Marcus Smart and KO next contracts?

[Tr1boy]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

[straightouttabahstun]

We're paying Smart. There's no question. The team's makeup changes without him in a very negative way. He has things you can't teach. That's a very easy answer.

Oly's contract on the other hand..

[apc]

DA got a tough job going into next season.
3 stashes coming in...
1 top pick
I am guessing our 2nd rounders will be stashed again..

DA needs to consolidate.

[BitterJim]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

Smart is worth more than Crabbe, but Crabbe is overpaid right now, so I don't know who will have the bigger contract 2 years from now (but I suspect it will be Crabbe)

KO is probably worth about as much as Ryan Anderson, but Anderson has a longer track record and has played a much bigger role on his teams.  I think Kelly's injury history could end up hurting him (although it didn't seem to hurt Anderson).  I think Kelly will get around $16 million per year, which is well short of Anderson's $20 per

[Tr1boy]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

Smart is worth more than Crabbe, but Crabbe is overpaid right now, so I don't know who will have the bigger contract 2 years from now (but I suspect it will be Crabbe)

KO is probably worth about as much as Ryan Anderson, but Anderson has a longer track record and has played a much bigger role on his teams.  I think Kelly's injury history could end up hurting him (although it didn't seem to hurt Anderson).  I think Kelly will get around $16 million per year, which is well short of Anderson's $20 per

KO might take that. His agent on the other hand..

Smart will prob demand 17-20 million a year also

AB and IT4 are going to want 25-30 million a season...

Can the Celts afford everyone?

[saltlover]

Ainge would be very wise to lock Marcus up next summer and not let him hit free agency, if possible.  He's someone I could see a team throwing a lot of money at, daring the Celtics to match.

I like Olynyk.  My gut says that his next contract won't be ridiculous.  There's less money out there this year than last.  My hope for Olynyk is in the $12-14 million range annually.  I'd love to sign him for 5 years.  The increases to draft scales, max salaries, and MLE contracts will keep the super subs contracts from getting overinflated.

I don't think Smart is worth the max, but I could see a team like Brooklyn or Philly daring the Celtics to match in 2018, because there's a chance he continues to improve enough to make even that contract worth it.  So again, I hope Ainge is able to find the smaller number this summer that he's willing to accept.

[TheTruthFot18]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

Smart is worth more than Crabbe, but Crabbe is overpaid right now, so I don't know who will have the bigger contract 2 years from now (but I suspect it will be Crabbe)

KO is probably worth about as much as Ryan Anderson, but Anderson has a longer track record and has played a much bigger role on his teams.  I think Kelly's injury history could end up hurting him (although it didn't seem to hurt Anderson).  I think Kelly will get around $16 million per year, which is well short of Anderson's $20 per

KO and Anderson had similar years 1-3 but Anderson started in the 4th year and went up to mid teens in scoring while KO has stayed the same in the same role.

Anderson then got a $32/33 mil contract over 4 years. In today's money that would equal around $13-14 mil/year. Would we give KO that? Before I did that calculation I was thinking something like 3/30 to 3/36. But then again, someone like Brooklyn or Sacramento will prob throw way more at him in desperation.

[Darío SpanishFan]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

Smart is worth more than Crabbe, but Crabbe is overpaid right now, so I don't know who will have the bigger contract 2 years from now (but I suspect it will be Crabbe)

KO is probably worth about as much as Ryan Anderson, but Anderson has a longer track record and has played a much bigger role on his teams.  I think Kelly's injury history could end up hurting him (although it didn't seem to hurt Anderson).  I think Kelly will get around $16 million per year, which is well short of Anderson's $20 per

KO might take that. His agent on the other hand..

Smart will prob demand 17-20 million a year also

AB and IT4 are going to want 25-30 million a season...

Can the Celts afford everyone?

And Horford has a max contract. So the answer is no, it isn't affordable. Danny will have to make numbers like an engineer this summer.

