Proposal 2017 Nets pick (if 3-4 position) - for Gordon or Saric?

[Moranis]

What a weird thread.

Gordon and Saric are both good young players who still have potential, but neither is worth the #4 pick in this draft.

Even ignoring the strength of talent at the top of this draft, you have to discount each just because of where they are in their contracts compared to full rookie contract control over the pick.

When you look at the talent, Gordon is an extremely gifted athlete who still has a lot of 'potential', but needs to be in a system that fits him.  I liked him coming out of college, but don't see him being a good fit at all with how the Cs play.  He still has time to improve his skills and maybe he could be developed to be a better fit, but he's about to get paid on his next contract.  That becomes an expensive gamble on development.  I don't think I'm in for that and certainly not for the #4 pick.

In a way I feel like Gordon has been screwed by having his rookie contract development time spent on bad team that did not really develop certain necessary skills in him that would make him a much more valuable pro.   Or maybe he just doesn't have the ability for those skills.  At any rate, I don't think it makes sense to give up a hugely valuable pick and then have to sign him to a much larger mid-career contract on the gamble that he still might be able to develop his missing tools.

Saric, on the other hand, is someone whose game I think would be a great fit for the Cs.  I've liked his skill set, his overall game for years.   Love his attitude on the court as well.  But again, no way do I think he's worth the #4 overall pick.   He's a guy I'd definitely be willing to give a lower pick, like a 10 - 15 pick for.  But we don't have anything like that.

Is this what you think the 76ers will accept for Saric?

15th pick?? .

I honestly think they would probably take a pick in the 9-12 range if they liked a guy. They wouldn't even bother asking for a top 4 for him. I mean even Philly fans would be over the moon if they could get the 3rd or 4th pick for Saric. I am pretty baffled you think his value is that high. He is one of the oldest rookies in the league at 23 and came over NBA ready with an NBA body. He will still improve but he certainly isn't projected to be a future superstar but anyone at this point.

this is just nonsense. Post all star break Saric averaged 17.3/7.3/3.6 in just over 30 mpg starting all 25 games he played.  This as a rookie. Sure an older rookie but still a rookie. You would easily expect better numbers as his efficiency increases with experience.

Eh.  What were Okafor's rookie numbers again?  Oh yeah, 17.5/7 in 30 over 53 games.

Don't get me wrong, I like Saric.  But let's don't oversell here.

sure but Okafor was a terrible defender. Saric is not.  Showed nice passing skills and decent enough touch that you would believe he can improve. Saric will likely be what we hoped Olynyk could have been.  I'd want more than Saric for 3 or 4 but would love to have Dario as the starting PF for Boston next year.

[celticsclay]

What a weird thread.

Gordon and Saric are both good young players who still have potential, but neither is worth the #4 pick in this draft.

Even ignoring the strength of talent at the top of this draft, you have to discount each just because of where they are in their contracts compared to full rookie contract control over the pick.

When you look at the talent, Gordon is an extremely gifted athlete who still has a lot of 'potential', but needs to be in a system that fits him.  I liked him coming out of college, but don't see him being a good fit at all with how the Cs play.  He still has time to improve his skills and maybe he could be developed to be a better fit, but he's about to get paid on his next contract.  That becomes an expensive gamble on development.  I don't think I'm in for that and certainly not for the #4 pick.

In a way I feel like Gordon has been screwed by having his rookie contract development time spent on bad team that did not really develop certain necessary skills in him that would make him a much more valuable pro.   Or maybe he just doesn't have the ability for those skills.  At any rate, I don't think it makes sense to give up a hugely valuable pick and then have to sign him to a much larger mid-career contract on the gamble that he still might be able to develop his missing tools.

Saric, on the other hand, is someone whose game I think would be a great fit for the Cs.  I've liked his skill set, his overall game for years.   Love his attitude on the court as well.  But again, no way do I think he's worth the #4 overall pick.   He's a guy I'd definitely be willing to give a lower pick, like a 10 - 15 pick for.  But we don't have anything like that.

Is this what you think the 76ers will accept for Saric?

15th pick?? .

I honestly think they would probably take a pick in the 9-12 range if they liked a guy. They wouldn't even bother asking for a top 4 for him. I mean even Philly fans would be over the moon if they could get the 3rd or 4th pick for Saric. I am pretty baffled you think his value is that high. He is one of the oldest rookies in the league at 23 and came over NBA ready with an NBA body. He will still improve but he certainly isn't projected to be a future superstar but anyone at this point.

this is just nonsense. Post all star break Saric averaged 17.3/7.3/3.6 in just over 30 mpg starting all 25 games he played.  This as a rookie. Sure an older rookie but still a rookie. You would easily expect better numbers as his efficiency increases with experience.

Eh.  What were Okafor's rookie numbers again?  Oh yeah, 17.5/7 in 30 over 53 games.

Don't get me wrong, I like Saric.  But let's don't oversell here.

sure but Okafor was a terrible defender. Saric is not.  Showed nice passing skills and decent enough touch that you would believe he can improve. Saric will likely be what we hoped Olynyk could have been.  I'd want more than Saric for 3 or 4 but would love to have Dario as the starting PF for Boston next year.

come on man. He was putting up those numbers, at least the second two thirds of it in garbage time basketball. Are you going to tell me you think hield and wcs are good cause they put up numbers in the same situation? Ainge would hang up the phone before philly could ask for the number 4 or 3 pick and you know this also. Stop wasting everyone's time with garbage please

[MJohnnyboy]

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[Ilikesports17]

If we can get a verbal agreement from Hayward for a max, does Bradley+Crowder for Saric make sense?

huge defensive downgrade and we probably give up the best player in the draft, but it would really help big man depth and would allow us to keep Olynyk.