Paul George Traded To OKC

[Roy H.]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

[hpantazo]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

That doesn't answer the question of 'why the rush for the Pacers though?" If that is true that they wanted Ainge to take the trade, why couldn't they wait a few of days? George is not a free agent. The offers for him were not going to dry up. They would more likely increase in number and quality after teams strike out in free agency.

[nebist]

Why did Indy need an answer now?  They didn't.  I guess I missed all the FA they signed.  Ainge had a legit reason for waiting.  Pritchard freaked out and shot his wad early. 

[hpantazo]

Why did Indy need an answer now?  They didn't.  I guess I missed all the FA they signed.  Ainge had a legit reason for waiting.  Pritchard freaked out and shot his wad early.

[Dino Pitino]

Why did Indy need an answer now?  They didn't.  I guess I missed all the FA they signed.  Ainge had a legit reason for waiting.  Pritchard freaked out and shot his wad early.

Any chance that Presti bluffed a competing offer for Oladipo and Sabonis with a deadline attached?

[Roy H.]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

That doesn't answer the question of 'why the rush for the Pacers though?" If that is true that they wanted Ainge to take the trade, why couldn't they wait a few of days? George is not a free agent. The offers for him were not going to dry up. They would more likely increase in number and quality after teams strike out in free agency.

Maybe OKC had another deal lined up for Oladipo? Maybe Indy didn't want to risk losing their top two trade options, so they took their second best option?

[nebist]

Why did Indy need an answer now?  They didn't.  I guess I missed all the FA they signed.  Ainge had a legit reason for waiting.  Pritchard freaked out and shot his wad early.

Any chance that Presti bluffed a competing offer for Oladipo and Sabonis with a deadline attached?

That would have been a silly bluff.  If I heard they had that crap offer, I would start taking 1sts off the table.

[hpantazo]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

That doesn't answer the question of 'why the rush for the Pacers though?" If that is true that they wanted Ainge to take the trade, why couldn't they wait a few of days? George is not a free agent. The offers for him were not going to dry up. They would more likely increase in number and quality after teams strike out in free agency.

Maybe OKC had another deal lined up for Oladipo? Maybe Indy didn't want to risk losing their top two trade options, so they took their second best option?

Maybe, but it still doesn't make sense for the Pacers. There was no need for them to panic or rush, offers for George would have likely improved later on.

[kraidstar]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

That doesn't answer the question of 'why the rush for the Pacers though?" If that is true that they wanted Ainge to take the trade, why couldn't they wait a few of days? George is not a free agent. The offers for him were not going to dry up. They would more likely increase in number and quality after teams strike out in free agency.

Maybe OKC had another deal lined up for Oladipo? Maybe Indy didn't want to risk losing their top two trade options, so they took their second best option?

I doubt OKC was gonna deal Oladipo elsewhere if they thought they had any chance at all for George.

If i'm Indy I'm not buying that story for a second.

[Dino Pitino]

If i'm Indy I'm not buying that story for a second.

Unless you're Pritchard and you suck at poker?

[MBunge]

http://twitter.com/ClevisMurray/status/881300075259060224

Apparently Indy gave Boston one last chance before going to OKC. Can't believe Danny was that stingy to not even offer up the Lakers pick. You have to think that Hayward would've been in the bag with a George trade already agreed to.

They didn't even demand the Lakers pick from what I understand. They just wanted a handshake that they had a done deal for Crowder, Smart and picks.

And if you don't get Hayward?  And George leaves after one year?

Mike

Then we're out a couple of role players and we lose the opportunity to draft the next Fab / Giddens / JJJ / Hunter?

What number was Bradley drafted at?  Or Crowder?  Or IT?

Secondly, it's nice you finally stopped repeating the falsehood that Crowder was the only player involved from the Celtics side.

Thirdly, if we trade for George, don't get Hayward, and then George leaves, what actually comes next is Ainge blows up the team.

No George.  No Hayward.  IT a free agent wanting a max deal.  No Crowder.  No Bradley or no Smart and whichever is left is a free agent wanting huge money.  KO is either gone or he's resigned for $17 million or more per year.  Horford with two years left on his max deal.  No starting caliber power forward on the roster.  And then Brown, Tatum and possibly two lottery picks in the 2018 draft.  That's a team with a bright future but no legitimate way to contend in the present.

And we would have given away that present for one year of a guy who by himself still doesn't make us a title contender.

Now, if we don't get Hayward, it will be entirely legitimate to slam Ainge for passing on Butler and Cousins.  Cousins' agent made some noise about him not resigning with anyone who traded for him, but that was when he actually wanted to stay in Sacramento and get the five-year max.  Neither of those guys forced their way out so they could explicitly go to another franchise, like George.

