Ford: GMs Think Ainge Really Likes Josh Jackson (Insider)

[max215]

Josh Jackson will be a huge bust. Stay away

would you care to provide us all with some reasons? rationales? proof? data? reports? anything to nudge this post beyond being an unsupported assertion?

thank you.

I'm willing to share my concerns. First of all, I'd have to define bust, because if bust means wash out of the NBA entirely, it's very unlikely that he busts. However, he could very realistically be nothing more than a mediocre rotation player. Let's start with his defense. It's good, and he has the mindset to play great defense, but he's not the elite defender he's been made out to be. Furthermore, he's skinny and has a short wingspan, which doesn't bode well for his ability to become elite. I think he'll always be a distinctly positive defender, but I doubt he's ever elite, and the idea that he already is is comical. His offense is even scarier. I think we can all agree that Jackson's best offensive skill is his passing. However, his passing really only shines in transition, which is worrisome because what the heck does he offer in the half court. His handle is pretty good, but it's not like he's some super advanced ball-handler. His shot needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Yes, he shot 38% from three. He did that on 90 attempts. His far larger sample from before college is troubling. Couple that with his gnarly FT% and hideous form, and I feel pretty confident in Jackson's inability to shoot. In reviewing Jackson, I've been left with one extremely worrisome question: what is Jackson's avenue to being a successful offensive player? Outside of transition opportunities, I don't see how he becomes one. That's terrifying out of the #3 pick.

I find it telling that all the rabid Jackson supporters refuse (aren't able?) to respond to this.

Exactly, Tp

The reason I believe in Josh Jackson is in large part because I believe in his ability to be a primary ball handler and creator from the small forward position. He moves quickly and fluidly with the basketball and has very good athleticism and body control.  Add his good passing skills, and I believe you have a guy who you can have play with the ball in his hands at the next level.

Obviously you wouldn't put him in that role full time right away on a Celtics team that already features Isaiah Thomas, but on a team that needs additional slashers, these skills would be useful.  I'd be very excited to watch him grow as an NBA player.

Thank you for a real response. I disagree with you, but at least I know you're not just pulling stuff out of your ***.

[Tr1boy]

i love Browns individual potential.   Same can be said about Jacksons

but having these two , on the same team....   top notch

both can guard 1-4 . Both can score 1 on 1 due to their explosiveness

Both get to the line at a high rate.

I'd rather have Fultz and Brown.

Both being able to score 1 on 1 is questionable.

Who cares if u get to the line and can't make em.

If Fultz, Brown and Jackson reach their full potential.  Fultz will be the best player by a mile.

of course it matters...  opposing teams are over the limit quicker.....specific players in foul trouble ...   your teammates can also get to the line

Of the 3 players - Brown, Jackson and Fultz.  If they all reach their full potential, who will be better?

Also, please respond to max215's statement while ur at it

this is fantasy talk... What if Marcus Smart can shoot at even 35 percent from the 3 point line? 

Lets see fultz actually get into a proper low stance and play strong D 1st ...before we talk about full potential. 

Ok let me ask you...right  now who would win in a 1 on 1 game.  Fultz or Jackson??

this is fantasy talk...what if Mickey can block shots like Bill Russell?

Let's see if Jackson can even shoot nba threes and play better offense than Marcus Smart 1st...before we talk about his full potential.

Ok let me ask you...right now who would win in a 1 on 1 game? Fultz or Jackson? 

of course Jackson.  Jackson would smother Fultz on the defensive end

Fultz has trouble guarding regular decent college players. How is he going to stay in front/guard Jackson?

[Somebody]

i love Browns individual potential.   Same can be said about Jacksons

but having these two , on the same team....   top notch

both can guard 1-4 . Both can score 1 on 1 due to their explosiveness

Both get to the line at a high rate.

I'd rather have Fultz and Brown.

Both being able to score 1 on 1 is questionable.

Who cares if u get to the line and can't make em.

