AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)

[tazzmaniac]

I assume you are freeing up that cap space to sign a free agent.  So what do you do next offseason when IT, Bradley and Smart are all free agents?  You can't re-sign them all because of the luxury tax.   

This myth that Smart is going to get top dollar is silly.   He is not even close to being a max player with his shooting.   

I think IT will be the odd man out at the trade deadline.  Smart, I think will be cheaper but if some fool pays him, so be it.   AB is the only guy on that list that can play decent on both ends of the court.   IT is a superb offensive guy with poor D, AB is solid on both ends, Smart is a good defender but could not make two with a pencil.   

Unless, Smart miraculously develops a shot he is not going to be super expensive.

Didn't say anything about Smart getting anything near Max.  One of IT or AB is definitely gone after next season.  Smart at 10-12M per year might need to go as well. 

[Tr1boy]

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Yes. As I've been keeping for long, Bradley is the kind of players that can take you to the next level: top defense and an offense whose improvement has been steady year after year. Work ethic, it is called. Hopefully, Ainge also sees it that way.

AB has a lot of great qualities for sure but he still can't dribble or pass it's very frustrating and IMO those qualities are what make the great teams great. Everyone on GSW can do them and many on CLE. Hayward can and that's what makes him a better player than AB.

AB is not a "primary" type of player

he is like a derek fisher, pippen

the quicker you accept this...the less you can be critical of him.  He has overachieved if you ask me

[Celtics4ever]

AB is not a "primary" type of player

he is like a derek fisher, pippen

the quicker you accept this...the less you can be critical of him.  He has overachieved if you ask me

I concur with this but you need those kind of guys to win.   He is not as good as Pippen though better than Fisher, except in big moments.

Didn't say anything about Smart getting anything near Max.  One of IT or AB is definitely gone after next season.  Smart at 10-12M per year might need to go as well.

My bad then, sorry.   

[saltlover]

AB is not a "primary" type of player

he is like a derek fisher, pippen

the quicker you accept this...the less you can be critical of him.  He has overachieved if you ask me

I concur with this but you need those kind of guys to win.   He is not as good as Pippen though better than Fisher, except in big moments.

I don't know -- he's had multiple game-winners against the Cavs.  He's pretty good in big moments.

[Eddie20]

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Yes. As I've been keeping for long, Bradley is the kind of players that can take you to the next level: top defense and an offense whose improvement has been steady year after year. Work ethic, it is called. Hopefully, Ainge also sees it that way.

AB has a lot of great qualities for sure but he still can't dribble or pass it's very frustrating and IMO those qualities are what make the great teams great. Everyone on GSW can do them and many on CLE. Hayward can and that's what makes him a better player than AB.

AB is not a "primary" type of player

he is like a derek fisher, pippen

the quicker you accept this...the less you can be critical of him.  He has overachieved if you ask me

It's completely ridiculous that you're grouping Pippen with the likes of Bradley and Fisher. The guy was on the 50 best players team, perennial all-star, HOF'r, and selected to the Dream Team. Not even sure Leonard is better than Pippen, just to give you an idea of how good he was.

You should strongly consider editing your post and replacing Pippen with the likes of AC Green, Horry, etc.

[Ilikesports17]

Incredibly insulting to scottie pippen.

Completely drains your credibility

[gouki88]

Yeah, grouping Scottie Pippen with 4th/5th starters on championship teams is incredible.

Would be like saying Rodney Stuckey is on the same tier as a player like DWade.

[CFAN38]

getting away from the Pippen non sense. (drop a prime pippen in the league right now you and you have a better facilitating K Leonard)


Another long term way to look at an AB for #7 based deal.


2017 Draft
      #1 Fultz
      #7 Issac

2018 Draft
       Porter Jr. or Doncic

Cs youth movement roster

PG Fultz
SG Brown
SF Porter/Doncic or worst case M Bridges
PF Issac
C Zizic
6th Smart

granted everyone will not reach their potential but at least on paper thats an amazing fit. With Fultz or Porter/Doncic early conciseness is they should develop into a top duo in the league. When playing small with Smart in at SG and Issac (hopefully bulked up) this roster would have amazing defensive versatility.

