SI.com: Danny's summer was a flop, second worst among "notable" teams

[mutineer33]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

[fairweatherfan]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

We've signed 2 All-Stars, one late in his prime and one early, in 2 offseasons.  In that time we've gone from swept in a 1st round and lucky to be there to a conference finals. It doesn't have to be the summer of 07 to be a major step forward.

[saltlover]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

How many teams have signed free agents coming off All-Star appearances in consecutive seasons?  I honestly don't know how many more fireworks you could reasonably expect.  Last year they got the second-best free agent on the market, and this year they got the best one (as players like Curry and Durant were not really on the market).

I'm sorry you don't realize how good of a player Hayward is, nor how well his skills fit into what this team needs.

[ETNCeltics]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Hayward was the best FA available, if you set aside Curry and Durant since they were never on the market. What "firework" was available to us or anyone else not in Golden State?

Met whose expectations? They added the best FA they could possibly get, and added one of the top players in the draft. Few teams added that much talent, let alone kept a high pick in next years draft, and added a potential high pick on top of it.

Anyone who was expecting Butler + Hayward or George + Hayward fireworks was being completely unrealistic. Keeping 4 max or near max players is a practical impossibility, even if you set aside the possibility of PG being a 1 yr rental.

No matter what some fans here think (and I'm not saying I disagree with them), we're not letting IT walk, and there's no realistic way to unload Horford's salary. The guy at Celticshub pointed out today that just keeping the current team + re-signing IT (and Smart) next year would put us in a difficult luxury tax situation. Adding a veteran star's salary on top of what we already have is intolerable and simply never going to happen.

I think the only reasonable beef anyone could have with the Celtics' offseason is if they aren't a fan of Tatum's.

The Celtics didn't fail to meet reasonable expectations. They failed to meet fantasyland expectations.
 

[tarheelsxxiii]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

How many teams have signed free agents coming off All-Star appearances in consecutive seasons?  I honestly don't know how many more fireworks you could reasonably expect.  Last year they got the second-best free agent on the market, and this year they got the best one (as players like Curry and Durant were not really on the market).

I'm sorry you don't realize how good of a player Hayward is, nor how well his skills fit into what this team needs.

There's definitely a general confusion among NBA fans regarding the Celtics' success.  It's clearly a star-driven league, although the few very well-constructed teams (Spurs, Celtics) continue to fare well from one season to the next.  The sum is greater than the parts for this team, and yet we just upgraded a main cog in the machine while also addressing the only glaring holes.

[mutineer33]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

We've signed 2 All-Stars, one late in his prime and one early, in 2 offseasons.  In that time we've gone from swept in a 1st round and lucky to be there to a conference finals. It doesn't have to be the summer of 07 to be a major step forward.

The topic is about "This offseason" not last.  Horford was signed last year. I don't think anyone  is arguing that we have not had a decent rebuild -- due to the ridiculously profitable Brooklyn trade.  Even with Horford (and as much as I think he is under-appreciated by Celtics fans), I am wondering if Ainge would rather have taken a mulligan for that signing.  Part of the reason he was signed was to entice Durant to sign here.  As much as I like AH, he is a not a max player and did not play to all star standards last year.

We finished last year as the 2nd best team in the east and possibly the the 5th or 6th best  team in the league.  That said the gap between us and DC and TOR was neglible ar best, so maybe we were a top 8 team.   We will most likely be the same status this year.  That cannot considered a "big step forward".

We have incrementally improved this year, but expectations were much higher. Many of these expectations have been fueled by the front office and cultivation of the "Trader Danny" persona.

This year feels like another transition year to me.  The real test will come next year when we decide how IT is handled.  I really hope we move on, because a big 3 of IT/GH/AH is not a championship team, much less a super team.  Defense and rebounding still matter.