If Fultz, Brown and Jackson reach their full potential.  Fultz will be the best player by a mile.

of course it matters...  opposing teams are over the limit quicker.....specific players in foul trouble ...   your teammates can also get to the line

Of the 3 players - Brown, Jackson and Fultz.  If they all reach their full potential, who will be better?

Also, please respond to max215's statement while ur at it

this is fantasy talk... What if Marcus Smart can shoot at even 35 percent from the 3 point line? 

Lets see fultz actually get into a proper low stance and play strong D 1st ...before we talk about full potential. 

Ok let me ask you...right  now who would win in a 1 on 1 game.  Fultz or Jackson??

this is fantasy talk...what if Mickey can block shots like Bill Russell?

Let's see if Jackson can even shoot nba threes and play better offense than Marcus Smart 1st...before we talk about his full potential.

Ok let me ask you...right now who would win in a 1 on 1 game? Fultz or Jackson? 

of course Jackson.  Jackson would smother Fultz on the defensive end

Fultz has troubles even guard regular decent college players. How is he going to stay in front/guard Jackson?

Of course Fultz. Fultz would still kill Jackson with his shot making and creation ability.

Jackson has "troubles even"  getting his offense running against regular decent college players. How is he going to even score against Fultz?

[Tr1boy]

i love Browns individual potential.   Same can be said about Jacksons

but having these two , on the same team....   top notch

both can guard 1-4 . Both can score 1 on 1 due to their explosiveness

Both get to the line at a high rate.

I'd rather have Fultz and Brown.

Both being able to score 1 on 1 is questionable.

Who cares if u get to the line and can't make em.

If Fultz, Brown and Jackson reach their full potential.  Fultz will be the best player by a mile.

of course it matters...  opposing teams are over the limit quicker.....specific players in foul trouble ...   your teammates can also get to the line

Of the 3 players - Brown, Jackson and Fultz.  If they all reach their full potential, who will be better?

Also, please respond to max215's statement while ur at it

this is fantasy talk... What if Marcus Smart can shoot at even 35 percent from the 3 point line? 

Lets see fultz actually get into a proper low stance and play strong D 1st ...before we talk about full potential. 

Ok let me ask you...right  now who would win in a 1 on 1 game.  Fultz or Jackson??

this is fantasy talk...what if Mickey can block shots like Bill Russell?

Let's see if Jackson can even shoot nba threes and play better offense than Marcus Smart 1st...before we talk about his full potential.

Ok let me ask you...right now who would win in a 1 on 1 game? Fultz or Jackson? 

of course Jackson.  Jackson would smother Fultz on the defensive end

Fultz has troubles even guard regular decent college players. How is he going to stay in front/guard Jackson?

Of course Fultz. Fultz would still kill Jackson with his shot making and creation ability.

Jackson has "troubles even"  getting his offense running against regular decent college players. How is he going to even score against Fultz?

LOL!! omg this is hilarious

fultz would not be able to get by Jackson nor shoot over him... fultz had problems turning the corner against quick/physical pgs last season

Jackson would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosivenes....couple with Fulz weak defensive game at the moment

its almost not a fair 1 on 1 battle

[Celtics18]

Josh Jackson will be a huge bust. Stay away

would you care to provide us all with some reasons? rationales? proof? data? reports? anything to nudge this post beyond being an unsupported assertion?

thank you.

I'm willing to share my concerns. First of all, I'd have to define bust, because if bust means wash out of the NBA entirely, it's very unlikely that he busts. However, he could very realistically be nothing more than a mediocre rotation player. Let's start with his defense. It's good, and he has the mindset to play great defense, but he's not the elite defender he's been made out to be. Furthermore, he's skinny and has a short wingspan, which doesn't bode well for his ability to become elite. I think he'll always be a distinctly positive defender, but I doubt he's ever elite, and the idea that he already is is comical. His offense is even scarier. I think we can all agree that Jackson's best offensive skill is his passing. However, his passing really only shines in transition, which is worrisome because what the heck does he offer in the half court. His handle is pretty good, but it's not like he's some super advanced ball-handler. His shot needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Yes, he shot 38% from three. He did that on 90 attempts. His far larger sample from before college is troubling. Couple that with his gnarly FT% and hideous form, and I feel pretty confident in Jackson's inability to shoot. In reviewing Jackson, I've been left with one extremely worrisome question: what is Jackson's avenue to being a successful offensive player? Outside of transition opportunities, I don't see how he becomes one. That's terrifying out of the #3 pick.