[dreamgreen]

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Yes. As I've been keeping for long, Bradley is the kind of players that can take you to the next level: top defense and an offense whose improvement has been steady year after year. Work ethic, it is called. Hopefully, Ainge also sees it that way.

AB has a lot of great qualities for sure but he still can't dribble or pass it's very frustrating and IMO those qualities are what make the great teams great. Everyone on GSW can do them and many on CLE. Hayward can and that's what makes him a better player than AB.

AB is not a "primary" type of player

he is like a derek fisher, pippen

the quicker you accept this...the less you can be critical of him.  He has overachieved if you ask me

Move away from the Pippen thing for a minute cause I think we both know you made a mistake on that one. 

I agree 100% with you on AB the problem is he is one of our best players and to be a great team he needs to be our 4th or 5th best, maybe 6th. So sometimes you have to move the AB's of the world to upgrade your roster.

[tonydelk]

I am unsure Bradley is the guy that will be gone.  Look at the two best teams in the league.  Defense and shooting are prime.  Golden State has 3 very good defenders on the floor at all times and 4 of 5 are great shooters.  Keeping Smart over Bradley doesn't make sense unless Smart some how turns into a 35% 3pm shooter over the season.  He can play shutdown D but he is a liability on offense.  The Celtics need more shooting.  Plain and simple.  If Bradley is moved it has to be for a shooting Big.  Not another draft pick.  I don't think there will be a trade on draft night.  The C's will have a typical draft picking Fultz and trading two of those 2nd round picks.  The fireworks will happen after FA.  If the Celtics can sign Hayward or Blake then you will see a guard moved.  If the Celtics don't land a FA then you will see a move for a guy like Butler and a FA pickup like Alex Len.  Fultz, Zizic, Yabu, Nader will be the rookies next year.  Everything depends on FA.

[Celtics4ever]

I am unsure Bradley is the guy that will be gone.  Look at the two best teams in the league.  Defense and shooting are prime.

I agree.  Some guys here forget defense is half the game.   TP

Though, I could see a scenario where LeBron demands a defender and the CAVs wanting to upgrade with AB.   Ainge will demand Love.  We may be able to capitalize on LeBron's panic if they do poorly.

[Irish Stew]

Let's try to look at this from the Wolves perspective. You want to give me what is essentially an expiring contract and two unproven players who were drafted in the teens for the 7th pick in what is believed to be a very deep draft? Not happening. The same holds true for the offer to the Knicks for the 8th pick. Teams drafting at 7or 8 are hoping to get an All-Star, not role players and roster fillers. It doesn't guarantee that they will get an All-Star, but they will be fishing in the right pond.

[td450]

Let's try to look at this from the Wolves perspective. You want to give me what is essentially an expiring contract and two unproven players who were drafted in the teens for the 7th pick in what is believed to be a very deep draft? Not happening. The same holds true for the offer to the Knicks for the 8th pick. Teams drafting at 7or 8 are hoping to get an All-Star, not role players and roster fillers. It doesn't guarantee that they will get an All-Star, but they will be fishing in the right pond.

I don't like the deal from the C's perspective, but Minny would do well to take that deal. If you look at their guards, AB would be a huge addition for them. They need everything he brings: defense on the point (they have bigger ball handlers who are better off guarding twos), shooting, and most importantly, veteran leadership. Its a good draft, but they have plenty of youthful talent, and its a coin toss whether the guy they get ever gets to be as good as Bradley is right now.

They would want to pay him and they are a team with a future, so he'd likely want to stay. Rozier is someone worth betting on and Yabu is well worth taking a risk on.

From the C's point of view, I see Crowder, Smart and Rozier leaving before AB, and Yabu isn't worth enough as a filler to give him up. Why not hold on to him and see what he is?

Still, you never know what the offers will be. A godfather offer will not be ignored by Ainge.

[footey]

Don't get all the love for Isaac. Not impressive for Florida State last season. I'd target someone better if we're trying to move up, say Tatum or Jackson if everyone goes point guard happy and one of them slips. I also like the Giles idea. More realistic.

[BlackCeltic]

Bradley is gone. He is too expensive and we should move him before we make any max offers.