Proposal 2017 Nets pick (if 3-4 position) - for Gordon or Saric?

[Tr1boy]

Need an option od "neither" because my answer to this would be "Good lord no..."

Assuming Fultz goes #1, I'd take Tatum or Ball over Gordon/Saric all day, every day. 

While dropping to #4 is possible, the probability of that happening is so incredibly low that I'd barely even bother preparing for it.

Gordon's potential is pretty limited - he'll never be a star.  Saric's potential is probalby higher, but I still don't think he'll be anything that special.  Tatum could be a major star - sky high potential.

His defense will never be as good as Gordon. Saric is 6'10 and can be classified as a legit PF

What is tatum?

Too many games he scored 2-4 pts by the end of the 1st half. Not intense enough defensively..

Look at james young. More talented offensively than Crowder.  No playing time under cbs

that is such a dumb critique.

He scored in double figures in all but 3 games.

Go in depth in his scoring

2-4 pts by end of 1st half... Sure he may still end up with 14 pts

But there were one too many games where he was like a ghost in the 1st half

[Ilikesports17]

Need an option od "neither" because my answer to this would be "Good lord no..."

Assuming Fultz goes #1, I'd take Tatum or Ball over Gordon/Saric all day, every day. 

While dropping to #4 is possible, the probability of that happening is so incredibly low that I'd barely even bother preparing for it.

Gordon's potential is pretty limited - he'll never be a star.  Saric's potential is probalby higher, but I still don't think he'll be anything that special.  Tatum could be a major star - sky high potential.

His defense will never be as good as Gordon. Saric is 6'10 and can be classified as a legit PF

What is tatum?

Too many games he scored 2-4 pts by the end of the 1st half. Not intense enough defensively..

Look at james young. More talented offensively than Crowder.  No playing time under cbs

that is such a dumb critique.

He scored in double figures in all but 3 games.

Go in depth in his scoring

2-4 pts by end of 1st half... Sure he may still end up with 14 pts

But there were one too many games where he was like a ghost in the 1st half

If he was a ghost in first halfs and still ended up scoring 17  game as a freshman, then holy cow what is the upside on this kid.

[crimson_stallion]

Need an option od "neither" because my answer to this would be "Good lord no..."

Assuming Fultz goes #1, I'd take Tatum or Ball over Gordon/Saric all day, every day. 

While dropping to #4 is possible, the probability of that happening is so incredibly low that I'd barely even bother preparing for it.

Gordon's potential is pretty limited - he'll never be a star.  Saric's potential is probalby higher, but I still don't think he'll be anything that special.  Tatum could be a major star - sky high potential.

His defense will never be as good as Gordon. Saric is 6'10 and can be classified as a legit PF

What is tatum?

Too many games he scored 2-4 pts by the end of the 1st half. Not intense enough defensively..

Look at james young. More talented offensively than Crowder.  No playing time under cbs

Firstly, you have no way of proving his defence will never be as good as Gordon.  Gordon's defence was raved about in college, and he's not lived up to that hype.  He's been solid, nothing more.   

Secondly, Gordon has all of about zero potential as an offensive player.  He's always been limited offensively, and he probably always will be - he's shown little sign of that changing.  Tatum has a complete offensive game ALREADY.  His star potential is exponentially higher then Gordon's ever was.

James Young has never EVER had offensive talent.  It's a silly claim that people made just because he managed to score something like 15 PPG in college and played for a good team - who doesn't score 15 PPG in college?

Young has never had the physical tools to be effective as an NBA scorer.  He isn't quick enough, he has poor handles, he is a meh rebounder, he is a horrendous defender (always has been) and his only offensive talent is spot up threes.  I called all of this from day 1 and never understood why people were obsessed with him - he never had any semblance of an elite talent.   Even his three point shooting in college was pretty medicore if you look at his percentages.

Crowder has pretty much always averaged around 10 - 12 points over 36 at least, even when he was playing limited minutes in Dallas.  His major criticism offensively was his jumper, and he has improved on that.  But he could always get to the basket reasonably effectively and has always had great physical tools.

[Ilikesports17]

Need an option od "neither" because my answer to this would be "Good lord no..."

Assuming Fultz goes #1, I'd take Tatum or Ball over Gordon/Saric all day, every day. 

While dropping to #4 is possible, the probability of that happening is so incredibly low that I'd barely even bother preparing for it.

Gordon's potential is pretty limited - he'll never be a star.  Saric's potential is probalby higher, but I still don't think he'll be anything that special.  Tatum could be a major star - sky high potential.

His defense will never be as good as Gordon. Saric is 6'10 and can be classified as a legit PF

What is tatum?

Too many games he scored 2-4 pts by the end of the 1st half. Not intense enough defensively..

Look at james young. More talented offensively than Crowder.  No playing time under cbs

Gordon came out of college with a rep as someone who had the potential to be a very good defender. I don't think he's a very good defender, though.

Really? 

Aaron Gordon defensive stops
https://youtu.be/d3n0lhe01ok

Ive got no doubt that he can make the highlight defensive play, but is he a good team and individual defender on a regular basis? or is it just the flashy highlight play here and there, masking some mediocre defense.

I genuinely dont know. I dont watch enough Orlando Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing Magic to know.

[Smokeeye123]

If the pick is 3 I still think we can get Jimmy Butler. Butler for 3, Smart, and crowder seems more than fair. I would absolutely not include Brown or Rozier.

Saric is nasty but im weary of creating a Philadelphia juggernaut. Say they win the lottery AND get the lakers pick at 4. Are we gonna give them 3 so they have 3 top 4 picks?