I find it telling that all the rabid Jackson supporters refuse (aren't able?) to respond to this.

Exactly, Tp

The reason I believe in Josh Jackson is in large part because I believe in his ability to be a primary ball handler and creator from the small forward position. He moves quickly and fluidly with the basketball and has very good athleticism and body control.  Add his good passing skills, and I believe you have a guy who you can have play with the ball in his hands at the next level.

Obviously you wouldn't put him in that role full time right away on a Celtics team that already features Isaiah Thomas, but on a team that needs additional slashers, these skills would be useful.  I'd be very excited to watch him grow as an NBA player.

Thank you for a real response. I disagree with you, but at least I know you're not just pulling stuff out of your ***.

Which part do you disagree with? That Jackson will be able to be a creator with the ball in his hands at the NBA level?

[Somebody]

i love Browns individual potential.   Same can be said about Jacksons

but having these two , on the same team....   top notch

both can guard 1-4 . Both can score 1 on 1 due to their explosiveness

Both get to the line at a high rate.

I'd rather have Fultz and Brown.

Both being able to score 1 on 1 is questionable.

Who cares if u get to the line and can't make em.

If Fultz, Brown and Jackson reach their full potential.  Fultz will be the best player by a mile.

of course it matters...  opposing teams are over the limit quicker.....specific players in foul trouble ...   your teammates can also get to the line

Of the 3 players - Brown, Jackson and Fultz.  If they all reach their full potential, who will be better?

Also, please respond to max215's statement while ur at it

this is fantasy talk... What if Marcus Smart can shoot at even 35 percent from the 3 point line? 

Lets see fultz actually get into a proper low stance and play strong D 1st ...before we talk about full potential. 

Ok let me ask you...right  now who would win in a 1 on 1 game.  Fultz or Jackson??

this is fantasy talk...what if Mickey can block shots like Bill Russell?

Let's see if Jackson can even shoot nba threes and play better offense than Marcus Smart 1st...before we talk about his full potential.

Ok let me ask you...right now who would win in a 1 on 1 game? Fultz or Jackson? 

of course Jackson.  Jackson would smother Fultz on the defensive end

Fultz has troubles even guard regular decent college players. How is he going to stay in front/guard Jackson?

Of course Fultz. Fultz would still kill Jackson with his shot making and creation ability.

Jackson has "troubles even"  getting his offense running against regular decent college players. How is he going to even score against Fultz?

LOL!! omg this is hilarious

fultz would not be able to get by Jackson nor shoot over him... fultz had problems turning the corner against quick/physical pgs last season

Jackson would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosivenes....couple with Fulz weak defensive game at the moment

its almost not a fair 1 on 1 battle

LOL! OMG this is hilarious

Jackson would not he able to get his offense running with Fultz nor could he EVEN SHOOT...Jackson had problems shooting and playing offense against quick/physical players  last season

Fultz would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosiveness...couple with Jackson weak offensive game at the moment

It's almost not even a fair 1 on 1 battle  (enjoy it guys)

[Tr1boy]

i love Browns individual potential.   Same can be said about Jacksons

but having these two , on the same team....   top notch

both can guard 1-4 . Both can score 1 on 1 due to their explosiveness

Both get to the line at a high rate.

I'd rather have Fultz and Brown.

Both being able to score 1 on 1 is questionable.

Who cares if u get to the line and can't make em.

