Woj Bomb: Knicks reach out to Celtics on Melo

[Ilikesports17]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

He was one drafted 25th in one of the worst drafts in Basketball history. Please stop.

Rozier has very little value. Brice Johnson has even less.

[BE-Celtic]

If they start asking for Nets picks or Bradley or even Smart you tell them to **** off.

We have the same conclusion

[oldtype]

I don't even want to know how bad our defense would be with both IT and Melo on the floor.

Don't get me wrong because I don't want Melo here at all but in response to your question -would the offense be that much better than our defense would drop?

I don't think it's physically possible for our offense to be that much better than it already is with IT on the floor.

[Phantom255x]

I don't even want to know how bad our defense would be with both IT and Melo on the floor.

Don't get me wrong because I don't want Melo here at all but in response to your question -would the offense be that much better than our defense would drop?

I don't think it's physically possible for our offense to be that much better than it already is with IT on the floor.

Oh the offense gets better.

The problem is you are also giving up the points back with their poor defense lol.

[Moranis]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

He was one drafted 25th in one of the worst drafts in Basketball history. Please stop.

Rozier has very little value. Brice Johnson has even less.

I believe Brice Johnson has more value than Rozier, because of just how awful Rozier has played thus far in his career.  Johnson is a 6'10" athlete at least.  Yeah he is a complete unknown, but Rozier has almost no value because he has been so awful on both sides of the ball.  Brice Johnson at least could be a player, something Rozier has proven he is not.

[jpotter33]

Just so those that only read the thread title know....Boston and LAC have already said no to a Melo trade.

Um, this is not true at all lol

All sources indicate that the Clips are currently talking to the Knicks about a possible deal not involving any of their Big 3, and there's no indication that Boston said no. The Knicks just gauged their interest on a trade, and I highly doubt trader Danny gave Phil a hard no, since there's no report that that happened at all.

[celticsclay]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

He was one drafted 25th in one of the worst drafts in Basketball history. Please stop.

Rozier has very little value. Brice Johnson has even less.

I believe Brice Johnson has more value than Rozier, because of just how awful Rozier has played thus far in his career.  Johnson is a 6'10" athlete at least.  Yeah he is a complete unknown, but Rozier has almost no value because he has been so awful on both sides of the ball.  Brice Johnson at least could be a player, something Rozier has proven he is not.

Oh wow I didn't realize Rozier had proven he couldn't be a player.

[Ilikesports17]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

He was one drafted 25th in one of the worst drafts in Basketball history. Please stop.

Rozier has very little value. Brice Johnson has even less.

I believe Brice Johnson has more value than Rozier, because of just how awful Rozier has played thus far in his career.  Johnson is a 6'10" athlete at least.  Yeah he is a complete unknown, but Rozier has almost no value because he has been so awful on both sides of the ball.  Brice Johnson at least could be a player, something Rozier has proven he is not.

Johnson has basically no value. If Rozier has less thats one thing, but no one is making or not making a trade based on the fact that they got or didnt get Brice Johnson included.

[Geo123]

This rumor might get big..

Starting to trend and tons of facebook posts about Melo and Boston 

And clippers as well but if Griffin/CP3/DJ aren't included, then it seems pointless.

That's exactly what a trade for Melo will be about.  No big name players/star players will be involved.  It will be a player like Rivers, +filler + a low to mid 1st rounder (at most).   

[steve]

This has all the markings of the C's helping the clippers get Carmello by giving up 1st round picks in exchange for a player with more upside than James Young. Similar to the IT trade.

I have no problem waiting to sign haywood, and potentially trading the BKN picks for Cousins/Butler.

[Moranis]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

He was one drafted 25th in one of the worst drafts in Basketball history. Please stop.

Rozier has very little value. Brice Johnson has even less.

I believe Brice Johnson has more value than Rozier, because of just how awful Rozier has played thus far in his career.  Johnson is a 6'10" athlete at least.  Yeah he is a complete unknown, but Rozier has almost no value because he has been so awful on both sides of the ball.  Brice Johnson at least could be a player, something Rozier has proven he is not.

Johnson has basically no value. If Rozier has less thats one thing, but no one is making or not making a trade based on the fact that they got or didnt get Brice Johnson included.

Fine by me, Johnson was a late 1st round pick, that is his value, which I will agree holds almost no value.  Still think it is more than Rozier.  I'm not sure how this Blog got so obsessed with Rozier.  He is a terrible defender and may very well be a worse shooter than Smart (which is impressive but for the wrong reasons). 

[liam]

Unfortunately for the Knicks the only team that would acquire an over the hill, 3 years past his prime, over payed non defender would be The Knicks themselves.

[86MaxwellSmart]

"The Knicks and Clippers are discussing a deal for Carmelo Anthony that does not include Chris Paul, Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan going to New York, the Daily News has learned."

If that happens i think it means Paul Pierce is going to the Knicks!

Or maybe it's a 3 team deal---with Jordan going to Boston.

That would be including Jordan.

No--it said "Going to New York"

[tankcity!]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

He was one drafted 25th in one of the worst drafts in Basketball history. Please stop.

Rozier has very little value. Brice Johnson has even less.

I believe Brice Johnson has more value than Rozier, because of just how awful Rozier has played thus far in his career.  Johnson is a 6'10" athlete at least.  Yeah he is a complete unknown, but Rozier has almost no value because he has been so awful on both sides of the ball.  Brice Johnson at least could be a player, something Rozier has proven he is not.

Johnson has basically no value. If Rozier has less thats one thing, but no one is making or not making a trade based on the fact that they got or didnt get Brice Johnson included.

Fine by me, Johnson was a late 1st round pick, that is his value, which I will agree holds almost no value.  Still think it is more than Rozier.  I'm not sure how this Blog got so obsessed with Rozier.  He is a terrible defender and may very well be a worse shooter than Smart (which is impressive but for the wrong reasons).

Lol. Hasn't been proven by with stats. He's shooting 33% from three this year...

[The Oracle]

People don't seem to realize that any trade for Melo to Boston is basically trading away most of the cap space next summer.  In other words you might as well be also trading Hayward, Milsap or some other max free agent for Melo as well, which is just nonsense.