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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #315 on: February 20, 2017, 12:23:15 AM »

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Let's give our organization the benefit of the doubt. If Brad didn't want him in the locker room, and I'm sure they talked to IT4 about him, I'm sure they had good reason to not give up on their assets.

I wouldn't fault a team for believing in their highest draft pick in 20 years and their top pick in a loaded draft the next two seasons.

Cousins is a good talent. But, he's shooting 45% with 4 turnovers a game on a team that hasn't made the playoffs since he arrived there. He is a nuisance in the locker room, constantly picks up technicals, and basically loses as many games with his temper/actions/suspensions as he wins with his talent.

I like him and wish we got him. But I'll trust the organization that built our treasure chest to not unload it on someone they didn't love.

Gosh, I hate to be that guy, but we're never going to unload it. #keepallourpicksandassetsforever

Yeah maybe he will keep them all. Maybe he won't. It's a question that may be answered in 4 days. Or this summer. Or next February. Or next June/July. We won't know until it happens.

Ainge has done a good job thus far. I don't think he was asleep at the wheel tonight.

I think he squandered an incredible opportunity to add a seminal talent to the roster. Won't have another chance to add an All-NBA big at such a low cost anytime soon.

Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #316 on: February 20, 2017, 12:23:18 AM »

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It seems that the Kings might be buying out Evans. Would we have interest in him off the bench? Hasn't Danny always been a big fan of his?
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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #317 on: February 20, 2017, 12:24:14 AM »

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Well, I think Ainge and Brad didn't want him potentially messing everything up. That's the main point I think and I understand.

I wouldve taken the risks still though.

Yeah, I would have hated to see our non-contender disrupted.

Yeah, the guys who've built a 48 win playoff team clearly don't understand basketball as some guys on a message board.

I'm listening to some doofus on ESPN just flat out blame the Kings for everything and actually compared the Pelicans to Golden State.  Words fail me.

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Danny and Brad aren't infallible. Hell, Brad - despite his deity status - has yet to win a playoff series.

But is every GM/coach now incompetent when that was the best package presented to SAC? Most teams entertaining Cousins were not putting together big packages for him. I find it hard to believe they don't know his talent better than we do. I find it harder to believe they don't know exactly how much baggage he carries compared to us fans.
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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #318 on: February 20, 2017, 12:25:31 AM »

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It seems that the Kings might be buying out Evans. Would we have interest in him off the bench? Hasn't Danny always been a big fan of his?

Good fit for Cleveland.


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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #319 on: February 20, 2017, 12:27:11 AM »

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Well, I think Ainge and Brad didn't want him potentially messing everything up. That's the main point I think and I understand.

I wouldve taken the risks still though.

Yeah, I would have hated to see our non-contender disrupted.

Yeah, the guys who've built a 48 win playoff team clearly don't understand basketball as some guys on a message board.

I'm listening to some doofus on ESPN just flat out blame the Kings for everything and actually compared the Pelicans to Golden State.  Words fail me.

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Danny and Brad aren't infallible. Hell, Brad - despite his deity status - has yet to win a playoff series.

In two tries? One with a bit-piece rebuilding team.

The patience with this one.


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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #320 on: February 20, 2017, 12:27:50 AM »

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How long do we realistically have to add around IT and Horford? 2 years?

Will IT even be the same player in 2 years with his small frame?

If we're not going to try and get all NBA level talent in here then think about moving IT, making Smart the starter and drafting fultz and go young

Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #321 on: February 20, 2017, 12:28:23 AM »

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Aldridge says it's both the 2017 and 2019 1sts. A little less slanted with some implosion insurance for the Kings, if true.

The picks are going to be in the late teen-20's. I don't see how they consider that value.

I am sure the Celtics picks in 16, 17 and 18 would be worthless as well after Nets were so kind to take our aging stars from us  :D.  Hard to know what impact of Cousins will be on that team. Talent does not always overcome crazy or malcontent attitude...How has Howard been since he left Magic? What about Carl Everett after he signed with the Sox? Michael Vick? Randy Moss could have been best receiver ever...Alex Rodrigues with steroids still amounted to poison for Yankees....Great talent definitely does not always lead to great results....

On a different note, how I would love to see Warriors lose to NO and have KD bolt after loss...doubtful but would love it nonetheless

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« Reply #322 on: February 20, 2017, 12:30:06 AM »

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Well, I think Ainge and Brad didn't want him potentially messing everything up. That's the main point I think and I understand.

