"Nobody can beat Danny's offer"

[Bobshot]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

[RLewis35]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

Yeah but why the rush in indys part? Oladipo and sabonis weren't going anywhere.

[Roy H.]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

Yeah but why the rush in indys part? Oladipo and sabonis weren't going anywhere.

How do you know that? Maybe OKC was going to move Oladipo? They've been pretty active, and maybe they wanted an answer.

Or, maybe Indy didn't want to wait on a maybe while free agents signed elsewhere.

Indy was willing to wait to make the deal. They just asked for a commitment, which seems entirely reasonable.

[tstorey_97]

At exactly what point did the Boston Celtics have a legit shot at Paul George beyond Indy was going to ship him out before he went to play in Los Angeles?

How does this guy who lives in LA and repeatedly announces he wants to play there suddenly want to play in Boston?

Ainge is supposed to give up two of our best players and draft picks he would use to build our team in the future  or...trade for players who are going to actually sign contracts here for a player who is going to LA?

Let's weaken our team and help the freaking fakers...yea that's a thought.

George wasn't going anywhere until next year. Then suddenly, he's on the market and suddenly Ainge is going to get him...when? Woj bomb "C's want George and Hayward" EXCEPT maybe these guys have other plans and they were never close to coming here beyond 12,000 pages of digital speculation.

Ainge "whiffed" "blew it" "screwed up".............how? Pritchard isn't going to trade him to Ainge and George isn't and never was going to re sign and the NBA is busy running another "rumor season" up our you know whats and yes that is how a professional sports league remains relevant in the off season.

Yea, why didn't Ainge get Zinger? What?! Jackson wanted 3 top five picks and Crowder for one player. It was jack. They made it all up and got four days of press releases out of it.

I wish, all these star players would come here, but the amount of blood shed over guys who are never ever going to play in green is a lake on the way to the ocean.

"I'm going to play in LA"

Now there's a hint for ya. "Pritchard wants more than Ainge is willing to give." I would assume that means the president of basketball operations isn't going to roll out two starters and two top fives for a guy who doesn't want to play here.

Griffin is a good example. He is a corporation and his corporation is based in LA, he doesn't need to leave.

 

[colincb]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

Yeah but why the rush in indys part? Oladipo and sabonis weren't going anywhere.

How do you know that? Maybe OKC was going to move Oladipo? They've been pretty active, and maybe they wanted an answer.

Or, maybe Indy didn't want to wait on a maybe while free agents signed elsewhere.

Indy was willing to wait to make the deal. They just asked for a commitment, which seems entirely reasonable.

If they asked for a commitment, that message apparently never got through based on everything I've seen and that doesn't make sense among experienced negotiators.

[IDreamCeltics]

All I know is in the course of 2 seasons Sam Presti turned the walking corpse of Serge Ibaka into a year Oladipo and Sabonis, and a year of Paul George (and the ability to offer George more than any other team).  That's what I called winning the trading season.

Danny take notes.

[Ilikesports17]

All I know is in the course of 2 seasons Sam Presti turned the walking corpse of Serge Ibaka into a year Oladipo and Sabonis, and a year of Paul George (and the ability to offer George more than any other team).  That's what I called winning the trading season.

Danny take notes.

Yeah his career has been a 50/50 split of total brilliance and total incompetence.

Dude picked Kendrick Perkins over James Harden

also since when is Ibaka a corpse?

A real corpse was 35 year olds pierce and KG and Danny spun those two into 3 top 5 picks and Isaiah thomas. Maybe Presti should be the one taking notes.

[Roy H.]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

Yeah but why the rush in indys part? Oladipo and sabonis weren't going anywhere.

How do you know that? Maybe OKC was going to move Oladipo? They've been pretty active, and maybe they wanted an answer.

Or, maybe Indy didn't want to wait on a maybe while free agents signed elsewhere.

Indy was willing to wait to make the deal. They just asked for a commitment, which seems entirely reasonable.

If they asked for a commitment, that message apparently never got through based on everything I've seen and that doesn't make sense among experienced negotiators.

What does that even mean?  What are you disputing?

[Atzar]

I don't blame Danny for this.  From the Celtics' perspective, our hands are tied until Hayward makes a decision.  Until then, our cap space and many of our assets are in limbo.  If that timeline didn't work for Pritchard for whatever reason, then there's nothing we could do about that. 

I can't understand any of the Pacers' moves over the past few weeks.  This is basketball, not GoT; motives shouldn't be so unclear.  From the outside looking in, everything I've read suggests that Pritchard bungled this.  He just willfully selected the fourth-best trade proposal on the table for George.  Every report suggests that LAL beat that offer, the Cleveland/Denver three-team trade beat that offer, and Boston beat that offer.  Yet George is in OKC now. 

[colincb]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

Yeah but why the rush in indys part? Oladipo and sabonis weren't going anywhere.

