Marcus Smart and KO next contracts?

[Denis998]

Its nice that all our guys are home grown and we can go over the cap to sign them. This just means that this offseason is our last chance to sign a max guy before DA goes and pays all of our own guys.

[Ilikesports17]

KO "vital?"

Our team being able to space the floor is one of the reason for ITs success, so KO is important.
I am not saying KO is not replaceable... who know maybe Yabu can get some minutes, he is has a decent range- and will be cheap.

I doubt that. Back up bigs are getting paid lately. He will be making 8 figures. I say good bye Olynyk. It would be a [dang] shame if we cant pay a Thomas or a Smart because we have 15 mil tied up in Kelly Olynyk.

I was talking about Yabu as being cheap.

Ooh. Misread that one pretty bad. Sorry about that. TP.

[Darío SpanishFan]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

Smart is worth more than Crabbe, but Crabbe is overpaid right now, so I don't know who will have the bigger contract 2 years from now (but I suspect it will be Crabbe)

KO is probably worth about as much as Ryan Anderson, but Anderson has a longer track record and has played a much bigger role on his teams.  I think Kelly's injury history could end up hurting him (although it didn't seem to hurt Anderson).  I think Kelly will get around $16 million per year, which is well short of Anderson's $20 per

KO might take that. His agent on the other hand..

Smart will prob demand 17-20 million a year also

AB and IT4 are going to want 25-30 million a season...

Can the Celts afford everyone?

And Horford has a max contract. So the answer is no, it isn't affordable. Danny will have to make numbers like an engineer this summer.

Because, as APC says, we have three stashes coming, a top-4 pick, a 30something picks and two 50something picks. Add this to what Triboy has stated and I highly doubt Ainge will sleep this coming months.

Avery Bradley is a great player. Arguably the second or third best player on the team right now. He is very important to what we do. However, his resume(1st team all defense),  his past contract, and his scoring and 3 point shooting ability(I think the two biggest things that drive contracts up) make him much much more likely to get overpaid. I think Marcus will be much cheaper (perhaps as much as 10 mil a year cheaper) and I think Marcus is more important to the teams identity. Also, if you can get a Fultz or a Ball, you can play them with Smart and Thomas but probably not with Bradley and Thomas.

I think Bradley walks, Kelly walks, and Marcus and Isaiah resign.

That's exactly my way of thinking, TP. If we can't land a big fish in free agency, Avery may be trade chip along with some firsts and Zeller (salary filler) for a big.

[Chief]

These guys may be considered role or super role players. But they are vital for the proper operation of the team. No way IT4 could be successful without Smart literally defending 1.5 players at all times and KO opening up the lane for IT4 to drive in/setting huge picks for open shots

Question. Is Smart worth more than Crabbe?  Is KO worth more than Ryan Anderson?

Smart is worth more than Crabbe, but Crabbe is overpaid right now, so I don't know who will have the bigger contract 2 years from now (but I suspect it will be Crabbe)

KO is probably worth about as much as Ryan Anderson, but Anderson has a longer track record and has played a much bigger role on his teams.  I think Kelly's injury history could end up hurting him (although it didn't seem to hurt Anderson).  I think Kelly will get around $16 million per year, which is well short of Anderson's $20 per

KO might take that. His agent on the other hand..

Smart will prob demand 17-20 million a year also

AB and IT4 are going to want 25-30 million a season...

Can the Celts afford everyone?

And Horford has a max contract. So the answer is no, it isn't affordable. Danny will have to make numbers like an engineer this summer.

Because, as APC says, we have three stashes coming, a top-4 pick, a 30something picks and two 50something picks. Add this to what Triboy has stated and I highly doubt Ainge will sleep this coming months.

Avery Bradley is a great player. Arguably the second or third best player on the team right now. He is very important to what we do. However, his resume(1st team all defense),  his past contract, and his scoring and 3 point shooting ability(I think the two biggest things that drive contracts up) make him much much more likely to get overpaid. I think Marcus will be much cheaper (perhaps as much as 10 mil a year cheaper) and I think Marcus is more important to the teams identity. Also, if you can get a Fultz or a Ball, you can play them with Smart and Thomas but probably not with Bradley and Thomas.

I think Bradley walks, Kelly walks, and Marcus and Isaiah resign.

I don't trust Bradley's health to invest money in him. His body just doesn't hold up over a long season.

[Celtics4ever]

KO "vital?"

He is a nice backup big but I agree he is not vital.

Our team being able to space the floor is one of the reason for ITs success, so KO is important.

Keep telling yourself that whopper and you might some day believe it.   You must be one of the guys who think he plays like Dirk.   IT has scored everywhere he has played in the NBA, that alone makes it evident that your "so important" is not that relevant.

KO supporters always think they know something that the rest here do not that their basketball IQ is not possessed by those who don't see his greatness and does not allow others to see his value.   His value is nice backup player, nothing more or nothing less.  Here are our top lineups.

http://stats.nba.com/lineups/traditional/#!?sort=PTS&dir=1&CF=GROUP_NAME*E*&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612738

Note Olynyk does not factor in until the best 7th lineup for points.  6th best for rebounds.  5th best for +/-, 7th for FG%.

If Ainge liked him so much, then why not pick up his option?  The reason is he is inconsistent from game to game.   He has played well lately but this dude plays in spurts of good play and bad play.

[Moranis]

KO "vital?"

