Woj, Stein, & Lowe - C's and Sixers in serious talks for #1 pick

[mr. dee]

I'm not sure I understand the angst. This was hailed to be one of the best drafts in recent history but all of a sudden there are no good prospects at #3?

Plus we could possibly pick up Lakers 2018 which may very well leave us with 2 top five picks in 2018.

We can't develop 10 rookies at once so I expect several trades to add future value... Zizic, Jaylen year 2 and high level FA and we are good. If we already have a commitment from Hayward there's simply no need for Fultz.

I can't believe the irrationality of this blog sometimes, especially when they already set their eyes on a certain player in the off season already. Remember the heat when Danny drafted Jaylen Brown and Rozier?

[tarheelsxxiii]

In thinking about this a little more, if the Celtics are really in "serious" talks with Philly and no players are involved, Fultz's medical may have been concerning. 

Romero was oddly vague about Fultz's knee (gulp) injury and failed to answer direct questions about it.  It was described as "sore" for a prolonged period of time and required rest -- symptoms consistent with what you might expect from a meniscus issue.  We can only speculate, but Ainge has more info than all of us but saltlover.  Ya never know...

One thing we do know, though, is that Philly makes no qualms about taking risks on injury-prone but highly touted prospects.  And nonetheless, reports suggest that talks have stalled until Fult's medical with PHI.

Frankly, I find these proposed offers to be disappointing.  There's no one else in this draft I even find particularly exciting.  And perhaps that's just the "Fultz effect," but I'm not so sure.  What a weird and unexpected scenario. 

[SHAQATTACK]

What if the Celtics make the trade and... the Lakers take Jackson at #2? Because then we are screwed.

I think Danny and staff have assessed this risk and have two prospects in mind, if one is chosen by the Lakers

i agree......DA trying to squeeze too,much out of,the situation emds up with bunch more,of role players ......we know he sucks making draft choices.   

Danny trying to be too cute is going to,backfire and bite him in the azz.

So as usual we get the leftovers.  There has to be one person he wants more than the other.  It's not encouraging to think we'll have to end up taking "Option B", when we could have had the pick of the litter.

[vjcsmoke]

Covington is a role player.  That's it.  He's not even as good a shooter as Crowder was last year.

Trading the #1 overall pick for the #3 and a role player is NOT even close to worth it.

Like I said before, check out the Penny Hardaway trade.  That's the type of value I'd look to get back in return if we were ever to move off #1. 

And this is STILL a risky move even if they give us #3, the Lakers 18 pick and the Sacramento 19 pick.

1.  The Lakers could take Jackson at #2.  Then we'd be screwed.
2.  The Lakers could sign a good free agent this summer and get into the respectable lower lottery area.  Having a pick between #10-14 next year would be a pretty poor return.
3.  The Kings might turn it around by 2019 or their pick turns out to be outside the top 5.

Too many things can go wrong.  It better be a godfather deal for Ainge to move that #1 pick.

if we could get Covington in the deal ......Id feel a little better ......Tatum and Covington would help the front and add size and scoring where we are despert .

I scared DA is still in love with AB , Jae and Young and Rozier too much

[jpotter33]

Tom Moore, a beat writer for the 76ers, says a second version of the trade with the Bulls and 76ers has been floated around now, including:

Boston: Butler

Philly: #1

Chicago: #3, 2018 Brooklyn pick, Okafor


I'm calling major, major BS on that. We'd essentially be giving up 2 Brooklyn picks for Butler then, which he is clearly not worth. Why would we even involve Philly at all in this scenario? Butler could be had with the first pick by itself and something like Rozier most likely.

I'd say if that is part of the trade, then Philly is also sending us something like Simmons, Saric, several of their picks (LA, Sac, etc.), or some combination of those things. That trade as established is surely a no-go and makes no sense.

[Dchuck]

Actually, the more I think about it, I think Danny is infatuated with.....

Danny Ainge!

He's so caught up in his "Trader Dan" persona, he feels the need to perpetuate his alleged fleecing reputation. 

WE HAVE THE #1 PICK!!  U did it Danny.  We get it, u fleeced Bklyn.  Use the pick on the player who has everything we need.  This reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Kramer is on a joyride with the fuel light on but chooses to bypass the exit to push his luck and see how far he can go.

[SparzWizard]

Tom Moore, a beat writer for the 76ers, says a second version of the trade with the Bulls and 76ers has been floated around now, including:

Boston: Butler

Philly: #1

Chicago: #3, 2018 Brooklyn pick, Okafor


I'm calling major, major BS on that. We'd essentially be giving up 2 Brooklyn picks for Butler then, which he is clearly not worth. Why would we even involve Philly at all in this scenario? Butler could be had with the first pick by itself and something like Rozier most likely.

I'd say if that is part of the trade, then Philly is also sending us something like Simmons, Saric, several of their picks (LA, Sac, etc.), or some combination of those things. That trade as established is surely a no-go and makes no sense.

It would be poetic justice to Brooklyn fans if Trader Danny gets fleeced in that deal. Seriously, two BKN picks for Jimmy Butler himself allows a GM to get deservedly fired imo.