If Fultz, Brown and Jackson reach their full potential.  Fultz will be the best player by a mile.

of course it matters...  opposing teams are over the limit quicker.....specific players in foul trouble ...   your teammates can also get to the line

Of the 3 players - Brown, Jackson and Fultz.  If they all reach their full potential, who will be better?

Also, please respond to max215's statement while ur at it

this is fantasy talk... What if Marcus Smart can shoot at even 35 percent from the 3 point line? 

Lets see fultz actually get into a proper low stance and play strong D 1st ...before we talk about full potential. 

Ok let me ask you...right  now who would win in a 1 on 1 game.  Fultz or Jackson??

this is fantasy talk...what if Mickey can block shots like Bill Russell?

Let's see if Jackson can even shoot nba threes and play better offense than Marcus Smart 1st...before we talk about his full potential.

Ok let me ask you...right now who would win in a 1 on 1 game? Fultz or Jackson? 

of course Jackson.  Jackson would smother Fultz on the defensive end

Fultz has troubles even guard regular decent college players. How is he going to stay in front/guard Jackson?

Of course Fultz. Fultz would still kill Jackson with his shot making and creation ability.

Jackson has "troubles even"  getting his offense running against regular decent college players. How is he going to even score against Fultz?

LOL!! omg this is hilarious

fultz would not be able to get by Jackson nor shoot over him... fultz had problems turning the corner against quick/physical pgs last season

Jackson would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosivenes....couple with Fulz weak defensive game at the moment

its almost not a fair 1 on 1 battle

LOL! OMG this is hilarious

Jackson would not he able to get his offense running with Fultz nor could he EVEN SHOOT...Jackson had problems shooting and playing offense against quick/physical players  last season

Fultz would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosiveness...couple with Jackson weak offensive game at the moment

It's almost not even a fair 1 on 1 battle  (enjoy it guys)

what are you on friend?

who was quicker than Jackson last season?  There aren't even many in the NBA that are quicker/more explosive  than Jackson........ He shot the ball from the 3 pt line at 37 percent... all fluky made 3s?

Fultz would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosiveness...couple with Jackson weak offensive game at the moment

what in heavens??

[BlackCeltic]

Josh Jackson will be a huge bust. Stay away

would you care to provide us all with some reasons? rationales? proof? data? reports? anything to nudge this post beyond being an unsupported assertion?

thank you.

I'm willing to share my concerns. First of all, I'd have to define bust, because if bust means wash out of the NBA entirely, it's very unlikely that he busts. However, he could very realistically be nothing more than a mediocre rotation player. Let's start with his defense. It's good, and he has the mindset to play great defense, but he's not the elite defender he's been made out to be. Furthermore, he's skinny and has a short wingspan, which doesn't bode well for his ability to become elite. I think he'll always be a distinctly positive defender, but I doubt he's ever elite, and the idea that he already is is comical. His offense is even scarier. I think we can all agree that Jackson's best offensive skill is his passing. However, his passing really only shines in transition, which is worrisome because what the heck does he offer in the half court. His handle is pretty good, but it's not like he's some super advanced ball-handler. His shot needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Yes, he shot 38% from three. He did that on 90 attempts. His far larger sample from before college is troubling. Couple that with his gnarly FT% and hideous form, and I feel pretty confident in Jackson's inability to shoot. In reviewing Jackson, I've been left with one extremely worrisome question: what is Jackson's avenue to being a successful offensive player? Outside of transition opportunities, I don't see how he becomes one. That's terrifying out of the #3 pick.

I find it telling that all the rabid Jackson supporters refuse (aren't able?) to respond to this.

Exactly, Tp

The reason I believe in Josh Jackson is in large part because I believe in his ability to be a primary ball handler and creator from the small forward position. He moves quickly and fluidly with the basketball and has very good athleticism and body control.  Add his good passing skills, and I believe you have a guy who you can have play with the ball in his hands at the next level.

Obviously you wouldn't put him in that role full time right away on a Celtics team that already features Isaiah Thomas, but on a team that needs additional slashers, these skills would be useful.  I'd be very excited to watch him grow as an NBA player.

