Woj, Stein, & Lowe - C's and Sixers in serious talks for #1 pick

[cousytoheinsohn]

im standing on a very tall bridge

Don't do it, Shaq.

We need you now more than ever and especially if Danny screws this up.

[tazzmaniac]

I wonder how much input Stevens has had/is having in all of this?

Probably more than anyone is considering or imagining, which would make the situation even more intriguing.

Jackson is definitely much more of a Stevens kind of player. He can guard 1-4 on defense, Brad gets a Stevens in his pants just thinking of that versatility.

BUT WE CANNOT SCORE!!  I'm so tired of these defensive studs with versatility.  When we need a bucket, who else besides IT can get one?

I guess that would be determined by further deals. If we end up with Butler, plus Hayward and still hold on to 3 - things look a ton different.

IT
Butler
Hayward
FA (Taj Gibson?)
Horford

Smart
Brown
Jackson
Zizic

We aren't going to get Butler without giving up the #3 pick.  Anyway, I'd rather have the better of the Lakers/Sixers 2018.  That would gives us a good shot at two top 5 picks in the next draft and would free up 5M in cap space for this offseason. 

[Neurotic Guy]

I wonder how much input Stevens has had/is having in all of this?

Probably more than anyone is considering or imagining, which would make the situation even more intriguing.

Jackson is definitely much more of a Stevens kind of player. He can guard 1-4 on defense, Brad gets a Stevens in his pants just thinking of that versatility.

BUT WE CANNOT SCORE!!  I'm so tired of these defensive studs with versatility.  When we need a bucket, who else besides IT can get one?

Hayward or maybe Griffin

if not Hayward... i can see Danny signing Dion Waiters

Hayward, Brown and Jackson?  Waiters? Haha, I needed a laugh

Im triggered.

Post again please, BlackCeltic.... Now

[SHAQATTACK]

so.....if you take Jackson , have Brown already , why Keep Jae


im see n too much of a log jam ......and then add Hayward ?


none of this makes since .

If Hayward signs... Jae is a goner imo

Danny going for Hayward .....Bulter or George

I son't see Bulter being a banner hanger asset tho

[Chris22]

18 pages later and I'm pretty sure the people attached to Fultz and upset would've been just as attached to Joe Barry Carroll, i.e., they've completely sold themselves on the Fultz groupthink and can't rearrange their heads to ponder other possibilities.

I second this sentiment.

I don't necessarily think this is exactly it.  We as fans only can go off of opinions of experts and what we see if we watch a player.  If there is a consensus among the experts most fans formulate their opinion based off of these opinions.

We are fickle though.  All it takes is a few people saying "wow Lonzo Ball is shooting up the charts" or "Fultz and a horrible workout" and we change.

I am on record that the Celtics should draft Fultz at #1 because I trust the wisdom of markets.  However if they do not want him as a player or think that the guys available at #3 or further down are close to as valuable...then the should absolutely trade down. 

The problem is that people have riled themselves up into Fultz hype and banners and jerseys and retirement without ever seeing him play.  That is wrong and that is why Ainge runs the team and we are fans.

I've seen Fultz play.
He is very, very good.
And only 19.

let it go Chris... Celtics are not drafting Fultz

Celtics have cancelled their 2nd meeting with him tomorrow. he will be meeting with the 76ers instead

So certain are you.
Danny plays the game well.

[KGBirdBias]

I wonder how much input Stevens has had/is having in all of this?

Probably more than anyone is considering or imagining, which would make the situation even more intriguing.

Jackson is definitely much more of a Stevens kind of player. He can guard 1-4 on defense, Brad gets a Stevens in his pants just thinking of that versatility.

BUT WE CANNOT SCORE!!  I'm so tired of these defensive studs with versatility.  When we need a bucket, who else besides IT can get one?

I guess that would be determined by further deals. If we end up with Butler, plus Hayward and still hold on to 3 - things look a ton different.

IT
Butler
Hayward
FA (Taj Gibson?)
Horford

Smart
Brown
Jackson
Zizic

We aren't going to get Butler without giving up the #3 pick.  Anyway, I'd rather have the better of the Lakers/Sixers 2018.  That would gives us a good shot at two top 5 picks in the next draft and would free up 5M in cap space for this offseason.

Bingo

[csfansince60s]

I'm very back and forth on this type of deal.  Fultz has been the guy for so long you get excited and set on that player as a future star for your team.  I just don't see any of the other guys being stars. 

If this deal is to move it for a star player like butler and get a lottery pick out of it as well I understand it but it doesn't mean I like it.  I just don't think adding Butler and Griffin put the Celtics on par with Golden State. 

Adding up the rumors it looks like it's possible Danny has another deal lined up.  I can see the below happening and I'm not sure how I feel.