[smokeablount]

This is pretty much spot on, including this part:

Everyone in basketball has an opinion on what the Celtics are doing with their assets, why they're doing it, and whether it's stupid or brilliant. I'm just not sure it needed to be this complicated

Lol how many times do you want to be embarrassed by Ainge? It's pretty sad fans feel this way. You have no idea how fortunate you are to be a fan of this team ala the Knicks for example. Will enjoy making fun of you when we're contenders. It's not like Ainge hasn't proven you wrong enough times already. Same with Stevens.

I know, Ainge is right even if he's wrong.

Lol I know man. I mean you were right about Fultz so far. You're clearly a genius. Tatum has been so god awful this SL  . We definitely should've drafted Dunn over Brown as well. Shucks, Ainge really sucks. I wish a genius like you could be GM.

Have fun being miserable bro. Like I said, will be fun making fun of you in two years.

I've bolded the important part of your post.

So Fultz looking great in college against worse competition for a 9 win team is better then? Sure...

[fairweatherfan]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

We've signed 2 All-Stars, one late in his prime and one early, in 2 offseasons.  In that time we've gone from swept in a 1st round and lucky to be there to a conference finals. It doesn't have to be the summer of 07 to be a major step forward.

The topic is about "This offseason" not last.  Horford was signed last year. I don't think anyone  is arguing that we have not had a decent rebuild -- due to the ridiculously profitable Brooklyn trade.  Even with Horford (and as much as I think he is under-appreciated by Celtics fans), I am wondering if Ainge would rather have taken a mulligan for that signing.  Part of the reason he was signed was to entice Durant to sign here.  As much as I like AH, he is a not a max player and did not play to all star standards last year.

We finished last year as the 2nd best team in the east and possibly the the 5th or 6th best  team in the league.  That said the gap between us and DC and TOR was neglible ar best, so maybe we are a top 8 team.   We will most likely be the same status this year.  That cannot considered a "big step forward".

We have incrementally improved this year, but expectations were much higher. Many of these expectations have been fueled by the front office and cultivation of the "Trader Danny" persona.

This year feels like another transition year to me.  The real test will come next hear when we decide how IT is handled.  I really hope we move on, because a big 3 of IT/GH/AH is not a championship team, much less a super team.  Defense and rebounding still matter.

I just honestly think adding a young All-Star and a #3 pick to a conference finalist is never an incremental step. My hopes were higher than that but this is pretty in line with my optimistic expectations.

Losing Bradley will hurt, though. But maybe part of the problem is the bar Golden State's set for star talent.

[saltlover]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

We've signed 2 All-Stars, one late in his prime and one early, in 2 offseasons.  In that time we've gone from swept in a 1st round and lucky to be there to a conference finals. It doesn't have to be the summer of 07 to be a major step forward.

The topic is about "This offseason" not last.  Horford was signed last year. I don't think anyone  is arguing that we have not had a decent rebuild -- due to the ridiculously profitable Brooklyn trade.  Even with Horford (and as much as I think he is under-appreciated by Celtics fans), I am wondering if Ainge would rather have taken a mulligan for that signing.  Part of the reason he was signed was to entice Durant to sign here.  As much as I like AH, he is a not a max player and did not play to all star standards last year.

We finished last year as the 2nd best team in the east and possibly the the 5th or 6th best  team in the league.  That said the gap between us and DC and TOR was neglible ar best, so maybe we were a top 8 team.   We will most likely be the same status this year.  That cannot considered a "big step forward".

We have incrementally improved this year, but expectations were much higher. Many of these expectations have been fueled by the front office and cultivation of the "Trader Danny" persona.

This year feels like another transition year to me.  The real test will come next year when we decide how IT is handled.  I really hope we move on, because a big 3 of IT/GH/AH is not a championship team, much less a super team.  Defense and rebounding still matter.

It was about this season, and not last, until you said:

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Your expectations are wholly unreasonable.

[smokeablount]

I agreed with Roy a month ago when he said he would be very happy with Hayward and Fultz in the off season. Fultz turned into Tatum and IMO seems like just a good of a guess when predicting 19 year old kids.

