Marcus Smart for Detroit #12

[ETNCeltics]

I don't think the trade does a lot for either team.

Smart doesn't help Detroit move forward other than marginally, and if AB is potentially leaving, trading him hurts our perimeter defense. He's much more valuable to us than he is to Detroit.

[mrceltics2013]

I swear only celtics fans find so much value in Marcus Smart lol. He is no where near worth a 12th pick. AB would be the only person worth a 12th. yall need to take off the green googles when talking about Smart lol. Until he improves his entire offense (playmaking, BBIQ, shooting, etc) he has no value as a primary trade option.

[keevsnick]

I think Detroit says no, number twelve is too much to give up for Smart. I know he's a great defender but his horrible offense prevents him from even being a start in the league (at least for now) and he has only a year left on his contract before he gets a raise. Bradley is more like equivalent value. Utah trade the #12 a last year I think for one year of George Hill (it was a three team deal) which I think is probably roughly equivalent to Bradley value wise.

[Ilikesports17]

I swear only celtics fans find so much value in Marcus Smart lol. He is no where near worth a 12th pick. AB would be the only person worth a 12th. yall need to take off the green googles when talking about Smart lol. Until he improves his entire offense (playmaking, BBIQ, shooting, etc) he has no value as a primary trade option.

Some fairly reputable guy recently speculated that Marcus has late first trade value which makes sense.

hes only got a year left on his deal and he is a horrible scorer.

Trading him just doesnt make much sense to me. I think he will be affordable to resign and he has already proven he can be a great role player. I think you can get him back for ~15 mil a year which I think is pretty decent for a guy who has already proven he can be the #5 guy on a 53 win team and he has proven x-factor ability. He was absolutely critical in our game 1 comeback against Washington and our game 7 win against them as well. He also carried us in our game 3 win against Cleveland and going back a year was crucial in our game 4 win over Atlanta.

Consider this. We have won 11 playoff games in the past 2 years and Marcus Smart has been the turning point in 4 of them. Thats a good guy to keep around on an affordable contract.

you have to listen to offers for him, because one of him or Bradley have to go, but i have to imagine Bradley's offensive abilities will yield a greater return and more importantly will make him really difficult to resign.

[mrceltics2013]

Man I get rid of Smart in a heartbeat and keep AB! I'm going to miss what AB brings to the court but there is just no way we can keep him.

[vjcsmoke]

15m for Smart?  Wut?  That's overpay in the extreme.  Smart hasn't done anything yet to make that kind of money.  He is still on his rookie deal, and when that expires he'll be an RFA and we'll give him the tender which I am confident is a lot less than 15m a year.

[Bucketgetter]

There is actually a pretty huge drop off after 11. The 12th pick seems better than it really is. Markannen and Zach Collins will both be gone. You’re looking at your choice of Justin Jackson, Jarrett Allen, Giles, Adebayo, Leaf, etc. Not sure things at all.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Detroit will only take back 3pt shooters to put around Drummond.

Sorry everyone. More likely to go for Crowder.

Incumbent PG he'd be replacing is a career 32% three-point shooter. His backcourt mate is a career 33% three-point shooter. Obviously Smart is next-level horrible at shooting, but it's not as if SVG only plays with JJ Reddicks in the backcourt.

We all know what Crowder is. A team like Detroit needs to roll the dice on young guys with potential upside instead of just stocking up on really good role players.

You never mentioned Smart's horrible first-step and limited driving game.

[chilidawg]

I swear only celtics fans find so much value in Marcus Smart lol. He is no where near worth a 12th pick. AB would be the only person worth a 12th. yall need to take off the green googles when talking about Smart lol. Until he improves his entire offense (playmaking, BBIQ, shooting, etc) he has no value as a primary trade option.

Some fairly reputable guy recently speculated that Marcus has late first trade value which makes sense.

hes only got a year left on his deal and he is a horrible scorer.



