Proposal 2017 Nets pick (if 3-4 position) - for Gordon or Saric?

[Tr1boy]

Did you see KO's game last night?   



Can the Celtics trade him for a top 4 pick? (if he wasn't a FA)

If he plays like that consistently moving fwd...yes

Jaylen Brown said if KO plays this way moving fwd Celts could make the Finals...I believe him

[kozlodoev]

Did you see KO's game last night?   



Can the Celtics trade him for a top 4 pick? (if he wasn't a FA)

If he plays like that consistently moving fwd...yes

Jaylen Brown said if KO plays this way moving fwd Celts could make the Finals...I believe him

Dario Saric doesn't exactly strike me as a model of consistency.

[crimson_stallion]

You've got to be kidding.  Tatum or Isaac are both far better prospects than Gordon or Saric.

This.

Gordon wasn't even a good prospect when he was a prospect.  I never saw what other's saw in that kid - an unskilled athletic tweener who looked like he would peak as a fringe starter at best or defensive role player at worst.

He's yet to prove me wrong.

What about this game?
https://youtu.be/-DJne1B1Zm8

Or vs Celts?
https://youtu.be/6MiULNhtb10

Gordon would fit like a glove under CBS

But sounds like you rather have Saric

I wouldnt mind acquiring one of these players.  They can be traded for... If Danny chooses

Why do you show highlights of two games to try to sell me about a mediocre player?

Kelly Olynyk just scored 26 points to carry the Celtics to the ECF.  Can I link a video of that game to the Warriors GM, and maybe he'll consider trading me Klay Thompson for Olynyk?

Come on man - I can give you highlights of just about any player in this league to make them look special.

Reality is that Gordon has been playing significant minutes on a crap team for years now, and he's still yet to put up anything more then 'meh' numbers, and his team has yet to contend for anything other then the lottery. 

I don't care what one useless YouTube Video says.  Gordon would be a terrible fit in Boston.  We need two major things here - a volume scorer to take pressure off Thomas, and a bit time rebounder to fix the fact that we are one of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA.  Gordon isa mediocre scorer and a mediocre rebounder, and to make matters worse he's also a mediocre shooter and passer (and our offense is built on outside shooting and ball movement).

So no, he's not a good fit here.  He's one of the worst possible fits here.  Totally useless to us.  He is quite literally a younger Amir Johnson at best.

And no, I don't want Saric either.  People are amazed that he put up such good numbers in his *ahem* "Rookie" *ahem* year.  The guy's been playing professional ball in Europe for how long now?  He's no rookie. 

Yet he still averaged "only" 12.8 Points and 6.3 rebounds on a garbage Philadelphia team, while shooting positively mediocre 41% / 31% / 78% to go with it.

These would be plenty decent numbers if he was a legit "just came out of college" 20 year old rookie, but he's not.  He's a 23 year old who has already played 250 games across 5 seasons in a professional euro league. 

He put up "decent" numbers last year - which is exactly what I would expect from a 23 year old with 5 years of pro experience playing on a garbage 76ers team.

So no - I will not trade a 19 year old Tatum for a 23 year old Saric or a 21 year old Gordon - neither of whom appears like they will ever be a difference maker in this league.

I mean really, what part of Aaron Gordon's 12.7 points, 5.1 rebounds (45% / 29% / 72%) in 29 minutes is supposed to impress me?

Tobias Harris at 21 averaged 14.6 points, 7 rebounds (46% / 25% / 80%) in 30 minutes
Jabari Parker at 21 averaged 20.1 points, 6.2 rebounds (49% / 36% / 74%) in 34 minutes

Those are the guys you just compared Tatum to, yet I wouldn't take Gordon over a 21 year old Harris or a 21 year old Parker - and I wouldn't take him over a 19 year old Tatum either.

[kozlodoev]

These would be plenty decent numbers if he was a legit "just came out of college" 20 year old rookie, but he's not.  He's a 23 year old who has already played 250 games across 5 seasons in a professional euro league.

Saric will be ok, but I'm not sure he'll be "here's the 4th pick" type of ok.

But it's worth noting that for the last couple of months (when he established himself in the starting lineup), he was good for 17 ppg and 7 rpg.

[Granath]

Dumbest poll ever.

/thread

[moiso]

Showing highlights to prove any point other than perhaps jumping ability is a joke.  Don't do it!

[Tr1boy]

These would be plenty decent numbers if he was a legit "just came out of college" 20 year old rookie, but he's not.  He's a 23 year old who has already played 250 games across 5 seasons in a professional euro league.

Saric will be ok, but I'm not sure he'll be "here's the 4th pick" type of ok.

But it's worth noting that for the last couple of months (when he established himself in the starting lineup), he was good for 17 ppg and 7 rpg.

He was very good

[crimson_stallion]

These would be plenty decent numbers if he was a legit "just came out of college" 20 year old rookie, but he's not.  He's a 23 year old who has already played 250 games across 5 seasons in a professional euro league.

Saric will be ok, but I'm not sure he'll be "here's the 4th pick" type of ok.