How do you know that? Maybe OKC was going to move Oladipo? They've been pretty active, and maybe they wanted an answer.

Or, maybe Indy didn't want to wait on a maybe while free agents signed elsewhere.

Indy was willing to wait to make the deal. They just asked for a commitment, which seems entirely reasonable.

If they asked for a commitment, that message apparently never got through based on everything I've seen and that doesn't make sense among experienced negotiators.

What does that even mean?  What are you disputing?

BOS could not have been surprised by the deal if the Pacers had made a final demand for their best offer. I can draw up any number of scenarios why the Pacers didn't, but I can't draw up any where they did and BOS is surprised by the deal

[Roy H.]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

Yeah but why the rush in indys part? Oladipo and sabonis weren't going anywhere.

How do you know that? Maybe OKC was going to move Oladipo? They've been pretty active, and maybe they wanted an answer.

Or, maybe Indy didn't want to wait on a maybe while free agents signed elsewhere.

Indy was willing to wait to make the deal. They just asked for a commitment, which seems entirely reasonable.

If they asked for a commitment, that message apparently never got through based on everything I've seen and that doesn't make sense among experienced negotiators.

What does that even mean?  What are you disputing?

BOS could not have been surprised by the deal if the Pacers had made a final demand for their best offer. I can draw up any number of scenarios why the Pacers didn't, but I can't draw up any where they did and BOS is surprised by the deal

I'm not following. Who said Boston was surprised?

Danny refused to commit until after Hayward made a decision. It was Boston - not Indy - that chose not to agree to a deal.

[colincb]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/06/paul_george_is_gone_pacers_shun_c_s_trade_star_to_oklahoma_city

The news hit the Celtics as they were preparing to make their midnight free agent phone calls, and according to sources among those who have dealings with the club, the C’s were stunned.

[MBunge]

What Pacers wanted from us:

@AdamMKaufman: @wojespn on @espn: #Pacers wanted Smart, Crowder, multiple 1st Rd picks from #Celtics. Boston wasn't ready to close before Hayward signing.

Kind of annoying how other teams are demanding so much from us and then proceeds to accept a horrible deal from another team.

agreed.  that package is far more in payment than what OKC sent for PG.  getting PG for a reasonable cost would have been terrific.  overpaying to get him for a rental would have been a mess

Might be the key to this thing was listening to the Pacers who said they wanted a deal before FA period started. They pulled the plug a few hours before FA.

Ainge was adamant in waiting for Hayward. It may have cost him George.

Bad Pacer FO cost them George, not Danny

yes and no.

If Pacers really asked for Smart, Crowder and the picks, and Danny said wait until after Hayward, and they preferred not to (what if Hayward goes elsewhere?),  then he lost his opportunity.

It may have been simply a question of before or after Hayward.

Yeah but why the rush in indys part? Oladipo and sabonis weren't going anywhere.

How do you know that? Maybe OKC was going to move Oladipo? They've been pretty active, and maybe they wanted an answer.

Or, maybe Indy didn't want to wait on a maybe while free agents signed elsewhere.

Indy was willing to wait to make the deal. They just asked for a commitment, which seems entirely reasonable.

If they asked for a commitment, that message apparently never got through based on everything I've seen and that doesn't make sense among experienced negotiators.

What does that even mean?  What are you disputing?

BOS could not have been surprised by the deal if the Pacers had made a final demand for their best offer. I can draw up any number of scenarios why the Pacers didn't, but I can't draw up any where they did and BOS is surprised by the deal

I'm not following. Who said Boston was surprised?

Danny refused to commit until after Hayward made a decision. It was Boston - not Indy - that chose not to agree to a deal.

And Indy then decided to go ahead with a trade that stunned virtually everyone in the basketball world with how one-sided it was in favor of OKC. 

Mike

[iadera]

Let's be honest. Danny missed out every trade or FA signing to happen in last 2 years, except Horford. That's like Durant, Butler, PG13, Griffin and a lots of other players Celtics were connected to. And all with great assets in pocket. Something's wrong with him. He seems like great collector of picks and assets, but when it comes to pull the last trigger he just stops.

[greece66]

Let's be honest. Danny missed out every trade or FA signing to happen in last 2 years, except Horford. That's like Durant, Butler, PG13, Griffin and a lots of other players Celtics were connected to. And all with great assets in pocket. Something's wrong with him. He seems like great collector of picks and assets, but when it comes to pull the last trigger he just stops.

Durant:  Durant wanted to play for the team that was the most likely to win him a ring.

Butler: Ainge said the Wolves overpaid for Butler, implying he would not give up that much (2 players under rookie contract and a pick swap).

Paul George: it only made sense to trade for PG once you knew whether Hayward was coming or not.

Griffin: he decided to stay in LAC and afaik did not enter negotiations with other teams.

Depending on how you view the Minny-Chicago trade, you may put blame on Ainge for missing on the Butler trade. The rest was outside his control.