Thank you for a real response. I disagree with you, but at least I know you're not just pulling stuff out of your ***.

Which part do you disagree with? That Jackson will be able to be a creator with the ball in his hands at the NBA level?

Josh Jackson's ball handling is not good.

https://youtu.be/0YCqOIlHx9g

[Somebody]

i love Browns individual potential.   Same can be said about Jacksons

but having these two , on the same team....   top notch

both can guard 1-4 . Both can score 1 on 1 due to their explosiveness

Both get to the line at a high rate.

I'd rather have Fultz and Brown.

Both being able to score 1 on 1 is questionable.

Who cares if u get to the line and can't make em.

If Fultz, Brown and Jackson reach their full potential.  Fultz will be the best player by a mile.

of course it matters...  opposing teams are over the limit quicker.....specific players in foul trouble ...   your teammates can also get to the line

Of the 3 players - Brown, Jackson and Fultz.  If they all reach their full potential, who will be better?

Also, please respond to max215's statement while ur at it

this is fantasy talk... What if Marcus Smart can shoot at even 35 percent from the 3 point line? 

Lets see fultz actually get into a proper low stance and play strong D 1st ...before we talk about full potential. 

Ok let me ask you...right  now who would win in a 1 on 1 game.  Fultz or Jackson??

this is fantasy talk...what if Mickey can block shots like Bill Russell?

Let's see if Jackson can even shoot nba threes and play better offense than Marcus Smart 1st...before we talk about his full potential.

Ok let me ask you...right now who would win in a 1 on 1 game? Fultz or Jackson? 

of course Jackson.  Jackson would smother Fultz on the defensive end

Fultz has troubles even guard regular decent college players. How is he going to stay in front/guard Jackson?

Of course Fultz. Fultz would still kill Jackson with his shot making and creation ability.

Jackson has "troubles even"  getting his offense running against regular decent college players. How is he going to even score against Fultz?

LOL!! omg this is hilarious

fultz would not be able to get by Jackson nor shoot over him... fultz had problems turning the corner against quick/physical pgs last season

Jackson would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosivenes....couple with Fulz weak defensive game at the moment

its almost not a fair 1 on 1 battle

LOL! OMG this is hilarious

Jackson would not he able to get his offense running with Fultz nor could he EVEN SHOOT...Jackson had problems shooting and playing offense against quick/physical players  last season

Fultz would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosiveness...couple with Jackson weak offensive game at the moment

It's almost not even a fair 1 on 1 battle  (enjoy it guys)

what are you on friend?

who was quicker than Jackson last season?  There aren't even many in the NBA that are quicker/explosive  than Jackson........ He shot the ball from the 3 pt line at 37 percent... all fluky made 3s?

Fultz would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosiveness...couple with Jackson weak offensive game at the moment

what in heavens??

What are you on friend?

Who gave problems to Fultz last season? There aren't even many in the NBA that can clamp down/control Fultz...... his defensive stats were not horrible...all fluky written articles on Celticsblog?

fultz would not be able to get by Jackson nor shoot over him... fultz had problems turning the corner against quick/physical pgs last season

What are you on my friend??

[nickagneta]

Can't help but wonder if the Cs do the trade and want to keep Jackson long term if the main target of free agency would be Blake Griffin. They coukd trade Rozier for a future pick and end up with

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Crowder/Jackson
Griffin/Jerebko(room exception)
Horford/Zizic

It makes the bench ridiculously young but with potential by the end of the year and next year to be something special. It also makes the bench tremendously cost controlled with the starters earning the bulk of the salary cap. This trade also could lead to several possibke future stars coming in as Horford, Bradley and IT age and the bench develops into starting stars.

[Tr1boy]

i love Browns individual potential.   Same can be said about Jacksons

but having these two , on the same team....   top notch

both can guard 1-4 . Both can score 1 on 1 due to their explosiveness

Both get to the line at a high rate.

I'd rather have Fultz and Brown.

Both being able to score 1 on 1 is questionable.