But it's worth noting that for the last couple of months (when he established himself in the starting lineup), he was good for 17 ppg and 7 rpg.

Oh I'm sure he will be - no doubts about that. 

But Tatum as 19 years old is already an extremely talented and versatile offensive player, and he's got 3-4 years to catch up with Saric's age.  That's 3-4 years of NBA experience and tutelage on top of the talent he already has.

Call me crazy, but I'll take that over Saric any day - even if he does look like a pretty solid player. 

Plus lets not forget, the numbers that Saric is putting up - he's putting up those numbers on a lottery team, and one that (prior to this year) was the worst team in the league for something like 3 years running.  It's easy to put up big numbers on a crap team that only has a handful of useful offensive options.  SOMEBODY has to get those points, and Embiid (the only other legit player on the team) barely played one third of a season.

[rondofan1255]

Neither should be a poll option IMO

[Ilikesports17]

Need an option od "neither" because my answer to this would be "Good lord no..."

Assuming Fultz goes #1, I'd take Tatum or Ball over Gordon/Saric all day, every day. 

While dropping to #4 is possible, the probability of that happening is so incredibly low that I'd barely even bother preparing for it.

Gordon's potential is pretty limited - he'll never be a star.  Saric's potential is probalby higher, but I still don't think he'll be anything that special.  Tatum could be a major star - sky high potential.

His defense will never be as good as Gordon. Saric is 6'10 and can be classified as a legit PF

What is tatum?

Too many games he scored 2-4 pts by the end of the 1st half. Not intense enough defensively..

Look at james young. More talented offensively than Crowder.  No playing time under cbs

that is such a dumb critique.

He scored in double figures in all but 3 games.

Go in depth in his scoring

2-4 pts by end of 1st half... Sure he may still end up with 14 pts

But there were one too many games where he was like a ghost in the 1st half

If he was a ghost in first halfs and still ended up scoring 17  game as a freshman, then holy cow what is the upside on this kid.

His team lost many of these games and it didnt matter by then

Duke lost what in the 1st or 2nd round of the ncaa tourney?  Poor showing

Good ACC tourney. But why not March Madness?

Tatum reminds me of Tobias Harris , Parker, Porter. Take your pick.  None of these players likely play ahead of Crowder come the 4th quarter under CBS system

Take my pick?

If Parker had ACLs and defended like Taytum projects to, hed be a no-doubt all-star. Otto Porter doesnt have 1/10th of the natural scoring talent of Tatum and he would absolutely start for Stevens either over Crowder or at the 4 spot.

Harris is a decent comp, but Tatum projects as a rich-man's harris.

Also you brush away his ACC tourney... the guy averaged 20+ a game while carrying his team to an ACC tourney win. Thats not insignificant. Thats not just a stretch of a few good games.

Your critique that he struggled in the beginning of games is pointless. He scored 17 a game despite starting the season late due to injury. Hes a stud scorer. You seem to acknowledge that by  comparing him to Parker, but the Porter comp leads me to believe you just picked all the 6'8" guys with similar skin tones and made those the comparisons.

[Tr1boy]

Gordon and Saric are on crappy teams... Its not like Tatum could do any better...

Gordon or saric on a better team like Celtics... That would be a nice addition

Dont get the hate on Gordon....

[Ilikesports17]

These would be plenty decent numbers if he was a legit "just came out of college" 20 year old rookie, but he's not.  He's a 23 year old who has already played 250 games across 5 seasons in a professional euro league.

Saric will be ok, but I'm not sure he'll be "here's the 4th pick" type of ok.

But it's worth noting that for the last couple of months (when he established himself in the starting lineup), he was good for 17 ppg and 7 rpg.

stats down the stretch for Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ty teams arent that important. 

[kozlodoev]

But Tatum as 19 years old is already an extremely talented and versatile offensive player, and he's got 3-4 years to catch up with Saric's age. That's 3-4 years of NBA experience and tutelage on top of the talent he already has.

Which is essentially meaningless. How old you are does not guarantee anything about the type of player you're going to be.

[crimson_stallion]

These would be plenty decent numbers if he was a legit "just came out of college" 20 year old rookie, but he's not.  He's a 23 year old who has already played 250 games across 5 seasons in a professional euro league.

Saric will be ok, but I'm not sure he'll be "here's the 4th pick" type of ok.

But it's worth noting that for the last couple of months (when he established himself in the starting lineup), he was good for 17 ppg and 7 rpg.

He was very good

That's what people said about Okafor when he was averaging 17 and 7 as a legit rookie on that garbage 76ers team.

He's not looking so hot any more, is he?  With a reduction in his role he also saw a reduction in Per-36 stats pretty much across the board - points went down, rebounds went down, tunovers and fouls went up, and he still had some of the worst advanced stats I've ever seen.

Moral of the story - putting up decent numbers on a garbage 76ers team doesn't say much about your ability as a player.  Just ask Ish Smith.

[boscel33]

If we are dealing the 3rd or 4th pick I think we can do better than Gordon or Saric.

Like what?

Booker from the Suns?  They get two top lottery picks with theirs and the C's.