I'm not too disappointed with Tatum. Can't really tell at this age. The proof will be in the pudding, and Ainge just put a lot more pressure on our pudding by trading out of the top spot to get him.

The team did improve because, in fairness, it was hard not to given our situation. That doesn't necessarily mean we had a great offseason. I'm sure our aspirations were bigger, including but not limited to getting Paul George, not having to trade Bradley, and once we had to -- perhaps finding a better deal.

Again, no one has graded this season a failure. But it's most certainly a mixed bag. Giving a gigantic contract to an oft-injured dude with one great season under his belt is not exactly a  clear-cut win.

Wait are you referencing Hayward with this? He hasn't missed more than 10 games in a year since 2012 and has improved his scoring every single season.

He's also never played more than 80, and seems to invariably miss 5-10 games on average each season. I know some people don't care about this, but to me it's not a good indicator.

I'm really surprised, Koz. You're negativity is usually backed by substance. You sure backed your way into a corner on this one.

Yup, we got the frail Hayward, top 10 in minutes played the past 3 seasons. So it makes total sense he thinks our summer wasn't a success- we lost "Ironman" Avery Bradley!

Gotta work on your consistency Koz.

[smokeablount]

S/o to Koz for criticizing Hayward for never playing more than 80 games in a regular season...

Dude has missed: 10, 0, 10, 5, 6, 2, and 9 games in his career.

This blog man...

More than 80 games is a ridiculously stupid bar. Lebron James hasn't played more than 80 games since he was 24 and that was the only time in his career that he did it.

He's quoted the same number about Hayward before, gotten the same response, and has chosen to post it again.

I don't like Griffin's value proposition: near-max deal for an injury prone player approaching his 30's who is dependent on his athleticism/leaping ability. I'm not psyched about George for this team either (I think we should build for the future), but Griffin has DNP written all over him. I don't want to cash in on our flexibility for Griffin.

But you're ok with 75-games-a-season Hayward then? Odd.

Has it escaped your notice that almost every nba start misses 5 or 10 games a year, even those who stay generally healthy?

It's nonsense and trolling, and none of us need to pay attention to it. Koz is LarBrd33 without the wit and substance.

Yup. But I'd be surprised if you get a response, it seems to me that Koz ignores the rebuttals that shut him down and just waits patiently until a less than stellar response comes.

Then he pounces!

[ETNCeltics]

FYI to people who push the myth that Hayward misses a lot of games, check virtually any other star's minutes played and he's right in line with most all stars, and in many cases, has played more.

Some of you have no real point, you're simply contrarians.

[Scintan]

Your expectations are wholly unreasonable.

Unless the media reports and the Pacers GM are both wrong/lying, it seems that Ainge could have set this team up with Paul George for the cost of Bradley/Crowder/picks.  So the idea that Mutineer33's expectations were wholly unreasonable just doesn't fit with the reported facts.

[mutineer33]

I think the point here most are missing, is the Celtics have failed to meet expectations .... again.

The Celtics have been promising "Fireworks" for years now and have not delivered.

Heyward is a nice player, but realistically is the 2nd (or even 3rd) best player on a true championship team.

I was ok with the trade down from #1, but I think it foolish that so many here are annointing Tatum the next PP after watching a few college videos and some summer league highlights.

Baynes is a nice enough lower/middle roster addition.  I STILL don't see the marcus morris fit on our team (unless Crowder finally gets moved).  He is NOT a big. It made sense to move AB, but this is a disappointing return (even with his expiring deal).

Some are counting Zizic and Yabusele to justify the off season but they were drafed LAST year, not this year, and neither has proved they belong in the league yet.

The Celtics have had an incrementally positive season.  They added an upper tier player at franchise player $$$ (using up cap space).  They improved offensively, but regressed defensivly.  They hedged their bets on the draft and kicked the can down the road  on IT. Their roster remains imbalanced unless you believe that JB is going to take over and own  the "2" and that Baynes is going to play 35 minutes per game.  I don't see either happening.

