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Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #91 on: July 09, 2017, 12:39:07 PM »

Offline CelticsJG

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I love how people are ignoring his poor shooting, poor defense, poor free throw shooting, his poor feel for the game and his low BBIQ from the past two games.

Getting the cobwebs out. Feel he's closer in reality to the player from the first game.

Maybe who knows. Let not ignore him struggling against bums

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #92 on: July 09, 2017, 12:56:45 PM »

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hahaha!

When Jaylen was being Jaylen, he put up 29 and 13.  The last two games they've been asking him to be a playmaker and facilitator, which isn't necessarily his game.  Yes, he's been sloppy, because he's intentionally looking ahead for the play, which is not his game.  There isn't and hasn't ever been a scouting report that has ever said that he's playmaker for others, nor an exceptional passer. He's trying things he's not good at, because they are asking him to.

this thread is classic celticsblog overreacting.  He's gonna be just fine.  When they stop asking him to play point forward, he'll light the game up and everyone will be singing his praises again.

This really is a god awful place sometimes.

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #93 on: July 09, 2017, 12:58:35 PM »

Offline Rosco917

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After watching him in the 3 summer league games, Jaylen needs to let the game come to him more, and not try to be the alpha dog all the time. He's kind of forcing the game right now.

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #94 on: July 09, 2017, 01:08:05 PM »

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Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #95 on: July 09, 2017, 01:24:49 PM »

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It's not so much his ball handling skills that are bad.  It's actually pretty good.  It's how he uses his handle and moves that seem contrived.  He doesn't have that instinctual ability to take advantage when his man off balance and out of position.  Every move seems to be predetermined.

When u look at Fultz play, his moves are efficient and have purpose.  His control and pace are what make him special.  Jaylen is a long way from having that "feel"!

100% right.  Jaylen will make a move, and sometimes a really good move, and his defender gets off balance or out of position and Jaylen should strike, either with a wide-open jumper or a drive to the basket.  But instead he puts on two more moves in the same spot and allows his defender to gather himself.  And then the shot clock gets under seven seconds and no one else is open or coming to set a pick so he jacks up a shot off the side of the backboard.

For everyone saying "the SL is a place to experiment" and "it doesn't matter" and "they're seeing what he can do" there are a lot of other players out there who aren't committing stupid turnovers.  Letting a defender easily run up behind you and poke the ball away when there are two minutes left in a close game?  This kid has very little court awareness. 

Yes, I agree he won't try to "do too much" once the season starts, but the fact that he's this bad at playing smart basketball in Summer League (despite the supposed lack of spacing) is just troubling.

Count me as someone who doesn't care for Summer League Jaylen.  I much prefer Regular Season Jaylen.

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #96 on: July 09, 2017, 01:30:28 PM »

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It's not so much his ball handling skills that are bad.  It's actually pretty good.  It's how he uses his handle and moves that seem contrived.  He doesn't have that instinctual ability to take advantage when his man off balance and out of position.  Every move seems to be predetermined.

When u look at Fultz play, his moves are efficient and have purpose.  His control and pace are what make him special.  Jaylen is a long way from having that "feel"!
 
EXACTLY!

I was just going to say the same thing. The problem isn't his ball handling, that's actually pretty good although he definitely still needs to tighten up, it's his feel and decision making. He's not losing the ball from poor handling as much as he's making bone headed plays and being unaware of the defense. Things like getting fancy with his ball handling and putting his foot in the back court, dribbling up the court and someone he doesn't see/feel poking the ball away from behind, dribbling into traffic and getting caught trying to pass out. These are all decision making and awareness issues. All it really means right now is he isn't a guy who should be dominating the ball through out a game and he should be playing with a point guard. Jaylen is a long ways away from being  the play maker he's trying to be.

Chill out everyone this is what he went to summer league to work on.

You said this much better than I did.  Agree with everything.
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Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2017, 01:37:05 PM »

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Very disappointed in his showing last night. He should be handling these guys.

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2017, 01:38:53 PM »

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It's not so much his ball handling skills that are bad.  It's actually pretty good.  It's how he uses his handle and moves that seem contrived.  He doesn't have that instinctual ability to take advantage when his man off balance and out of position.  Every move seems to be predetermined.

When u look at Fultz play, his moves are efficient and have purpose.  His control and pace are what make him special.  Jaylen is a long way from having that "feel"!

You said this much better than I did.  Agree with everything. 
EXACTLY!

I was just going to say the same thing. The problem isn't his ball handling, that's actually pretty good although he definitely still needs to tighten up, it's his feel and decision making. He's not losing the ball from poor handling as much as he's making bone headed plays and being unaware of the defense. Things like getting fancy with his ball handling and putting his foot in the back court, dribbling up the court and someone he doesn't see/feel poking the ball away from behind, dribbling into traffic and getting caught trying to pass out. These are all decision making and awareness issues. All it really means right now is he isn't a guy who should be dominating the ball through out a game and he should be playing with a point guard. Jaylen is a long ways away from being  the play maker he's trying to be.

Chill out everyone this is what he went to summer league to work on.

Very good analysis in both posts. I've been trying to figure out what it is and I think you'll pinpointed it.

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #99 on: July 09, 2017, 03:23:59 PM »

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I re-watched last night's Laker game. He didn't play as badly as I originally felt, or as some of you have posted. I think he is trying too hard to show off all the new footwork moves he has been working on in the off season. "Hey, look at me, I have cool step back moves like Rookie Tatum too!"

He doesn't need to do that stuff right now. He needs to keep his offense simple. He is so much quicker than the guys he's guarding that he doesn't need to fake.

For the most part he didn't force a lot of bad shots. Shot just not falling or falling short. And his foul shooting woes have gotten in his head.

My one disappointment was him spacing out a couple of times on defense and losing his man. Just no excuse for that.

He'll be fine.

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #100 on: July 09, 2017, 03:50:04 PM »

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New stepback moves are awesome when you can hit the shot occasionally.

Re: So Jaylen looks terrible
« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2017, 05:30:55 PM »

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Brown got beat by a high schooled 1v1  2 weeks ago lol

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