Because, as APC says, we have three stashes coming, a top-4 pick, a 30something picks and two 50something picks. Add this to what Triboy has stated and I highly doubt Ainge will sleep this coming months.

[Ilikesports17]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

Smart is worth more than Crabbe, but Crabbe is overpaid right now, so I don't know who will have the bigger contract 2 years from now (but I suspect it will be Crabbe)

KO is probably worth about as much as Ryan Anderson, but Anderson has a longer track record and has played a much bigger role on his teams.  I think Kelly's injury history could end up hurting him (although it didn't seem to hurt Anderson).  I think Kelly will get around $16 million per year, which is well short of Anderson's $20 per

KO might take that. His agent on the other hand..

Smart will prob demand 17-20 million a year also

AB and IT4 are going to want 25-30 million a season...

Can the Celts afford everyone?

And Horford has a max contract. So the answer is no, it isn't affordable. Danny will have to make numbers like an engineer this summer.

Because, as APC says, we have three stashes coming, a top-4 pick, a 30something picks and two 50something picks. Add this to what Triboy has stated and I highly doubt Ainge will sleep this coming months.

Avery Bradley is a great player. Arguably the second or third best player on the team right now. He is very important to what we do. However, his resume(1st team all defense),  his past contract, and his scoring and 3 point shooting ability(I think the two biggest things that drive contracts up) make him much much more likely to get overpaid. I think Marcus will be much cheaper (perhaps as much as 10 mil a year cheaper) and I think Marcus is more important to the teams identity. Also, if you can get a Fultz or a Ball, you can play them with Smart and Thomas but probably not with Bradley and Thomas.

I think Bradley walks, Kelly walks, and Marcus and Isaiah resign.

[CoachBo]

KO "vital?"

Uh, hardly. Too soft, brings nothing but erratic shooting and occasional defense to the table. Zero interest in paying him eight figures. Time to face facts that he was a draft miss.

Personally. I'd love to see him shipped out at the deadline - for anything of value. Dangle him under Orlando's nose for a real rebounder in Ibaka.

[apc]

KO "vital?"

Our team being able to space the floor is one of the reason for ITs success, so KO is important.
I am not saying KO is not replaceable... who know maybe Yabu can get some minutes, he is has a decent range- and will be cheap.

[Ilikesports17]

KO "vital?"

Uh, hardly. Too soft, brings nothing but erratic shooting and occasional defense to the table. Zero interest in paying him eight figures. Time to face facts that he was a draft miss.

Personally. I'd love to see him shipped out at the deadline - for anything of value. Dangle him under Orlando's nose for a real rebounder in Ibaka.

statistically, Olynyk is actually a better defensive rebounder than Ibaka this year. They had equal d-reb rates last year.

He is a very good passer and terrific as a positional defender. I think "vital" is a massive overstatement, but he is a nice piece off the bench.

[Ilikesports17]

KO "vital?"

Our team being able to space the floor is one of the reason for ITs success, so KO is important.
I am not saying KO is not replaceable... who know maybe Yabu can get some minutes, he is has a decent range- and will be cheap.

I doubt that. Back up bigs are getting paid lately. He will be making 8 figures. I say good bye Olynyk. It would be a [dang] shame if we cant pay a Thomas or a Smart because we have 15 mil tied up in Kelly Olynyk.

[Tr1boy]

Cant keep both IT4 and AB

But must resign Smart

[apc]

KO "vital?"

Our team being able to space the floor is one of the reason for ITs success, so KO is important.
I am not saying KO is not replaceable... who know maybe Yabu can get some minutes, he is has a decent range- and will be cheap.

I doubt that. Back up bigs are getting paid lately. He will be making 8 figures. I say good bye Olynyk. It would be a [dang] shame if we cant pay a Thomas or a Smart because we have 15 mil tied up in Kelly Olynyk.

I was talking about Yabu as being cheap.