Boston had serious concerns about Fultz being a winner. Too many red flags

[BlackCeltic]

I would still pick him. We should draft the best player available in terms of talent. It's not like we are trying to win right now. If we find out he is not a winner we can always ship him off down the road to the highest bidder. I mean, Harden and Westbrook are not winners either, yet they both have huge trade value.

I appears Danny is going to try and WIN RIGHT NOW......there is no other reason to make moves of trading off Fultz ......Promising Hordford and IT he ll try while they are here to win a title ,  to promise Hayward the smar thing and maybe Butler ......If this is now trying to win now .....I dont know what is . IT and Horford can't wait 3-5 years for Fultz to grow up.

Im not say n its the right moves or he be successful.....but you don't trade number one pick .....go after players like Horford , Butler , Hayward ....Just to,have a good team .....it appears Danny is all in on trying to beat Lebron and Durrant.

You may be right about what Danny is trying to do. Having said that, I don't want us to go down that route. The way I see it, no matter what we do we cannot beat the Warriors.

If the prize is Anthony Davis, we have a chance. Otherwise, meh.

[mr. dee]

It's about his personality. Does he have the killer instinct required to be a superstar that wins titles? Dude never smiles. Completely monotone voice. Doesn't get excited much.
Does raise concerns.

Oh come on now! Kawhi never smiles, has a completely monotone voice and doesn't get excited much. Is he not a winner?

Kawhi let his game do the talking. Even if he's not shooting well, he busts his butt on making it his man miserable on the defensive end. I have yet to see that killer defensive intensity from him despite having physical tools. I still remember him saying "he can block shots" and it does not sound good to me. This implies that he rather make flashy plays than keep his man honest just by playing straight up D. I'd rather him say "he locks down opponent" or something similar.

[saltlover]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/876298609574256640

This makes sense, you don't trade number 1 unless you feel that the guy isn't a generational talent.

We know Ainge is into brain typing, maybe he failed that miserably, who knows.

Danny has put his nuts firmly on the chopping board with this move, however, I hated the Ray Allen deal at the time and Danny got booed for picking Brown, so he deserves some slack.

I just hate the idea of trading the number one pick without the guarantee of a superstar in return.

This is nonsense.  Ainge traded out of the top spot because Fultz didn't win in college as a freshman?  The same Danny Ainge who averaged 21 points on a 12-18 team as a freshman?  To pick one of two players who won't even meet with the team?

Balderdash.

[Jvalin]

I would still pick him. We should draft the best player available in terms of talent. It's not like we are trying to win right now. If we find out he is not a winner we can always ship him off down the road to the highest bidder. I mean, Harden and Westbrook are not winners either, yet they both have huge trade value.

I appears Danny is going to try and WIN RIGHT NOW......there is no other reason to make moves of trading off Fultz ......Promising Hordford and IT he ll try while they are here to win a title ,  to promise Hayward the smar thing and maybe Butler ......If this is now trying to win now .....I dont know what is . IT and Horford can't wait 3-5 years for Fultz to grow up.

Im not say n its the right moves or he be successful.....but you don't trade number one pick .....go after players like Horford , Butler , Hayward ....Just to,have a good team .....it appears Danny is all in on trying to beat Lebron and Durrant.

You may be right about what Danny is trying to do. Having said that, I don't want us to go down that route. The way I see it, no matter what we do we cannot beat the Warriors.

If the prize is Anthony Davis, we have a chance. Otherwise, meh.

Sure but we both know we aren't getting Anthony Davis.

[hpantazo]

Fultz has never won at any level. So it Has to be at least some of a concern. Not even preschool. Or rock-paper-scissors with ainge

He also lost against the chair in his Sixers workout

[mctyson]

What the heck is the point of being a winning team with a top pick if you cant' have confidence in your ability to turn that guy into a "winner"?

Don't read too much into this.  They just didn't like him that much and can pick someone else they like even more at #3, save money, and get a potential future top-5 pick.

[Snakehead]

What the heck is the point of being a winning team with a top pick if you cant' have confidence in your ability to turn that guy into a "winner"?

Don't read too much into this.  They just didn't like him that much and can pick someone else they like even more at #3, save money, and get a potential future top-5 pick.

Exactly.  It's not the whole thing, I think it's a bit of a factor.

[HomerSapien]

After a nights sleep I'm more mad than disappointed. I can't believe we only got 1 future pick, and it is protected to boot.

I don't understand why Danny couldn't have just waited until closer to Thursday on the return he got. He held all the cards.

I suspect there are more steps to come, but this has left me feeling the worst I have about the team since right after the Rozier pick (which has since somewhat been vindicated).

