up a second rounder to consummate the deal even before he agreed to the trade. He knows that they won't pull the plug on it, too much to lose on their end as well as the Celtics'. They will figure something out but it will involve at most a second round pick to allow the Cavs to feel good about themselves.

This is the end game...but the Cavs will aim higher... make Danny sweat...especially by leaking out rumors they are now speaking to teams xyz, to see if they can re up their offers

anyone know if this dirty maneuver is allowed btw?

[ozgod]

The Jeff Green situation is a different situation. In that case a trade was completed and subsequently information came to light that the Celtics didn't have all the information they needed at the time of the trade to make the most educated decision they could. In the Irving-Thomas case the deal hasn't actually completed yet, it's conditional on both players passing their physicals. It's not known whether or not Thomas has passed his physical - presumably this whole play from the Cavs to extract more assets is what they want to pass his physical and complete the deal.

But right now there's no deal, completing the deal requires passing physicals. This is just a negotiating tactic ("threaten to back out at the last minute unless you give me what I want") by the Cavs to see if they can turn a really good deal for them into an even better one. I'm guessing though that Ainge had factored this move of theirs into his calculus and had probably baked in the cost of giving up a second rounder to consummate the deal even before he agreed to the trade. He knows that they won't pull the plug on it, too much to lose on their end as well as the Celtics'. They will figure something out but it will involve at most a second round pick to allow the Cavs to feel good about themselves.

if the deal didn't complete, why did the nba announce it

Pending medicals, like all trades I would suggest. The assumption would be that both sides have been fully forthcoming and transparent when it comes to things like injuries and the medical should just be something that confirms that.

https://instagram.com/p/BYHgMlilKmE/

As I mentioned above:

All players are required to pass a physical after a trade, and Thomas — an All-Star coming off of a career season — is no different. If the Cavaliers are not satisfied with the outcome of Thomas’s physical, they can void the trade and deal Irving elsewhere.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/25/16207740/isaiah-thomas-physical-kyrie-irving-trade-cavs-celtics

I would bet against the trade being voided, unless both sides engage in some really stupid brinkmanship and are willing to cut their noses off to spite their faces. That's probably when Silver could step in and draw both sides back from the brink by bringing them back to the negotiating table.

[kozlodoev]

I think Adam Silver needs to step in at this point. He can be that neutral third party as to whether additional compensation is warranted.

Quick question, I could be wrong, but isn't surgery up to the player and not the team?

exactly. This is a rare situation where medical diagnosis vary by doctors post trade

Have you ever bought a house? Let me explain how it works. After you agree on the deal, you typically run an inspection. For all practical purposes, if you're not satisfied with the results of that inspection, you can back out. The seller can't and won't try to prove to you whether your concerns are warranted or not. Isaiah Thomas' physical is the same thing.

[ozgod]

The Jeff Green situation is a different situation. In that case a trade was completed and subsequently information came to light that the Celtics didn't have all the information they needed at the time of the trade to make the most educated decision they could. In the Irving-Thomas case the deal hasn't actually completed yet, it's conditional on both players passing their physicals. It's not known whether or not Thomas has passed his physical - presumably this whole play from the Cavs to extract more assets is what they want to pass his physical and complete the deal.

But right now there's no deal, completing the deal requires passing physicals. This is just a negotiating tactic ("threaten to back out at the last minute unless you give me what I want") by the Cavs to see if they can turn a really good deal for them into an even better one. I'm guessing though that Ainge had factored this move of theirs into his calculus and had probably baked in the cost of giving up a second rounder to consummate the deal even before he agreed to the trade. He knows that they won't pull the plug on it, too much to lose on their end as well as the Celtics'. They will figure something out but it will involve at most a second round pick to allow the Cavs to feel good about themselves.

This is the end game...but the Cavs will aim higher... make Danny sweat...especially by leaking out rumors they are now speaking to teams xyz, to see if they can re up their offers

anyone know if this dirty maneuver is allowed btw?

I don't know about being allowed, I would assume they can't talk to other teams without voiding the trade first, but how do you police a leak that says "a high ranking source says someone from Cavs had a friendly conversation with someone from Phoenix" and know if it's true or not? And yes I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. They're trying to play a bit of hardball and see how much Danny will blink. Not really very ethical, assuming the Celtics have truly been forthright in sharing all the info they can. If you get a rep as a dirty negotiator then not many teams will end up negotiating with you.

[green_bballers13]

The Jeff Green situation is a different situation. In that case a trade was completed and subsequently information came to light that the Celtics didn't have all the information they needed at the time of the trade to make the most educated decision they could. In the Irving-Thomas case the deal hasn't actually completed yet, it's conditional on both players passing their physicals. It's not known whether or not Thomas has passed his physical - presumably this whole play from the Cavs to extract more assets is what they want to pass his physical and complete the deal.