[Dino Pitino]

Tom Moore, a beat writer for the 76ers, says a second version of the trade with the Bulls and 76ers has been floated around now, including:

Boston: Butler

Philly: #1

Chicago: #3, 2018 Brooklyn pick, Okafor


I'm calling major, major BS on that. We'd essentially be giving up 2 Brooklyn picks for Butler then, which he is clearly not worth. Why would we even involve Philly at all in this scenario? Butler could be had with the first pick by itself and something like Rozier most likely.

I'd say if that is part of the trade, then Philly is also sending us something like Simmons, Saric, several of their picks (LA, Sac, etc.), or some combination of those things. That trade as established is surely a no-go and makes no sense.

Total BS, must be a biased Chicago source who thinks Butler is as valuable as Anthony Davis. Makes zero sense for us.

[Tr1boy]

Covington is a role player.  That's it.  He's not even as good a shooter as Crowder was last year.

Trading the #1 overall pick for the #3 and a role player is NOT even close to worth it.

Like I said before, check out the Penny Hardaway trade.  That's the type of value I'd look to get back in return if we were ever to move off #1. 

And this is STILL a risky move even if they give us #3, the Lakers 18 pick and the Sacramento 19 pick.

1.  The Lakers could take Jackson at #2.  Then we'd be screwed.
2.  The Lakers could sign a good free agent this summer and get into the respectable lower lottery area.  Having a pick between #10-14 next year would be a pretty poor return.
3.  The Kings might turn it around by 2019 or their pick turns out to be outside the top 5.

Too many things can go wrong.  It better be a godfather deal for Ainge to move that #1 pick.

if we could get Covington in the deal ......Id feel a little better ......Tatum and Covington would help the front and add size and scoring where we are despert .

I scared DA is still in love with AB , Jae and Young and Rozier too much

Lakers will take Ball imo. 

Lakers likely won't mess with their capsapce . So that they have a shot to sign PG13 next season

[Dino Pitino]

Even then thinking of the Hardaway trade - did any good players come out of the future firsts outside of Penny himself?  I can't remember a single memorable selection.

Two of the three 1sts eventually became Vince Carter and Mike Miller. So...yeah.

[fantankerous]

Tom Moore, a beat writer for the 76ers, says a second version of the trade with the Bulls and 76ers has been floated around now, including:

Boston: Butler

Philly: #1

Chicago: #3, 2018 Brooklyn pick, Okafor


I'm calling major, major BS on that. We'd essentially be giving up 2 Brooklyn picks for Butler then, which he is clearly not worth. Why would we even involve Philly at all in this scenario? Butler could be had with the first pick by itself and something like Rozier most likely.

I'd say if that is part of the trade, then Philly is also sending us something like Simmons, Saric, several of their picks (LA, Sac, etc.), or some combination of those things. That trade as established is surely a no-go and makes no sense.

Total BS, must be a biased Chicago source who thinks Butler is as valuable as Anthony Davis. Makes zero sense for us.

I can believe this is what Chicago is asking for.  I cannot believe this is a deal Boston would accept.

[the TRUTH]

Haven't had a chance to read this entire thread yet, so I apologize if someone else has mentioned this. Unless we absolutely destroy Philly in this deal, I don't think there's any way Ainge does it. Also, Ainge - and the C's as a whole - are usually outstanding at keeping major deals quiet until they actually happen. Philly would have no incentive to leak this, because that just increases their competition to make a move. And if the Celtics were genuinely interested in doing this deal, I don't think it would've been leaked. To me, I think this is most likely Boston leaking it in an effort to try to force another team's hand to come in with a godfather type of offer for #1.

[aingeforthree]

Actually, the more I think about it, I think Danny is infatuated with.....

Danny Ainge!

He's so caught up in his "Trader Dan" persona, he feels the need to perpetuate his alleged fleecing reputation. 

WE HAVE THE #1 PICK!!  U did it Danny.  We get it, u fleeced Bklyn.  Use the pick on the player who has everything we need.  This reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Kramer is on a joyride with the fuel light on but chooses to bypass the exit to push his luck and see how far he can go.

No way. Just smart business. If you can get a player you want plus more picks you do it. No brainer

[liam]

You have to ask who would be leaking this rumor and why and if it's all just click bait?

[saltlover]

Tom Moore, a beat writer for the 76ers, says a second version of the trade with the Bulls and 76ers has been floated around now, including:

Boston: Butler

Philly: #1

Chicago: #3, 2018 Brooklyn pick, Okafor


I'm calling major, major BS on that. We'd essentially be giving up 2 Brooklyn picks for Butler then, which he is clearly not worth. Why would we even involve Philly at all in this scenario? Butler could be had with the first pick by itself and something like Rozier most likely.

I'd say if that is part of the trade, then Philly is also sending us something like Simmons, Saric, several of their picks (LA, Sac, etc.), or some combination of those things. That trade as established is surely a no-go and makes no sense.

Yeah, no way is Ainge trading #1 overall straight up for Butler.  He'd have done that in Feburary if that was his aim.