AB is likely gone on draft draft (speculation)

[CFAN38]

Without diving to deep into the cap situation (becuase of my lack of detailed understanding and I think most people on here have a basic idea how its going to work) the bottom line for this off-season is that adding Hayward is going to mean tough choices for the Cs. Ryan at Celticshub has done a great job breaking this down.

Bottom line Hayward likely means trading Bradley, Rozier and Jackson. Waiving Mickey and Zeller. Renouncing KO and leaving Yabu over seas or trading him. Not to mention leting AMir, JJ, and Green walk.

This is a guy check but if DA and BS think Hayward is worth it this is how I think things play out.

Trade ideas,

AB + Rozier + Yabu to Min for #7 pick (2.7 mill)

AB + Rozier + Yabu to NYK for #8 pick (2.5mill)

AB + Rozier + Yabu to Detriot for #12( 2mill) and S Johnson (3mill) or Ellenson (1.7mill)

AB + Rozier to Bulls for #16 1.6)mill and Portis (1.4mill) [if Wade become 6th man]

why, Minn /Detiot and the knicks are never patient all want to start winning with their young talent. AB would bring playoff experience and a vet leader to these teams. He is the perfect Thibs and Van Gundy player. Rozier could be swapped out for a future lotto protected 1st if the T-Wolves like their current PG depth. Yabu could be a nice fit next to KAT/Drummond/Porzingis long term. For the Cs #7/#8 gives them a chance to add a real high ceiling young player based on DX mock I would target Issac or Tatum if he falls. #12 would likely be Z Collin or Markkennin. The Bulls trade would give the Cs a starting big in Portis the 16th pick could be used on a player who fell out of the lottery or moved for a another future pick. The Bulls could go this route if they can sell Wade on a 6th man role.

My favorite options above is the T-Wolves. The idea of getting Fultz and Issac in this draft is really appealing. I figure Fultz would set right into AB minutes next season while Issac will need the year to work on his game and more importantly his body in main. Long term Issac could be the idea new NBA PF. His ability to give rim protection, hit the 3 and legitimately guard the perimeter could prove to be a huge factor for this teams young core.

To round out the draft I would target Swanigan or Peteres in the early 2nd and a wing like Hart , Bacon, of Thornwell in the mid to late second

After this deal the Cs would have the room to go after Hayward. If signed the Cs have upgraded their roster despite loosing AB and Rozier. Roziers minutes would likely go to Brown next season. If Hayward is not signed they can retain KO and use extra cap $$ to sign a lesser FA on a short deal (like they did with Amir and JJ) and or extend IT early. Extending IT early should help the team cap wise. If not I would plan on IT becoming a FA and the Cs watching to see if anyone really will offer him big money. I have been a trade IT guy in the recent past but my guy tells me sadly AB is the odd man out.

After this DA has to work his magic to fill out the roster with Vet min guys

If all goes acoording to plan the rotation next year is...

PG IT
SG Smart
SF Hayward
PF Crowder
C  Horford
6th Fultz
7th Brown
8th Zizic
9th Vet FA

The future core is the following

PG Fultz
SG Smart
SF Brown
PF Issac
C  Ziziv
2018 Nets pick
future clippers, Cs and Grizz picks

the future looks bright and the present looks like 3 years of deep playoff runs   

   

[JBcat]

I think if Bradley is traded it will be for a future pick, not this year's so the pick's cap hold doesn't affect our cap space this.  If he is traded for a pick this year I'd like to somehow sneak into 4 or 5 and grab Tatum.

[Roy H.]

Yeah, as JB said, if the goal is to create cap space we might not look to add a draft pick (and a corresponding cap hold) this year.

[CFAN38]

I think if Bradley is traded it will be for a future pick, not this year's so the pick's cap hold doesn't affect our cap space this.  If he is traded for a pick this year I'd like to somehow sneak into 4 or 5 and grab Tatum.

Looking over the numbers (by no means an expert) I believe the #7 pick still allows the Cs to sign Hayward. After then any little bit on cap space left is insignificant. I would rather have Issac or long shot Tatum on the roster this year developing with the team then another pick next season.

For the sake of debate. This is a plausible Tatum/Issac to Cs draft.

#1 Cs       Fultz
#2 LAL     Ball
#3 76ers Jackson
#4 Suns  Fox (if they want to move Bledsoe and pair him with Booker)
#5 Kings Smith
#6 Magic Monk
#7 Cs      Tatum/Issac

I suspect the Kings draft Tatum and then pick up their PG at #10 but you never know with the Kings

[Roy H.]

I think if Bradley is traded it will be for a future pick, not this year's so the pick's cap hold doesn't affect our cap space this.  If he is traded for a pick this year I'd like to somehow sneak into 4 or 5 and grab Tatum.

Looking over the numbers (by no means an expert) I believe the #7 pick still allows the Cs to sign Hayward. After then any little bit on cap space left is insignificant. I would rather have Issac or long shot Tatum on the roster this year developing with the team then another pick next season.

For the sake of debate. This is a plausible Tatum/Issac to Cs draft.

#1 Cs       Fultz
#2 LAL     Ball
#3 76ers Jackson
#4 Suns  Fox (if they want to move Bledsoe and pair him with Booker)
#5 Kings Smith
#6 Magic Monk
#7 Cs      Tatum/Issac

I suspect the Kings draft Tatum and then pick up their PG at #10 but you never know with the Kings

The cap hold for the #7 pick is $3.822 million.

If you renounce KO it's doable, which it looks like you did. In that case, it's not necessary to add both Yabu and Rozier into the deal, I think (but I haven't broken out the calculator).