Who cares if u get to the line and can't make em.

If Fultz, Brown and Jackson reach their full potential.  Fultz will be the best player by a mile.

of course it matters...  opposing teams are over the limit quicker.....specific players in foul trouble ...   your teammates can also get to the line

Of the 3 players - Brown, Jackson and Fultz.  If they all reach their full potential, who will be better?

Also, please respond to max215's statement while ur at it

this is fantasy talk... What if Marcus Smart can shoot at even 35 percent from the 3 point line? 

Lets see fultz actually get into a proper low stance and play strong D 1st ...before we talk about full potential. 

Ok let me ask you...right  now who would win in a 1 on 1 game.  Fultz or Jackson??

this is fantasy talk...what if Mickey can block shots like Bill Russell?

Let's see if Jackson can even shoot nba threes and play better offense than Marcus Smart 1st...before we talk about his full potential.

Ok let me ask you...right now who would win in a 1 on 1 game? Fultz or Jackson? 

of course Jackson.  Jackson would smother Fultz on the defensive end

Fultz has troubles even guard regular decent college players. How is he going to stay in front/guard Jackson?

Of course Fultz. Fultz would still kill Jackson with his shot making and creation ability.

Jackson has "troubles even"  getting his offense running against regular decent college players. How is he going to even score against Fultz?

LOL!! omg this is hilarious

fultz would not be able to get by Jackson nor shoot over him... fultz had problems turning the corner against quick/physical pgs last season

Jackson would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosivenes....couple with Fulz weak defensive game at the moment

its almost not a fair 1 on 1 battle

LOL! OMG this is hilarious

Jackson would not he able to get his offense running with Fultz nor could he EVEN SHOOT...Jackson had problems shooting and playing offense against quick/physical players  last season

Fultz would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosiveness...couple with Jackson weak offensive game at the moment

It's almost not even a fair 1 on 1 battle  (enjoy it guys)

what are you on friend?

who was quicker than Jackson last season?  There aren't even many in the NBA that are quicker/explosive  than Jackson........ He shot the ball from the 3 pt line at 37 percent... all fluky made 3s?

Fultz would shoot over, drive by Fultz utilizing his elite quickness/explosiveness...couple with Jackson weak offensive game at the moment

what in heavens??

What are you on friend?

Who gave problems to Fultz last season? There aren't even many in the NBA that can clamp down/control Fultz...... his defensive stats were not horrible...all fluky written articles on Celticsblog?

fultz would not be able to get by Jackson nor shoot over him... fultz had problems turning the corner against quick/physical pgs last season

What are you on my friend??

you must be on something special   

[celticinorlando]

Jackson is physically unready for the Nba.

He is a poor outside shooter

He is a poor free throw shooter

He is a problem off the court... Physically abused a young lady on the women's team

He is just another role player. Just another body.

He adds little to this team

[hodgy03038]

Jackson is physically unready for the Nba.

He is a poor outside shooter

He is a poor free throw shooter

He is a problem off the court... Physically abused a young lady on the women's team

He is just another role player. Just another body.

He adds little to this team

So if all this is true then how does Danny not see it and you do from the internet?

Is he not the guy?

[dreamgreen]

When I found out he can't shoot it all made sense. Danny talks about shooting and scoring all the time but he continually drafts players that can't do either. A team full of Marcus Smarts gets you nothing in the NBA.

So what you are saying is...take out Smart and we would have still had the same success last season

we win game 3 against the Cavs

right?

Hey now lets not go all one game on me now he's the man! Game 4 you couldn't find him he totally disappeared! A team of Smarts wins one game against a team of Currys in best of 7!

[celticinorlando]

Jackson is physically unready for the Nba.

He is a poor outside shooter

He is a poor free throw shooter

He is a problem off the court... Physically abused a young lady on the women's team

He is just another role player. Just another body.

He adds little to this team

So if all this is true then how does Danny not see it and you do from the internet?

Is he not the guy?

You think Josh Jackson is a true difference maker?