Marcus Smart and KO next contracts?

[tazzmaniac]

Ainge would be very wise to lock Marcus up next summer and not let him hit free agency, if possible.  He's someone I could see a team throwing a lot of money at, daring the Celtics to match.

I like Olynyk.  My gut says that his next contract won't be ridiculous.  There's less money out there this year than last.  My hope for Olynyk is in the $12-14 million range annually.  I'd love to sign him for 5 years.  The increases to draft scales, max salaries, and MLE contracts will keep the super subs contracts from getting overinflated.

I don't think Smart is worth the max, but I could see a team like Brooklyn or Philly daring the Celtics to match in 2018, because there's a chance he continues to improve enough to make even that contract worth it.  So again, I hope Ainge is able to find the smaller number this summer that he's willing to accept.

Smart would have to improve his shooting a lot to get a MAX offer next offseason.  I don't see why people think the Sixers would want Smart.  He'd be a terrible fit with Simmons.  They need guards and wings that can shoot. 

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'd offer a reasonable contract for Kelly Olynyk, something that would pay him around $8-9 million per year. If he says no, so be it. He's a player you don't mind having but not for too much money. Let other teams pay him a lot of cash, but I think that's about what he's worth, even with the rising cap.

Marcus just needs to get locked up. Give him Tyler Johnson money. Dude just make winning plays, and an excellent 3rd guard who's still learning. He needs to be locked up into a contract as quickly as we can.

[BitterJim]

...reasonable contract for Kelly Olynyk... ...$8-9 million per year...

Pick one, because $8-9 million for Kelly isn't reasonable, it's insulting

[chambers]

KO "vital?"

Uh, hardly. Too soft, brings nothing but erratic shooting and occasional defense to the table. Zero interest in paying him eight figures. Time to face facts that he was a draft miss.

Personally. I'd love to see him shipped out at the deadline - for anything of value. Dangle him under Orlando's nose for a real rebounder in Ibaka.

Unfortunately you either don't want to understand modern basketball or just don't like KO because your statement couldn't be further from the truth.
KO is crucial to this team's success right now.
His range, passing and defense are so important off the bench right now.

[saltlover]

Ainge would be very wise to lock Marcus up next summer and not let him hit free agency, if possible.  He's someone I could see a team throwing a lot of money at, daring the Celtics to match.

I like Olynyk.  My gut says that his next contract won't be ridiculous.  There's less money out there this year than last.  My hope for Olynyk is in the $12-14 million range annually.  I'd love to sign him for 5 years.  The increases to draft scales, max salaries, and MLE contracts will keep the super subs contracts from getting overinflated.

I don't think Smart is worth the max, but I could see a team like Brooklyn or Philly daring the Celtics to match in 2018, because there's a chance he continues to improve enough to make even that contract worth it.  So again, I hope Ainge is able to find the smaller number this summer that he's willing to accept.

Smart would have to improve his shooting a lot to get a MAX offer next offseason.  I don't see why people think the Sixers would want Smart.  He'd be a terrible fit with Simmons.  They need guards and wings that can shoot.

Firstly, I said there's a chance that he could improve enough to make it worth it, but he wouldn't have to become elite.  Just average next year would make a team interested, given his improved playmaking on offense and obvious defense/energy.  I also think he'd be a good fit with Simmons -- what Simmons needs more than anything a teammate who'll keep him playing with effort.  Smart is absolutely that guy.

And if not Philly, since I was just spitballing names, I know Dallas would love him, and they could have the cap room in 2018.  They've shown a willingness to try to steal restricted free agents in the past.

[mctyson]

Ainge would be very wise to lock Marcus up next summer and not let him hit free agency, if possible. 

If Ainge has showed us anything, he has showed that he will try to get these guys locked up early.

[saltlover]

Ainge would be very wise to lock Marcus up next summer and not let him hit free agency, if possible. 

If Ainge has showed us anything, he has showed that he will try to get these guys locked up early.

Last one he extended before restricted free agency was Rondo, 8 years ago.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

...reasonable contract for Kelly Olynyk... ...$8-9 million per year...

Pick one, because $8-9 million for Kelly isn't reasonable, it's insulting

How is it insulting? Market value doesn't mean it's his real value. Just because Bismack Biyombo and Timofey Mozgov get $10 million more doesn't mean we should pay Kelly the same amount. You think Miles Plumlee at $12 million is reasonable?

It is reasonable, for us. Anything more than that is overpaying for an off the bench player at most. He does have range but he doesn't really move the needle as much to make your team a contender. He doesn't offer a big impact on defense.

That should be our offer. If that's insulting to him, then apologize, but stand firm. Would love to keep Kelly, but not for more than that (well, maybe up to $10 million). Let's try and not pay a an off bench player more than that.

[saltlover]

...reasonable contract for Kelly Olynyk... ...$8-9 million per year...

Pick one, because $8-9 million for Kelly isn't reasonable, it's insulting

How is it insulting? Market value doesn't mean it's his real value. Just because Bismack Biyombo and Timofey Mozgov get $10 million more doesn't mean we should pay Kelly the same amount. You think Miles Plumlee at $12 million is reasonable?