They are slightly better than last year, but IMHO, not ready to beat a healthy Cleveland team. They are very far from beating GSW.  They are most certainly not a super team despite creating the expectation (fireworks) of building one.

They have had for the most part a prudent off season, but nothing so special as to suggest "fireworks"  or even an exceptionally good one.

Nothing wrong with being prudent, but when you set the expectations so much higher, you are going to disappoint people.

It is possible to be both good and disappointing.

We've signed 2 All-Stars, one late in his prime and one early, in 2 offseasons.  In that time we've gone from swept in a 1st round and lucky to be there to a conference finals. It doesn't have to be the summer of 07 to be a major step forward.

The topic is about "This offseason" not last.  Horford was signed last year. I don't think anyone  is arguing that we have not had a decent rebuild -- due to the ridiculously profitable Brooklyn trade.  Even with Horford (and as much as I think he is under-appreciated by Celtics fans), I am wondering if Ainge would rather have taken a mulligan for that signing.  Part of the reason he was signed was to entice Durant to sign here.  As much as I like AH, he is a not a max player and did not play to all star standards last year.

We finished last year as the 2nd best team in the east and possibly the the 5th or 6th best  team in the league.  That said the gap between us and DC and TOR was neglible ar best, so maybe we are a top 8 team.   We will most likely be the same status this year.  That cannot considered a "big step forward".

We have incrementally improved this year, but expectations were much higher. Many of these expectations have been fueled by the front office and cultivation of the "Trader Danny" persona.

This year feels like another transition year to me.  The real test will come next hear when we decide how IT is handled.  I really hope we move on, because a big 3 of IT/GH/AH is not a championship team, much less a super team.  Defense and rebounding still matter.

I just honestly think adding a young All-Star and a #3 pick to a conference finalist is never an incremental step. My hopes were higher than that but this is pretty in line with my optimistic expectations.

Losing Bradley will hurt, though. But maybe part of the problem is the bar Golden State's set for star talent.

The thing about expectations is context.  For me (and I think most fans) expectations have been about consolidating assets into a team that is legitimately ready to contend for a championship. This is the "fireworks" aspect so much marketed to us over the past few years.

Instead, Ainge added more asstes in trading down with Philly.  I personally like the trade, but it was hardly fireworks. If anything it was more of the same "kick the can down the road"

I tend to measure an offseason by what we get out of it compared to what we might reasonably expect coming into it.  Sure we added Tatum, but the asset we used to pick him was acquired in the PP/KG trade so in a sense the "value" was already on our books.  The asset we acquired was the LA/SAC pick, and I think this was Ainge's shrewdest move this year.

I like Hayward enough but, but I just don't seem him as the franchise savior, so many here seem to think he is.  He ranked as the 19th best player last year (tied with Ty Lawson and just behind Rudy Gay -- just ahead of Kevin Love and Paul Milsap).  This was in an offense tailored around him.   I am ok with the signing, but I do think a reality check is needed for some posters here. He does not put us over the top.

So if we view the draft picks as simply assinging names to existing assets, we get an offseason summary

Added the LAL/SAC pick (Best move)

Upgrading from Bradly and Olynyk for Hayward and Morris (ok but people here really underappreciate AB)

Amir to Baynes

Zeller to Theis

Jerebko to ?

It is not a bad offseason; but, hardly fireworks nor such a huge increase in overall talent that will put us over the top.

Next year should be more telling.

[ETNCeltics]

Your expectations are wholly unreasonable.

Unless the media reports and the Pacers GM are both wrong/lying, it seems that Ainge could have set this team up with Paul George for the cost of Bradley/Crowder/picks.  So the idea that Mutineer33's expectations were wholly unreasonable just doesn't fit with the reported facts.

Expecting the Celtics to pay those salaries a year from now is wholly unreasonable.