Mike

[MBunge]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

That doesn't answer the question of 'why the rush for the Pacers though?" If that is true that they wanted Ainge to take the trade, why couldn't they wait a few of days? George is not a free agent. The offers for him were not going to dry up. They would more likely increase in number and quality after teams strike out in free agency.

Maybe OKC had another deal lined up for Oladipo? Maybe Indy didn't want to risk losing their top two trade options, so they took their second best option?

If Oladipo was the second best option, isn't that admitting that MULTIPLE OTHER NBA GM'S made the exact same decision Ainge did?  If NO ONE else in the league was willing to beat that offer, doesn't that support Ainge's decision-making?  Why wouldn't Philly offer Okafor, Saric and a couple of picks?

Mike

[hodgy03038]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

That doesn't answer the question of 'why the rush for the Pacers though?" If that is true that they wanted Ainge to take the trade, why couldn't they wait a few of days? George is not a free agent. The offers for him were not going to dry up. They would more likely increase in number and quality after teams strike out in free agency.

Maybe OKC had another deal lined up for Oladipo? Maybe Indy didn't want to risk losing their top two trade options, so they took their second best option?

If Oladipo was the second best option, isn't that admitting that MULTIPLE OTHER NBA GM'S made the exact same decision Ainge did?  If NO ONE else in the league was willing to beat that offer, doesn't that support Ainge's decision-making?  Why wouldn't Philly offer Okafor, Saric and a couple of picks?

Mike

Philly doesn't really want to compete yet do they? It's not part of the PROCESS.

[Roy H.]

This is an interesting piece from Deadspin, basically saying that Ainge DID try to get him and Indiana just said "nah".

NSWF: Profanity. You have been warned.

http://deadspin.com/someone-****ed-up-in-order-for-that-paul-george-trade-t-1796569976?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

There's no first-hand reporting there.

Is there any reason to doubt Woj's story? That Indy wanted to do a deal, but Danny wouldn't agree without a Hayward signing?

There was no reason for urgency on the Pacers end though. I tend to believe reports that they never really intended to send George to an Eastern Conference team and just used the Celtics to leverage a decent offer from a West Coast team.

They may also despise dealing with Ainge , who believed he had leverage, and the went with the OKC offer out of spite, again considering that they had no reason for refusing to wait a few days for the Celtics.

That narrative seems fictional, though. Woj says Indy tried to take the deal, and Danny balked. The report today is that even after getting OKC's offer, Indy went back to Danny.

It isn't spite. It isn't because the cost was prohibitive. It isn't because Indy wanted George out of the conference.

Rather, it's because Danny didn't want to pull the trigger yet. That is 100% the sole reason this didn't get done. Indy needed an answer, and Danny replied "not right now". So, they moved on.

That doesn't answer the question of 'why the rush for the Pacers though?" If that is true that they wanted Ainge to take the trade, why couldn't they wait a few of days? George is not a free agent. The offers for him were not going to dry up. They would more likely increase in number and quality after teams strike out in free agency.

Maybe OKC had another deal lined up for Oladipo? Maybe Indy didn't want to risk losing their top two trade options, so they took their second best option?

If Oladipo was the second best option, isn't that admitting that MULTIPLE OTHER NBA GM'S made the exact same decision Ainge did?  If NO ONE else in the league was willing to beat that offer, doesn't that support Ainge's decision-making?  Why wouldn't Philly offer Okafor, Saric and a couple of picks?

Mike

Philly doesn't really want to compete yet do they? It's not part of the PROCESS.

And there's 0% chance PG would re-sign there, because they're not close to contention.

The realistic market for PG was OKC, Boston, Houston, San Antonio, Cleveland, Washington and the Lakers. A lot of those teams already have their first rounders tied up. Others lack young players, or matchable contracts.

We were operating from a position of strength, which is probably why Indy accepted our offer in the end, and tried to complet a deal with us before consummating the OKC deal.

[hpantazo]

The Cavs believed they had a three-team deal on draft night that would’ve brought George to Cleveland and sent Kevin Love to Denver, sources with knowledge of the negotiations told The Athletic, but the Pacers killed the deal. The Cavs privately believe now that Indiana wanted George out of the East, which is why it passed over deals with both Cleveland and Boston and instead sent him to Oklahoma City. – via The Athletic

https://theathletic.com/72388/2017/07/01/lloyd-cavs-job-isnt-as-appealing-as-it-used-to-be/

I believe the reports that the Pacers never really wanted to send George to another eastern conference team.