#1 for Porzingis and #8

[ETNCeltics]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

That sums it up perfectly. Too many fans are obsessed with checking the box for the needs of 2018 instead of looking at the long-term.

I see too much potential in Fultz and our other assets to give them away for a short term window.  IMO, Porzingis is a nice but very flawed player who will make some all star games, but he's shown me nothing to make me believe he's an elite franchise player.

[RodyTur10]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

That sums it up perfectly. Too many fans are obsessed with checking the box for the needs of 2018 instead of looking at the long-term.

I see too much potential in Fultz and our other assets to give them away for a short term window.  IMO, Porzingis is a nice but very flawed player who will make some all star games, but he's shown me nothing to make me believe he's an elite franchise player.

I agree TP. We don't give up a potential superstar for positional need that won't bring us a title. It's hard to envision a way to get there next year and if there isn't, our look has to be set on the future.

It has all been very nice, this unexpected journey with Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Johnson, Horford and others, but we can safely acknowledge that this team is far from good enough to compete for a championship. Hard decisions have to be made on who is needed for the future and who is better off elsewhere.

[SHAQATTACK]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

this kinda where Im at ....TP

[mrceltics2013]

This is unrealistic. This is indicating they are building around melo...not happening. Only way this would work is if we took zinger and melo and gave them a future 1st. This frees up some cap for them and gives them future flexibility.

[max215]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

That sums it up perfectly. Too many fans are obsessed with checking the box for the needs of 2018 instead of looking at the long-term.

I see too much potential in Fultz and our other assets to give them away for a short term window.  IMO, Porzingis is a nice but very flawed player who will make some all star games, but he's shown me nothing to make me believe he's an elite franchise player.

Any time I see someone reference "need" in reference to a top-5 pick, I stop reading. There is only one "need" that matters at that stage of the draft: talent. Fultz fills that need much better than anyone else.

[loco_91]

I think I'd do this but I'm not sure. Porzi is good and we should be able to pick up Markkanen at #8 to give us the best-shooting front court in the league. But on the other hand, FULTZ...

[td450]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

The man is 7'3, and his athleticism is impressive for his size. He posted a 38" vertical at his draft combine.

He's only 21, and he averaged 18 ppg, 7 rpg and 2 bpg on a bad team as a second option with no talented passers on the roster. He's an excellent shooter and is as good on defense as he is on offense.

Talented big men are different value propositions than 6'4 guards.

As I've said earlier, we have to give up on competing for a title for the next 5 years unless we can find a way to beat GS. We can hope to put together skill guys better than Durant, Curry and Thompson, or we can try to exploit the one weakness they have, which is that they play long stretches with a 6'7 center.

Given our cap situation, we either sign Griffin, or find someone on a cost controlled contract that is talented enough to dominate Draymond Green. We can't sign Hayward, then go out and trade for another $30M player.

The players in the league who fit the profile are

Karl Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis
Joel Embiid
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Nicola Jokic (maybe)

If you want to pursue some tortured trade, you could try to get Anthony Davis or DeMarcus Cousins. Good luck with that.

Porzingis allows us to compete now, and later.

Or we can load up on talent and wait 4-5 years.

[Celtics4ever]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic.

Holy uninformed, Batman.  This is not even remotely true that he is not athletic.   He is freak.

At 7’3, Porzingis also has a 37.5-inch vertical, which is two inches higher than Blake Griffin’s.

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/kristaps-porzingis-sports-science/

Porzingis, 19, who spent the past three seasons with Cajasol Sevilla of Spain’s ACB League, has unusual gifts — Jackson said Porzingis was capable of shooting with ease from 25 feet — but will need time to develop and adapt to the physical nature of the N.B.A. He is tall, skinny and rangy. At a recent workout, he weighed 233 pounds and had a 38-inch vertical leap.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/sports/basketball/kristaps-porzingis-drafted-by-knicks-with-fourth-overall-pick.html

[Ilikesports17]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic.

Holy uninformed, Batman.  This is not even remotely true that he is not athletic.   He is freak.

At 7’3, Porzingis also has a 37.5-inch vertical, which is two inches higher than Blake Griffin’s.