It is reasonable, for us. Anything more than that is overpaying for an off the bench player at most. He does have range but he doesn't really move the needle as much to make your team a contender. He doesn't offer a big impact on defense.

That should be our offer. If that's insulting to him, then apologize, but stand firm. Would love to keep Kelly, but not for more than that (well, maybe up to $10 million). Let's try and not pay a an off bench player more than that.

The MLE next year comes in around 4 years, $36 million.  If you think KO is an MLE type, then you've priced him correctly as to how you rate him.  If you think he's better than an MLE type, then you probably need to up your price on him a bit.  Personally, I think he's a step or two above the MLE.

[jambr380]

If we use the cap space on a max or near-max guy, then KO is gone. If we make only a mid-range or couple of smaller filler signings, then KO will stay...almost regardless of price. We are likely to go over the cap this summer so it won't really matter how much KO will cost. Ainge isn't one to let assets go for free and it would make no sense to just let him walk.

I am in agreement with getting Smart locked up this summer. I would prefer he not hit the open market. I also see AB being used in a trade at some point so Marcus becomes essential to our future.

[saltlover]

If we use the cap space on a max or near-max guy, then KO is gone. If we make only a mid-range or couple of smaller filler signings, then KO will stay...almost regardless of price. We are likely to go over the cap this summer so it won't really matter how much KO will cost. Ainge isn't one to let assets go for free and it would make no sense to just let him walk.

I am in agreement with getting Smart locked up this summer. I would prefer he not hit the open market. I also see AB being used in a trade at some point so Marcus becomes essential to our future.

This is mostly true.  I personally think if we are able to sign Hayward that we'll trade away Bradley for a future pick, and thus keep KO.

[RockinRyA]

KO "vital?"

Uh, hardly. Too soft, brings nothing but erratic shooting and occasional defense to the table. Zero interest in paying him eight figures. Time to face facts that he was a draft miss.

Personally. I'd love to see him shipped out at the deadline - for anything of value. Dangle him under Orlando's nose for a real rebounder in Ibaka.

Unfortunately you either don't want to understand modern basketball or just don't like KO because your statement couldn't be further from the truth.
KO is crucial to this team's success right now.
His range, passing and defense are so important off the bench right now.

Bo is clueless period.

[chambers]

...reasonable contract for Kelly Olynyk... ...$8-9 million per year...

Pick one, because $8-9 million for Kelly isn't reasonable, it's insulting

How is it insulting? Market value doesn't mean it's his real value. Just because Bismack Biyombo and Timofey Mozgov get $10 million more doesn't mean we should pay Kelly the same amount. You think Miles Plumlee at $12 million is reasonable?

It is reasonable, for us. Anything more than that is overpaying for an off the bench player at most. He does have range but he doesn't really move the needle as much to make your team a contender. He doesn't offer a big impact on defense.

That should be our offer. If that's insulting to him, then apologize, but stand firm. Would love to keep Kelly, but not for more than that (well, maybe up to $10 million). Let's try and not pay a an off bench player more than that.

KO will be getting at least $14 million x 4 years this off season. Perhaps offers of closer to $16-18 mill x 4 years.
This isn't 2010. We are in a golden era for 3 point shooting big men who can facilitate offense and play defense.

Here is a ranking of our best performing line ups...
you'l notice that with KO at the PF with Horford at C, that is easily our best line up and that's why this lineup usually finishes games with either Bradley or Smart.

Why? Because KO stretches the floor so IT can drive. It gives Al more room inside and it gives us the ability to have a 5 man stretch line up with all 5 guys on the perimeter waiting for IT to penetrate or run pick and pop for IT to penetrate and dish to an open shooter.
Kelly has the footspeed to go and guard a lot of guards in the switch out on the perimeter, whereas no one else on our team other than Jerebko can do this effectively whilst hitting 3's on the other end. Take a look, Kelly is somewhat of a unicorn, and he's still very young and improving...
I'm not saying he's a max player or he's Kevin Love, but to say he's worth 8 or 9 million in today's NBA is actually a bit of an insult ( I know you didn't mean it like that).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/lineup_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&lineup_type=5-man&output=total&is_playoffs=N&year_id=2017&team_id=BOS&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&order_by=diff_pts

[Somebody]

I'd throw marcus an extension rivalling oladipo's, the portland game was a great example of what he will do in his prime; consistent 4 by 5 or even 5 by 5 threat with great D

[CelticPride2016]

It's on Olynyk's play the rest of the season. If he pans out, he's looking at anywhere from Amir to Evan Turner money. He's due what Bradley got, but that was years before the new salary cap. I don't think he's going anywhere. Jerebko is more of the guy other teams won't want in a trade. Olynyk could probably be traded if you wanted to go in a different direction. He is underrated by haters.

Smart is going nowhere. Bradley seems to be the guy on the future trading block, if anybody. Smart is worth at least Evan Turner money for a second contract. Olynyk might play himself into that much, too. It all depends on how the season and playoffs turn out.