But right now there's no deal, completing the deal requires passing physicals. This is just a negotiating tactic ("threaten to back out at the last minute unless you give me what I want") by the Cavs to see if they can turn a really good deal for them into an even better one. I'm guessing though that Ainge had factored this move of theirs into his calculus and had probably baked in the cost of giving up a second rounder to consummate the deal even before he agreed to the trade. He knows that they won't pull the plug on it, too much to lose on their end as well as the Celtics'. They will figure something out but it will involve at most a second round pick to allow the Cavs to feel good about themselves.

This is the end game...but the Cavs will aim higher... make Danny sweat...especially by leaking out rumors they are now speaking to teams xyz, to see if they can re up their offers

anyone know if this dirty maneuver is allowed btw?

Not sure about the bylaw, but I assume they would have to prove that CLE wasn't acting in good faith. Prob. hard to prove.

[Fafnir]

Not sharing all information OKC had is why Stern intervened.

Even if the C's shared everything they knew Thomas could easily have still failed the physical that CLE's doctors took. That is enough to void the trade.

[johnnygreen]

I think Adam Silver needs to step in at this point. He can be that neutral third party as to whether additional compensation is warranted.

Quick question, I could be wrong, but isn't surgery up to the player and not the team?

exactly. This is a rare situation where medical diagnosis vary by doctors post trade

Have you ever bought a house? Let me explain how it works. After you agree on the deal, you typically run an inspection. For all practical purposes, if you're not satisfied with the results of that inspection, you can back out. The seller can't and won't try to prove to you whether your concerns are warranted or not. Isaiah Thomas' physical is the same thing.

To use your house example. This would be like the seller saying the roof needs to be replaced. The buyer acknowledges the roof concern and agrees on the deal. The buyer still needs to go through with the inspection for the loan. Then the buyer backs out of the deal because the inspector tells him the roof needs to be replaced.

[Tr1boy]

IT4 was 'as-is' part of the deal .... that is why Zizic and the 2018 Nets pick were included

many have stated this deal is lopsided as the Cavs received alot of pieces for Kyrie

nobody is going to be sure IT4 is going to require surgery (not a broken bone) or that he is going to miss a few months or half a season.    Not even medical experts will know for certain

If IT4 is able to jog without pain vs he is not able to jog and still hobbling --- would love to know this. 

[Fafnir]

IT4 was 'as-is' part of the deal .... that is why Zizic and the 2018 Nets pick were included

Given that he was still subject to a physical and the trade is contingent on said physical this is demonstrably untrue.

[CelticsElite]

I think Adam Silver needs to step in at this point. He can be that neutral third party as to whether additional compensation is warranted.

Quick question, I could be wrong, but isn't surgery up to the player and not the team?

exactly. This is a rare situation where medical diagnosis vary by doctors post trade

Have you ever bought a house? Let me explain how it works. After you agree on the deal, you typically run an inspection. For all practical purposes, if you're not satisfied with the results of that inspection, you can back out. The seller can't and won't try to prove to you whether your concerns are warranted or not. Isaiah Thomas' physical is the same thing.

To use your house example. This would be like the seller saying the roof needs to be replaced. The buyer acknowledges the roof concern and agrees on the deal. The buyer still needs to go through with the inspection for the loan. Then the buyer backs out of the deal because the inspector tells him the roof needs to be replaced.

exactly. The condition of the house was not a secret

[ozgod]

I think Adam Silver needs to step in at this point. He can be that neutral third party as to whether additional compensation is warranted.

Quick question, I could be wrong, but isn't surgery up to the player and not the team?

exactly. This is a rare situation where medical diagnosis vary by doctors post trade

Have you ever bought a house? Let me explain how it works. After you agree on the deal, you typically run an inspection. For all practical purposes, if you're not satisfied with the results of that inspection, you can back out. The seller can't and won't try to prove to you whether your concerns are warranted or not. Isaiah Thomas' physical is the same thing.

To use your house example. This would be like the seller saying the roof needs to be replaced. The buyer acknowledges the roof concern and agrees on the deal. The buyer still needs to go through with the inspection for the loan. Then the buyer backs out of the deal because the inspector tells him the roof needs to be replaced.

To extend the house example a bit further, I guess it depends on whether the seller told you the roof needs to be replaced, or could be fixed  and you could still live in the house while the repairs were being done, it would just be a bit inconvenient, and here is approx. how much it would cost. Building repairs and their cost, like injuries are rarely black and white.

For roof replacement, read IT needs surgery. For roof repair, read IT has an injury that could delay his season. For the cost of repairs, let's assume the Celtics gave them IT's medical records.

My guess is that the Celtics said the roof needed to be fixed, and the cost of fixing has been factored into the house price, but the Cavs did the inspection and are saying it can't be fixed, it needs to be replaced at additional cost. The quibble is about that "additional cost".