I wouldve taken the risks still though.

Yeah, I would have hated to see our non-contender disrupted.

Stay the course. This may not be our year, but the '20's may be our decade.

... said every team with consecutive lottery picks, ever.

How many teams with consecutive top-5 picks (in DEEP drafts) are already 50+ game winners?

Unless those picks turn into All-NBA players, it doesn't matter does it?

We're a team with one star. Our second best player is old. We have a ton of guys who have bargain contracts that are up in the next two seasons.

Our window to become a contender is this trade deadline and next off-season. After that our financial flexibility evaporates.

If you don't think the top 3 prospects in this draft are potential All-NBA players, then I understand why you believe this was a big misstep.

I believe they are, and we can find a potential all-star big the year after.

Of course this is all optimism and wishful-thinking on my part, but not completely unfounded.

We have Smart and Brown who can turn into all-stars, plus two more picks that could potentially become all-stars. We have a current all-star (IT4), a former one (Horford), and a fringe one (Bradley).

I don't blame our organization for liking the talent/assets we have and the chemistry we built.
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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #323 on: February 20, 2017, 12:30:16 AM »

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How long do we realistically have to add around IT and Horford? 2 years?

Will IT even be the same player in 2 years with his small frame?

If we're not going to try and get all NBA level talent in here then think about moving IT, making Smart the starter and drafting fultz and go young

IT did play with Cousins before, just because he publicly compliments him doesn't mean the same discussions are had in private.
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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #324 on: February 20, 2017, 12:30:54 AM »

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Let's give our organization the benefit of the doubt. If Brad didn't want him in the locker room, and I'm sure they talked to IT4 about him, I'm sure they had good reason to not give up on their assets.

I wouldn't fault a team for believing in their highest draft pick in 20 years and their top pick in a loaded draft the next two seasons.

Cousins is a good talent. But, he's shooting 45% with 4 turnovers a game on a team that hasn't made the playoffs since he arrived there. He is a nuisance in the locker room, constantly picks up technicals, and basically loses as many games with his temper/actions/suspensions as he wins with his talent.

I like him and wish we got him. But I'll trust the organization that built our treasure chest to not unload it on someone they didn't love.

Gosh, I hate to be that guy, but we're never going to unload it. #keepallourpicksandassetsforever

Yeah maybe he will keep them all. Maybe he won't. It's a question that may be answered in 4 days. Or this summer. Or next February. Or next June/July. We won't know until it happens.

Ainge has done a good job thus far. I don't think he was asleep at the wheel tonight.

I think he squandered an incredible opportunity to add a seminal talent to the roster. Won't have another chance to add an All-NBA big at such a low cost anytime soon.

I have to believe a Butler/George trade is s realistic opportunity at this point.

Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #325 on: February 20, 2017, 12:31:04 AM »

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Aldridge says it's both the 2017 and 2019 1sts. A little less slanted with some implosion insurance for the Kings, if true.

Looks like Aldridge was mistaken on the 2019 1st.

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Correction: the Kings will get a 2017 1st/2017 2nd along with Hield, Evans, etc., for Cousins. Sac originally asked for 2019 1st; NO balked.

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« Reply #326 on: February 20, 2017, 12:31:09 AM »

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Danny could have and SHOULD HAVE beat this offer.  [dang]...
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Re: Woj: Kings ARE Engaging in Trade Discussions Involving Boogie
« Reply #327 on: February 20, 2017, 12:31:38 AM »

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It's kind of telling that the only team willing to bid for him was one of the most incompetent front offices in the league.


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« Reply #328 on: February 20, 2017, 12:31:55 AM »

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Very relieved we did not give up Brown and 2018 Brooklyn. Too much for an unpredictable, immature, albeit talented, player.

Thank you Danny and Brad.

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« Reply #329 on: February 20, 2017, 12:32:36 AM »

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This whole "popped up so quickly" stuff seems fairly ridiculous. Just because the media didn't know about discussions going on before today doesn't mean that the Pels and Kings hadn't been having talks for weeks. I seriously doubt that this trade was put together in just the few hours some are hinting that it happened in.

Are you followimg the news or just making assumptions? If you follow the tweets you'll see very clearly Cousins' agent saying TODAY that he spoke to management and they said they weren't going to trade him. This is a full 180 from that statement. You now have WOJ and Stien saying that this trade has destroyed the Kings' credibility in future free agent signings.