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/kristaps-porzingis-sports-science/

Porzingis, 19, who spent the past three seasons with Cajasol Sevilla of Spain’s ACB League, has unusual gifts — Jackson said Porzingis was capable of shooting with ease from 25 feet — but will need time to develop and adapt to the physical nature of the N.B.A. He is tall, skinny and rangy. At a recent workout, he weighed 233 pounds and had a 38-inch vertical leap.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/sports/basketball/kristaps-porzingis-drafted-by-knicks-with-fourth-overall-pick.html

vertical leaps arent that important to me. Plenty of players who I wouldnt consider great athletes have registered pretty good vertical leaps.

Porzingis is slow and not explosive. Right now hes not a good defender, not a very good rebounder, and a very overrated offensive player.

his length and height make him a terrific candidate to improve all three of those things, but Porzingis is not as fast or as athletic as he is made out to be.

[Ilikesports17]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

The man is 7'3, and his athleticism is impressive for his size. He posted a 38" vertical at his draft combine.

He's only 21, and he averaged 18 ppg, 7 rpg and 2 bpg on a bad team as a second option with no talented passers on the roster. He's an excellent shooter and is as good on defense as he is on offense.

Talented big men are different value propositions than 6'4 guards.

As I've said earlier, we have to give up on competing for a title for the next 5 years unless we can find a way to beat GS. We can hope to put together skill guys better than Durant, Curry and Thompson, or we can try to exploit the one weakness they have, which is that they play long stretches with a 6'7 center.

Given our cap situation, we either sign Griffin, or find someone on a cost controlled contract that is talented enough to dominate Draymond Green. We can't sign Hayward, then go out and trade for another $30M player.

The players in the league who fit the profile are

Karl Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis
Nicola Jokic (maybe)

If you want to pursue some tortured trade, you could try to get Anthony Davis or DeMarcus Cousins. Good luck with that.

Porzingis allows us to compete now, and later.

Or we can load up on talent and wait 4-5 years.

you overrate Zingis.

Kristaps wouldnt have a prayer defensively against Draymond. Also Green's strength would really bother Kristapss. I really dont think Kristaps is as talented as Jokic and KAT is in a league of his own.

[Bucketgetter]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

The man is 7'3, and his athleticism is impressive for his size. He posted a 38" vertical at his draft combine.

He's only 21, and he averaged 18 ppg, 7 rpg and 2 bpg on a bad team as a second option with no talented passers on the roster. He's an excellent shooter and is as good on defense as he is on offense.

Talented big men are different value propositions than 6'4 guards.

As I've said earlier, we have to give up on competing for a title for the next 5 years unless we can find a way to beat GS. We can hope to put together skill guys better than Durant, Curry and Thompson, or we can try to exploit the one weakness they have, which is that they play long stretches with a 6'7 center.

Given our cap situation, we either sign Griffin, or find someone on a cost controlled contract that is talented enough to dominate Draymond Green. We can't sign Hayward, then go out and trade for another $30M player.

The players in the league who fit the profile are

Karl Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis
Nicola Jokic (maybe)

If you want to pursue some tortured trade, you could try to get Anthony Davis or DeMarcus Cousins. Good luck with that.

Porzingis allows us to compete now, and later.

Or we can load up on talent and wait 4-5 years.

you overrate Zingis.

Kristaps wouldnt have a prayer defensively against Draymond. Also Green's strength would really bother Kristapss. I really dont think Kristaps is as talented as Jokic and KAT is in a league of his own.

Draymond doesn’t have an offensive game...

Kristaps would do just fine defensively against him.

[tazzmaniac]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

The man is 7'3, and his athleticism is impressive for his size. He posted a 38" vertical at his draft combine.

He's only 21, and he averaged 18 ppg, 7 rpg and 2 bpg on a bad team as a second option with no talented passers on the roster. He's an excellent shooter and is as good on defense as he is on offense.

Talented big men are different value propositions than 6'4 guards.

As I've said earlier, we have to give up on competing for a title for the next 5 years unless we can find a way to beat GS. We can hope to put together skill guys better than Durant, Curry and Thompson, or we can try to exploit the one weakness they have, which is that they play long stretches with a 6'7 center.

Given our cap situation, we either sign Griffin, or find someone on a cost controlled contract that is talented enough to dominate Draymond Green. We can't sign Hayward, then go out and trade for another $30M player.