[wdleehi]

Are they sending back another top 10 1st round pick? 




Otherwise, terrible in terms of value.

[oldtype]

You've got to be kidding.  Tatum or Isaac are both far better prospects than Gordon or Saric.

[Tr1boy]

Need an option od "neither" because my answer to this would be "Good lord no..."

Assuming Fultz goes #1, I'd take Tatum or Ball over Gordon/Saric all day, every day. 

While dropping to #4 is possible, the probability of that happening is so incredibly low that I'd barely even bother preparing for it.

Gordon's potential is pretty limited - he'll never be a star.  Saric's potential is probalby higher, but I still don't think he'll be anything that special.  Tatum could be a major star - sky high potential.

His defense will never be as good as Gordon. Saric is 6'10 and can be classified as a legit PF

What is tatum?

Too many games he scored 2-4 pts by the end of the 1st half. Not intense enough defensively..

Look at james young. More talented offensively than Crowder.  No playing time under cbs

that is such a dumb critique.

He scored in double figures in all but 3 games.

Go in depth in his scoring

2-4 pts by end of 1st half... Sure he may still end up with 14 pts

But there were one too many games where he was like a ghost in the 1st half

If he was a ghost in first halfs and still ended up scoring 17  game as a freshman, then holy cow what is the upside on this kid.

His team lost many of these games and it didnt matter by then

Duke lost what in the 1st or 2nd round of the ncaa tourney?  Poor showing

Good ACC tourney. But why not March Madness?

Tatum reminds me of Tobias Harris , Parker, Porter. Take your pick.  None of these players likely play ahead of Crowder come the 4th quarter under CBS system

[Tr1boy]

If the pick is 3 I still think we can get Jimmy Butler. Butler for 3, Smart, and crowder seems more than fair. I would absolutely not include Brown or Rozier.

Saric is nasty but im weary of creating a Philadelphia juggernaut. Say they win the lottery AND get the lakers pick at 4. Are we gonna give them 3 so they have 3 top 4 picks?

No way. Too much to give up for Butler

[crimson_stallion]

You've got to be kidding.  Tatum or Isaac are both far better prospects than Gordon or Saric.

This.

Gordon wasn't even a good prospect when he was a prospect.  I never saw what other's saw in that kid - an unskilled athletic tweener who looked like he would peak as a fringe starter at best or defensive role player at worst.

He's yet to prove me wrong.

[crimson_stallion]

Need an option od "neither" because my answer to this would be "Good lord no..."

Assuming Fultz goes #1, I'd take Tatum or Ball over Gordon/Saric all day, every day. 

While dropping to #4 is possible, the probability of that happening is so incredibly low that I'd barely even bother preparing for it.

Gordon's potential is pretty limited - he'll never be a star.  Saric's potential is probalby higher, but I still don't think he'll be anything that special.  Tatum could be a major star - sky high potential.

His defense will never be as good as Gordon. Saric is 6'10 and can be classified as a legit PF

What is tatum?

Too many games he scored 2-4 pts by the end of the 1st half. Not intense enough defensively..

Look at james young. More talented offensively than Crowder.  No playing time under cbs

that is such a dumb critique.

He scored in double figures in all but 3 games.

Go in depth in his scoring

2-4 pts by end of 1st half... Sure he may still end up with 14 pts

But there were one too many games where he was like a ghost in the 1st half

If he was a ghost in first halfs and still ended up scoring 17  game as a freshman, then holy cow what is the upside on this kid.

His team lost many of these games and it didnt matter by then

Duke lost what in the 1st or 2nd round of the ncaa tourney?  Poor showing

Good ACC tourney. But why not March Madness?

Tatum reminds me of Tobias Harris , Parker, Porter. Take your pick.  None of these players likely play ahead of Crowder come the 4th quarter under CBS system

And you're trying to tell me that Aaron Gordon would start at the SF spot over Crowder?  Seriously?   

Or is your argument that Gordon would instead play PF alongside Horford?  Because Harris, Parker and Tatum could also all play the PF spot every bit as effectively as Gordon could (probably more). 

I'm also not sure why you are so worried that Tatum reminds you of Harris and Parker - they are both better players then Aaron freaking Gordon.

[CFAN38]

Neither should be an option.

I would consider Tatum, Jackson and Issac all superior prospects to Gordon and Saric. Not by a lot but still superior. Issac had a statistically similar rookie season to Gordon, however he is 6'11 and a superior offensive player. Tatum isn't the defender Gordon is but is similar size and a fare superior offensive player. Jackson is Gordons equal on defense with a much more developed offense. Saric is the inferior athlete to all three and lacks the ceiling of these players.   

[Tr1boy]

You've got to be kidding.  Tatum or Isaac are both far better prospects than Gordon or Saric.

This.

Gordon wasn't even a good prospect when he was a prospect.  I never saw what other's saw in that kid - an unskilled athletic tweener who looked like he would peak as a fringe starter at best or defensive role player at worst.

He's yet to prove me wrong.

What about this game?
https://youtu.be/-DJne1B1Zm8

Or vs Celts?
https://youtu.be/6MiULNhtb10

Gordon would fit like a glove under CBS

But sounds like you rather have Saric

I wouldnt mind acquiring one of these players.  They can be traded for... If Danny chooses

[Tr1boy]

Saric vs Celts highlights
https://youtu.be/dVtCs0RCh4U

[wdleehi]

Did you see KO's game last night?   



Can the Celtics trade him for a top 4 pick? (if he wasn't a FA)