[Tr1boy]

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

[tazzmaniac]

I think if Bradley is traded it will be for a future pick, not this year's so the pick's cap hold doesn't affect our cap space this.  If he is traded for a pick this year I'd like to somehow sneak into 4 or 5 and grab Tatum.

Looking over the numbers (by no means an expert) I believe the #7 pick still allows the Cs to sign Hayward. After then any little bit on cap space left is insignificant. I would rather have Issac or long shot Tatum on the roster this year developing with the team then another pick next season.

For the sake of debate. This is a plausible Tatum/Issac to Cs draft.

#1 Cs       Fultz
#2 LAL     Ball
#3 76ers Jackson
#4 Suns  Fox (if they want to move Bledsoe and pair him with Booker)
#5 Kings Smith
#6 Magic Monk
#7 Cs      Tatum/Issac

I suspect the Kings draft Tatum and then pick up their PG at #10 but you never know with the Kings

Since you're getting rid of AB and KO, you should have plenty of cap space even with the #7 pick.  Most people posit it as getting rid of AB or KO to free up Max cap space this year.  I think next offseason both AB and KO would need to be gone anyway so trading AB for the #7 or #8 is a no brainer but getting #12 or #16 would still be good. 

This approach maintains flexibility.  You add a young asset to develop but also available to trade if a star becomes available.  It is a longshot but if AD becomes available next offseason we better have the assets to go after him.  TP.

[tazzmaniac]

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Liking a player isn't going to prevent Ainge from trading him.  It just means he's going to want more value back.  He had prior trade discussions about Pierce before the Nets trade.  A good GM needs to be heartless sometimes. 

[Celtics4ever]

The future core is the following

PG Fultz
SG Smart
SF Brown
PF Issac
C  Ziziv

A SG guard that can't shoot that is a novel idea.

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Yeah, I think some guys on the board have cooked up this idea and ran with it, without any basis in fact or practicality.  AB is argubly our second best scorer and our best perimeter defender.   Why trade him for an unproven rookie?   


As for guys I could see us unloading the following:
I see us unloading K0, Amir and JJ that is  4.5 + 12 +5 for 21.5 million.   Add in James Young, 1.8, Gerald Green 1.4, and RJ 1.2 and that is another 4 million.  Mickey is another 1.2 Million so your up to 26.7 Million.  Then cut Jackson and your looking at 29.  Still a little short of a max player.  Ainge has an army of second round picks to reload the end of the bench.

[tazzmaniac]

The future core is the following

PG Fultz
SG Smart
SF Brown
PF Issac
C  Ziziv

A SG guard that can't shoot that is a novel idea.

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Yeah, I think some guys on the board have cooked up this idea and ran with it, without any basis in fact or practicality.  AB is argubly our second best scorer and our best perimeter defender.   Why trade him for an unproven rookie?   


As for guys I could see us unloading the following:
I see us unloading K0, Amir and JJ that is  4.5 + 12 +5 for 21.5 million.   Add in James Young, 1.8, Gerald Green 1.4, and RJ 1.2 and that is another 4 million.  Mickey is another 1.2 Million so your up to 26.7 Million.  Then cut Jackson and your looking at 29.  Still a little short of a max player.  Ainge has an army of second round picks to reload the end of the bench.

I assume you are freeing up that cap space to sign a free agent.  So what do you do next offseason when IT, Bradley and Smart are all free agents?  You can't re-sign them all because of the luxury tax.   

[obnoxiousmime]

If Hayward signs and we draft Fultz, realistically we lose at least two out of the three (Thomas, Bradley and Smart). If we don't get Hayward and draft Fultz, realistically we lose at least one of the three. If we don't draft or trade the pick for a guard, it's possible we keep all 3, but even then it'd be problematic. Smart is not a legitimate starter, how much can you expect to pay a backup? Bradley will get big offers, is it wise to pay both him and Thomas big money to be our main backcourt long-term?

I think the most probable result is they draft Fultz and make a decision between Bradley and Thomas. Smart is likely gone in most scenarios.

[Darío SpanishFan]

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Yes. As I've been keeping for long, Bradley is the kind of players that can take you to the next level: top defense and an offense whose improvement has been steady year after year. Work ethic, it is called. Hopefully, Ainge also sees it that way.

[Celtics4ever]

I assume you are freeing up that cap space to sign a free agent.  So what do you do next offseason when IT, Bradley and Smart are all free agents?  You can't re-sign them all because of the luxury tax.   

This myth that Smart is going to get top dollar is silly.   He is not even close to being a max player with his shooting.   

I think IT will be the odd man out at the trade deadline.  Smart, I think will be cheaper but if some fool pays him, so be it.   AB is the only guy on that list that can play decent on both ends of the court.   IT is a superb offensive guy with poor D, AB is solid on both ends, Smart is a good defender but could not make two with a pencil.   

Unless, Smart miraculously develops a shot he is not going to be super expensive.

[dreamgreen]

Danny had talks with AB regarding draft prospects 1-2 weeks ago

Danny likes AB alot. I doubt it

Yes. As I've been keeping for long, Bradley is the kind of players that can take you to the next level: top defense and an offense whose improvement has been steady year after year. Work ethic, it is called. Hopefully, Ainge also sees it that way.

AB has a lot of great qualities for sure but he still can't dribble or pass it's very frustrating and IMO those qualities are what make the great teams great. Everyone on GSW can do them and many on CLE. Hayward can and that's what makes him a better player than AB.

[slamtheking]

I don't see AB going anywhere this offseason, certainly not on draft night.  if Danny lands Hayward as a free agent, maybe he moves him if he thinks Brown/Smart can slide into the starting spot but at this point I think that's a very big IF.