He is a nice backup big but I agree he is not vital.

Our team being able to space the floor is one of the reason for ITs success, so KO is important.

Keep telling yourself that whopper and you might some day believe it.   You must be one of the guys who think he plays like Dirk.   IT has scored everywhere he has played in the NBA, that alone makes it evident that your "so important" is not that relevant.

If Ainge liked him so much, then why not pick up his option?  The reason is he is inconsistent from game to game.   He has played well lately but this dude plays in spurts of good play and bad play.

KO doesn't have an option to pick up.

[Ilikesports17]

KO "vital?"

He is a nice backup big but I agree he is not vital.

Our team being able to space the floor is one of the reason for ITs success, so KO is important.

Keep telling yourself that whopper and you might some day believe it.   You must be one of the guys who think he plays like Dirk.   IT has scored everywhere he has played in the NBA, that alone makes it evident that your "so important" is not that relevant.

If Ainge liked him so much, then why not pick up his option?  The reason is he is inconsistent from game to game.   He has played well lately but this dude plays in spurts of good play and bad play.

There is no option to be picked up.

[Celtics4ever]

There is no option to be picked up.

There was an option and Ainge declined to pick up in November which is what I referring too. Ainge declined to do so.  I said if Ainge liked him so much, why didn't he pick it up?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/11/01/ainge-gives-reasons-for-not-exercising-options-young-olynyk/VKNl3EcEVwRkDOvdTYwBZM/story.html

[Celtics4ever]

KO doesn't have an option to pick up.

Because Ainge choose flexibility over the vital asset aka Olynyk

http://www.celticslife.com/2016/11/why-celtics-did-not-extend-kelly-olynyk.html

[CelticPride2016]

There is no option to be picked up.

There was an option and Ainge declined to pick up in November which is what I referring too. Ainge declined to do so.  I said if Ainge liked him so much, why didn't he pick it up?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/11/01/ainge-gives-reasons-for-not-exercising-options-young-olynyk/VKNl3EcEVwRkDOvdTYwBZM/story.html

That was James Young. Olynyk was different.

The Celtics also were unable to agree on a contract extension with fourth-year forward Kelly Olynyk. Ainge said he met with the 7-footer’s agent Monday, as the sides tried to finalize a deal before the midnight deadline.

Ultimately, though, maintaining salary-cap flexibility that will allow the Celtics to pursue a maximum-contract free agent remained the top priority.

“If we didn’t have max cap flexibility next summer and the possibility to land a superstar-type player, an All-Star-caliber player, it might have been different in our negotiations,” Ainge said. “But because we still are there, with where we are in cap management, there was no reason to rush into it.”

Olynyk, who will become a restricted free agent at season’s end, is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery and has yet to play this season. Ainge said he would like to see Olynyk return and get through this season healthy, but he said the lack of an extension agreement was mostly due to the desire to keep the chance for a big strike realistic.

“Once we sort of use that flexibility, we may not have it again,” Ainge said. “So there’s two ways to look at that. You see a lot of teams that are just going and signing extensions with players they have and sort of closing that door on that flexibility, but we’re not there yet. I think, as an organization we want to maintain that flexibility, and Kelly is part of our long-term plan as well.”

[BitterJim]

There is no option to be picked up.

There was an option and Ainge declined to pick up in November which is what I referring too. Ainge declined to do so.  I said if Ainge liked him so much, why didn't he pick it up?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/celtics/2016/11/01/ainge-gives-reasons-for-not-exercising-options-young-olynyk/VKNl3EcEVwRkDOvdTYwBZM/story.html

That's not an option, it's an extension.  1st round NBA rookie contracts last 4 seasons: 2 guaranteed (in Kelly's case, 2013-14 and 2014-15) and two team options (in Kelly's case, 2015-16 and 2017-18).  There is also the ability to extend the player at the end of the rookie contract, which seems to be what you are referring to.  This is VERY different than an option, though. 

An option would mean that the team decides to pick it up and, boom, that year is locked in at an already decided rate (it's decided when the contract is initially signed).  An extension is essentially signing another contract before your old one runs out.  Danny didn't do that with Kelly this year because it would take away cap space for this summer.  That certainly doesn't mean that he doesn't plan to resign him - Danny didn't extend AB either.  Actually, I don't think he's extended any rookie since Rondo in 2009.

Looking further into it, only 8 players from the 2013 draft got extended (and half of those were max guys: McCollum, Steven Adams, Giannis, and Gobert, who were all obvious choices).  Guys like Otto Porter, Alex Len, Nerlens Noel, and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope also didn't get their contracts picked up.  Do you think their teams all plan to just let them go? Of course not. They'll become RFAs this summer, just like KO, with a high chance that they end up right back where they played this year (just like KO)

You don't have to like Kelly, but don't make stuff up/horribly misrepresent things to try to justify it

[Bostoncelticsforlife7]

I'm scared of the money other teams will offer Smart

[2short]

Problem with both guys is they factor into wins and good play but not necessarily does it transfer to stats. I think any good coach or gm is going to want both guys.  There are always teams out there that will throw evan turner $ around!

[Bostoncelticsforlife7]

I can see Dallas throwing like 22 mil at him, he's a hometown kid and Dallas is known for overpaying players

[mr. dee]

Smart will stay. He's the identity and leader of this current team. Olynyk can go somewhere. His service is replaceable.