Consider this. We have won 11 playoff games in the past 2 years and Marcus Smart has been the turning point in 4 of them. Thats a good guy to keep around on an affordable contract.

you have to listen to offers for him, because one of him or Bradley have to go, but i have to imagine Bradley's offensive abilities will yield a greater return and more importantly will make him really difficult to resign.

And how many playoff games have we lost where he shot 1-7 with 4 turnovers?  You can't just look at it one way.  Until he he becomes a league average offensive player he doesn't have that much value.

[positivitize]

no.

[Ilikesports17]

I swear only celtics fans find so much value in Marcus Smart lol. He is no where near worth a 12th pick. AB would be the only person worth a 12th. yall need to take off the green googles when talking about Smart lol. Until he improves his entire offense (playmaking, BBIQ, shooting, etc) he has no value as a primary trade option.

Some fairly reputable guy recently speculated that Marcus has late first trade value which makes sense.

hes only got a year left on his deal and he is a horrible scorer.



Consider this. We have won 11 playoff games in the past 2 years and Marcus Smart has been the turning point in 4 of them. Thats a good guy to keep around on an affordable contract.

you have to listen to offers for him, because one of him or Bradley have to go, but i have to imagine Bradley's offensive abilities will yield a greater return and more importantly will make him really difficult to resign.

And how many playoff games have we lost where he shot 1-7 with 4 turnovers?  You can't just look at it one way.  Until he he becomes a league average offensive player he doesn't have that much value.

Looking at it 1 way was not my intention.

I acknowledge that he is awful on offense and agree with an evaluation that places his value around the back end of the first round. I think he does have a terrific ability to be an x-factor and has already proven he can be the 5th guy on a 53 win team.

I don't think you are gonna get hardly any value for him in a trade and I think he can be affordable retained. That's why I think you keep the guy who with no improvement can be your x-factor role player 6th-8th man. If he gets his offense to league average(not particularly likely) he's all of a sudden one of the best role players in the league and could easily be instrumental in a championship run.

[Jvalin]

I know we already have a ton of guards but I really really like Ntilikina. Perhaps Danny likes him as well.

- good defender
- huge wingspan
- can shoot the three

Anyway, as much as I love Smart, I 'm OK trading him for the 12th pick (draft either Ntilikina or a PF/C).

Problem is, I don't believe Smart on his own is worth a late lotto pick.

[Androslav]

Depending on the precise cap number trading Smart for the 12th pick could be a sweet move. The cap is projected at 101 mil $. Low number of playoff games doesn't help in that regard.
Reasons why to do it:
- We need cap space to sign the best FA of the summer avalible in Gordon Hayward
- We need to think ahead towards the summer of 2018 when IT, Bradley and Smart are all FA. Cap hygene. Smart is the least good out of the 3.
- Smarts 2 main contributing areas are passing/playmaking and defensive versatility. First one is replaced by IT, Fultz and Rozier. 2nd one can be relieved via trade or draft.
- Smart is a borderline NBA starter, for us the bar is set higher and we need players that make teams pay from behind the 3pt line. Marcus proved he is not the answer.
- We could adress the wing versatility by drafting OG Aunoby and put him on our nice Fultz/Brown/Žižić... timeline.

Why should Detroit do it:
- Unsolved PG status, Marcus can help them. Jackson or Ish someone will surely go. Jackson still has some value.
- Teams inability to sign FA due to cap limitations.
- Marcus is war ready and would be plug and play option scrapping in his contract year. OMG Smart in a contract year.
- He looks like a Detroit kind of guy. Tough and agitating.

If it is true, that SVG would do such a move, then this move could be done at some point.

[Celtics4ever]

Detroit probably hangs up laughing at that offer.   IF we trade back in it ought to be for a big not another guard like Ntilikina.  You would think people should learn their lesson that you can't win with all guards.   Small ball is a tactical option a team can use by switching personnel , it should not be your only option.

[showtime]

You probably couldn't get more than a 2nd round pick for Smart on his own. I would offer Smart and Crowder for Pick #12 and Morris.