Marcus Smart for Detroit #12

[Darío SpanishFan]

I think Detroit only would make this move for IT (the medical would be an issue, though). And I would strongly consider that before letting him go for nothing in 2018. Obviously, drafting Fultz is part of it.

Starting five: Smart/Bradley/Hayward/FA*/Horford.
Bench: Rozier/Fultz/J.Brown/Crowder/Zizic + nº 12 pick (Adebayo, Markkanen, Giles).

*A minimum FA to give a veteran presence, for example Nenê.

I think it makes sense. We have better defense, while Hayward and the developmen of Jaylen Brown + Fultz can somehoy replace IT's offense (obviously, with a different system).

[Jvalin]

Detroit probably hangs up laughing at that offer.   IF we trade back in it ought to be for a big not another guard like Ntilikina.  You would think people should learn their lesson that you can't win with all guards.   Small ball is a tactical option a team can use by switching personnel , it should not be your only option.

I know, it's just that I 'm really sold on Ntilikina. I couldn't pass up the chance to draft him at #12 (if still available). You are right though. The logical thing to do is to draft a PF/C.

[CFAN38]

I say no but the logic is sound.

If Zach Collins is around he would be a long term piece. However Smart is so valuable on the court in crunch time. I agree DA has some tough choices ahead but at the end of the day I would rather see a future of with a core of Fultz, Smart and Jaylen then trade away the youth to build for next season. It will be tough to see but either IT or AB will have to be moved at the deadline. This offseason I think Rozier has to be moved, KO let go, and Yabu left in China in order to sign Hayward. 

[Ilikesports17]

I think Detroit only would make this move for IT (the medical would be an issue, though). And I would strongly consider that before letting him go for nothing in 2018. Obviously, drafting Fultz is part of it.

Starting five: Smart/Bradley/Hayward/FA*/Horford.
Bench: Rozier/Fultz/J.Brown/Crowder/Zizic + nº 12 pick (Adebayo, Markkanen, Giles).

*A minimum FA to give a veteran presence, for example Nenê.

I think it makes sense. We have better defense, while Hayward and the developmen of Jaylen Brown + Fultz can somehoy replace IT's offense (obviously, with a different system).

I really don't think Hayward comes here if we trade IT but that's been well covered.

i despise this trade either way.

[playdream]

I won't trade Smart for less than #6 in this draft
People forget he was the #6 pick and just outplayed Lebron in one of the ECF games

[Atzar]

It would be great value for Smart, and I'd do it for that reason alone.  But I don't think it's a good fit for either team. 

I think it's a bad deal for Detroit though.  They have a lot of needs, but Smart doesn't address any of them - and even if they love Smart, the #12 is an overpay for him in my opinion.

[mctyson]

I don't love it. We're likely going to lose AB in free agency or via trade. Smart is more important than the #12 pick is likely to be.

But are we realistically going to resign/extend him in 2018, especially with Fultz (PG that can play SG) and Jaylen (SH that can play SF)?

I think resigning him is realistic at this point, yes.

Yeah, kinda weird how people want to trade him for a low-lottery pick but then figure he is going to get $15M+ on the open market.

[oldtype]

Obviously you would need to add more to the deal to make it work for Detroit, probably some grab bag of stuff in the Rozier/Jackson/2nd round picks range, maybe even one of our own first rounders.  Just curious what people think of the general idea of a Smart-based package for #12 in general, not implying that Smart = #12 pick.

If Yabusele refused to be stashed for an extra year, he'd make an intriguing sweetener here as well and we could get off his salary.

[Darío SpanishFan]

If Yabusele refused to be stashed for an extra year, he'd make an intriguing sweetener here as well and we could get off his salary.

Then you are trading two recent 6 + 16 picks for 12. This has no sense.

[Ilikesports17]

If Yabusele refused to be stashed for an extra year, he'd make an intriguing sweetener here as well and we could get off his salary.

Then you are trading two recent 6 + 16 picks for 12. This has no sense.

Where those guys were picked is entirely irrelevant. Yabu was 16th primarily because we needed to take someone stashable and that was a notoriously Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty draft. He also just had surgery.

Smart was taken 3 years ago. Jahlil Okafor was the #3 pick 2 years ago, but Im sure as hell not trading a top 10 pick for him this year.

[oldtype]

If Yabusele refused to be stashed for an extra year, he'd make an intriguing sweetener here as well and we could get off his salary.

Then you are trading two recent 6 + 16 picks for 12. This has no sense.

It makes perfect sense: draft picks suffer from new car syndrome unless they have flashed previously unexpected potential. Their value plummets once they step on the court. (This may be less true for Yabusele since he hasn't actually played yet, but he was a massive reach at #16 to begin with.)

Jaylen Brown, for example, would barely net you #10 in this draft despite the fact that he's had a pretty good year. That's because a lot of the value of a draft pick is tied to the small possibility that the player you draft is a generational outlier and blows up completely beyond expectations. Once that lottery ticket value is gone and the player is just a player, they're just not as valuable.

[Jvalin]

If Yabusele refused to be stashed for an extra year, he'd make an intriguing sweetener here as well and we could get off his salary.

Then you are trading two recent 6 + 16 picks for 12. This has no sense.

Doesn't matter where they got picked. By that logic we should trade Yabu (#16) + fillers for Giannis (#15).

[Ilikesports17]

If Yabusele refused to be stashed for an extra year, he'd make an intriguing sweetener here as well and we could get off his salary.

Then you are trading two recent 6 + 16 picks for 12. This has no sense.

It makes perfect sense: draft picks suffer from new car syndrome unless they have flashed previously unexpected potential. Their value plummets once they step on the court. (This may be less true for Yabusele since he hasn't actually played yet, but he was a massive reach at #16 to begin with.)

Jaylen Brown, for example, would barely net you #10 in this draft despite the fact that he's had a pretty good year. That's because a lot of the value of a draft pick is tied to the small possibility that the player you draft is a generational outlier and blows up completely beyond expectations. Once that lottery ticket value is gone and the player is just a player, they're just not as valuable.

the Jaylen Brown thing is more a product of last years draft sucking at the top and this years being really good at the top.

[Dino Pitino]

Jaylen Brown, for example, would barely net you #10 in this draft despite the fact that he's had a pretty good year.

One of the most preposterous statements I've seen here, ever.

[oldtype]

Jaylen Brown, for example, would barely net you #10 in this draft despite the fact that he's had a pretty good year.

One of the most preposterous statements I've seen here, ever.

Find that hard to believe. How high of a pic do you think you could get for Jaylen Brown?