The players in the league who fit the profile are

Karl Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis
Nicola Jokic (maybe)

If you want to pursue some tortured trade, you could try to get Anthony Davis or DeMarcus Cousins. Good luck with that.

Porzingis allows us to compete now, and later.

Or we can load up on talent and wait 4-5 years.

you overrate Zingis.

Kristaps wouldnt have a prayer defensively against Draymond. Also Green's strength would really bother Kristapss. I really dont think Kristaps is as talented as Jokic and KAT is in a league of his own.

KAT isn't in a league of his own.  While his offense is great, he's a poor defender.  Embiid is better overall if he can stay healthy. 

[Bucketgetter]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

The man is 7'3, and his athleticism is impressive for his size. He posted a 38" vertical at his draft combine.

He's only 21, and he averaged 18 ppg, 7 rpg and 2 bpg on a bad team as a second option with no talented passers on the roster. He's an excellent shooter and is as good on defense as he is on offense.

Talented big men are different value propositions than 6'4 guards.

As I've said earlier, we have to give up on competing for a title for the next 5 years unless we can find a way to beat GS. We can hope to put together skill guys better than Durant, Curry and Thompson, or we can try to exploit the one weakness they have, which is that they play long stretches with a 6'7 center.

Given our cap situation, we either sign Griffin, or find someone on a cost controlled contract that is talented enough to dominate Draymond Green. We can't sign Hayward, then go out and trade for another $30M player.

The players in the league who fit the profile are

Karl Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis
Nicola Jokic (maybe)

If you want to pursue some tortured trade, you could try to get Anthony Davis or DeMarcus Cousins. Good luck with that.

Porzingis allows us to compete now, and later.

Or we can load up on talent and wait 4-5 years.

you overrate Zingis.

Kristaps wouldnt have a prayer defensively against Draymond. Also Green's strength would really bother Kristapss. I really dont think Kristaps is as talented as Jokic and KAT is in a league of his own.

KAT isn't in a league of his own.  While his offense is great, he's a poor defender.  Embiid is better overall if he can stay healthy.

Huge if. He hasn’t been able to so far.

[nickagneta]

I would give up Brooklyn 2018, 2p19 Memphis and Crowder for Porzingas. Sorry but at 21 Porzingas is still young and is a proven NBA player that should develop easily into a multi-time All-Star.

The same can't be said for who those two picks would become. For all we know Brooklyn 2018 could end up in the 6-10 area next year missing out on the best talent in a draft that is pretty poorly rated after the top 4 picks.

I go for the sure thing. Of course, I doubt NYK does that trade unless Porzingas forces his way out of New York.

[Dannys Chipotle Guy]

KP is a nice player but he is slow and not very athletic. IMO you don't trade a talent that could be a superstar for a guy that hopes to make some all star games.

The man is 7'3, and his athleticism is impressive for his size. He posted a 38" vertical at his draft combine.

He's only 21, and he averaged 18 ppg, 7 rpg and 2 bpg on a bad team as a second option with no talented passers on the roster. He's an excellent shooter and is as good on defense as he is on offense.

Talented big men are different value propositions than 6'4 guards.

As I've said earlier, we have to give up on competing for a title for the next 5 years unless we can find a way to beat GS. We can hope to put together skill guys better than Durant, Curry and Thompson, or we can try to exploit the one weakness they have, which is that they play long stretches with a 6'7 center.

Given our cap situation, we either sign Griffin, or find someone on a cost controlled contract that is talented enough to dominate Draymond Green. We can't sign Hayward, then go out and trade for another $30M player.

The players in the league who fit the profile are

Karl Anthony Towns
Kristaps Porzingis
Nicola Jokic (maybe)

If you want to pursue some tortured trade, you could try to get Anthony Davis or DeMarcus Cousins. Good luck with that.

Porzingis allows us to compete now, and later.

Or we can load up on talent and wait 4-5 years.

you overrate Zingis.

Kristaps wouldnt have a prayer defensively against Draymond. Also Green's strength would really bother Kristapss. I really dont think Kristaps is as talented as Jokic and KAT is in a league of his own.

KAT isn't in a league of his own.  While his offense is great, he's a poor defender.  Embiid is better overall if he can stay healthy.

Id say Embiids injuries are roughly equal to KATS D.