[dreamgreen]

Danny could be right about Fultz but look at it this way. He thought Smart and Rozier are winners? These 2 Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.tards are below average NBA players. Rozier can barely get any PT and Smart sucks, he has 1 good scoring game out of 20 games. So kind of scary to think about if you ask me. Danny likes gritty guys who can't play/shoot but have heart. That works in high school, some in college but in the NBA those guys go against Cleveland and get absolutely killed to the point where it is embarrassing, hence the ECF. I don't know guys.

[hpantazo]

After a nights sleep I'm more mad than disappointed. I can't believe we only got 1 future pick, and it is protected to boot.

I don't understand why Danny couldn't have just waited until closer to Thursday on the return he got. He held all the cards.

I suspect there are more steps to come, but this has left me feeling the worst I have about the team since right after the Rozier pick (which has since somewhat been vindicated).

Because he wants that additional asset now so that he can offer it in trade talks from now until thursday for another move.

The protection on that pick is totally in favor of the Celtics. It is designed so that we get either a top 5 pick next year or an unprotected Kings pick in 2019, which is basically a top 5 pick, as the Kings are highly unlikely to be good by then.

[droopdog7]

I'll be honest and admit that fultz' personality did concern me to a degree.  I don't think anyone is completely blaming him for last years Washington team, but is a guy like him going to lead a team to a title?  Not sure.  Of course, I've said many times that I don't think the talent is a great as others either.

[HomerSapien]

After a nights sleep I'm more mad than disappointed. I can't believe we only got 1 future pick, and it is protected to boot.

I don't understand why Danny couldn't have just waited until closer to Thursday on the return he got. He held all the cards.

I suspect there are more steps to come, but this has left me feeling the worst I have about the team since right after the Rozier pick (which has since somewhat been vindicated).

Because he wants that additional asset now so that he can offer it in trade talks from now until thursday for another move.

The protection on that pick is totally in favor of the Celtics.It is designed so that we get either a top 5 pick next year or an unprotected Kings pick in 2019, which is basically a top 5 pick, as the Kings are highly unlikely to be good by then.

This would be true if it were protected 1 - 5, but it is not. If The Lakers pick is #1 next year then we need to pray that a no greater than 25% longshot comes up again the following year. I hate that top 1 protection we allowed PHI.

[mctyson]

What the heck is the point of being a winning team with a top pick if you cant' have confidence in your ability to turn that guy into a "winner"?

Don't read too much into this.  They just didn't like him that much and can pick someone else they like even more at #3, save money, and get a potential future top-5 pick.

Exactly.  It's not the whole thing, I think it's a bit of a factor.

They have Fultz scouted down to the most minute details.  I just think that Danny, Brad, et al like Jackson or Tatum as much as Fultz.  These types of narratives that Fultz isn't a "winner" are things reporters will say for pageviews.

[dreamgreen]

After a nights sleep I'm more mad than disappointed. I can't believe we only got 1 future pick, and it is protected to boot.

I don't understand why Danny couldn't have just waited until closer to Thursday on the return he got. He held all the cards.

I suspect there are more steps to come, but this has left me feeling the worst I have about the team since right after the Rozier pick (which has since somewhat been vindicated).

Because he wants that additional asset now so that he can offer it in trade talks from now until thursday for another move.

The protection on that pick is totally in favor of the Celtics. It is designed so that we get either a top 5 pick next year or an unprotected Kings pick in 2019, which is basically a top 5 pick, as the Kings are highly unlikely to be good by then.

If you don't already have a plan in place and are just collecting assets (that Danny has failed to trade in the past) than I think we have a problem. I don't know anyone successful in life that makes that kind of gamble.

[hpantazo]

After a nights sleep I'm more mad than disappointed. I can't believe we only got 1 future pick, and it is protected to boot.

I don't understand why Danny couldn't have just waited until closer to Thursday on the return he got. He held all the cards.

I suspect there are more steps to come, but this has left me feeling the worst I have about the team since right after the Rozier pick (which has since somewhat been vindicated).

Because he wants that additional asset now so that he can offer it in trade talks from now until thursday for another move.

The protection on that pick is totally in favor of the Celtics. It is designed so that we get either a top 5 pick next year or an unprotected Kings pick in 2019, which is basically a top 5 pick, as the Kings are highly unlikely to be good by then.

If you don't already have a plan in place and are just collecting assets (that Danny has failed to trade in the past) than I think we have a problem. I don't know anyone successful in life that makes that kind of gamble.

If he wanted to make the deal now instead of waiting until draft night, it means he does have a plan for that additional asset. Ainge is totally in the drivers seat. He wouldn't trade the #1 pick, and push to get that trade done now, unless he already has something in place that he loves more.