#1 for #3 and the best philly pick next year out of the Lakers and their pick.

Crowder and #3 to Chicago for Butler and 16.  Sign Griffin. That's a fun team to watch but definitely not good enough to win a championship.  I'd rather have Fultz. 

PG - IT
SG - Bradley
SF - Butler
PF - Griffin
C - Horford

Bench
Brown
Smart
Yabu
Zizic
Rozier
1st round pick

What if Philly used the pick on Ball or Jackson instead of Fultz!

And "what if" the ring wasn't  actually thrown into the fires of Mt. Doom?

Why didn't Danny just send the eagles into Philly and throw Fultz into Mt. Doom right away?

Because the Eagles are already in Philly.

[SHAQATTACK]

seems like a huge waste to do all this to get Butler .

hand over everything to 76's and Bulls for Bulter 

still not on par with team Lebron

[Tr1boy]

18 pages later and I'm pretty sure the people attached to Fultz and upset would've been just as attached to Joe Barry Carroll, i.e., they've completely sold themselves on the Fultz groupthink and can't rearrange their heads to ponder other possibilities.

I second this sentiment.

I don't necessarily think this is exactly it.  We as fans only can go off of opinions of experts and what we see if we watch a player.  If there is a consensus among the experts most fans formulate their opinion based off of these opinions.

We are fickle though.  All it takes is a few people saying "wow Lonzo Ball is shooting up the charts" or "Fultz and a horrible workout" and we change.

I am on record that the Celtics should draft Fultz at #1 because I trust the wisdom of markets.  However if they do not want him as a player or think that the guys available at #3 or further down are close to as valuable...then the should absolutely trade down. 

The problem is that people have riled themselves up into Fultz hype and banners and jerseys and retirement without ever seeing him play.  That is wrong and that is why Ainge runs the team and we are fans.

I've seen Fultz play.
He is very, very good.
And only 19.

let it go Chris... Celtics are not drafting Fultz

Celtics have cancelled their 2nd meeting with him tomorrow. he will be meeting with the 76ers instead

So certain are you.
Danny plays the game well.

So what kind of game is he going to play??  He is going to play with the Lakers and 76ers...but still end up picking Fultz at #1?

[BlackCeltic]

18 pages later and I'm pretty sure the people attached to Fultz and upset would've been just as attached to Joe Barry Carroll, i.e., they've completely sold themselves on the Fultz groupthink and can't rearrange their heads to ponder other possibilities.

I second this sentiment.

I don't necessarily think this is exactly it.  We as fans only can go off of opinions of experts and what we see if we watch a player.  If there is a consensus among the experts most fans formulate their opinion based off of these opinions.

We are fickle though.  All it takes is a few people saying "wow Lonzo Ball is shooting up the charts" or "Fultz and a horrible workout" and we change.

I am on record that the Celtics should draft Fultz at #1 because I trust the wisdom of markets.  However if they do not want him as a player or think that the guys available at #3 or further down are close to as valuable...then the should absolutely trade down. 

The problem is that people have riled themselves up into Fultz hype and banners and jerseys and retirement without ever seeing him play.  That is wrong and that is why Ainge runs the team and we are fans.

I've seen Fultz play.
He is very, very good.
And only 19.

let it go Chris... Celtics are not drafting Fultz

Celtics have cancelled their 2nd meeting with him tomorrow. he will be meeting with the 76ers instead

So certain are you.
Danny plays the game well.

So what kind of game is he going to play??  He is going to play with the Lakers and 76ers...but still end up picking Fultz at #1?

Trade to Magic Johnson and the Lakers, or within the division to Philly? Yea, Im drafting Fultz.

[mctyson]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/06/celtics_76ers_discussing_potential_deal_for_no_1_pick_in_nba_draft_0

the sage

[cousytoheinsohn]

I wonder how much input Stevens has had/is having in all of this.

Probably more than anyone is considering or imagining, which would make the situation even more intriguing.

The Celtics definitely use a consensus approach in making decisions.  Danny has the final say, but Stevens, as well as other front office types, and maybe even ownership to some extent, give input.  And if there is significant disagreement, they don't pursue it, as was the case with Cousins.

I'm wondering whether Brad may be actually driving it in the direction it seems to be going, the better to get more versatility in "the system."

[KGBirdBias]

I just think it's bigger than Butler. Sorry I keep saying it but you don't trade the #1 pick for just a fish. You trade it to get more assets to grab a big fish.

[KGBirdBias]

The Bulls are trying to unload Butler so DWade doesn't opt into his huge salary. If Butler is gone, why would Wade stay.

[Tr1boy]

The Bulls are trying to unload Butler so DWade doesn't opt into his huge salary. If Butler is gone, why would Wade stay.

because he will never make more than 20 million a year again

He will opt in... not come to practice...not care