Woj Bomb: Knicks reach out to Celtics on Melo

[Fan from VT]

I give DA ****, but I'm pretty confident with him on the phone with Phil.  This no trade clause gives the NYKs  very little leverage,  especially if they're hell bent on trading him.   I suspect a late first and matching salaries with possibly Rozier being offered.

That's the thing. If Melo was smart, he would use his no-trade clause to help his future team give up the least they could, thus helping improve his team situation. Unfortunately, unless he has changed, I don't think that would enter his mind. Most vet players seem to think draft picks are useless, and we also know he cost NY multiple picks just to get there a few months early rather than sign as an FA and allow NY to keep those picks.

[TrueFan]

To Phil, that Memphis pick is worth more than old JJ Reddick. They're trying to rebuild...And Reddick's contract will expire soon.

Yeah, I have no idea where this Redick love is coming from. Perhaps Moranis didn't think he was as old as he was.

And there's no way that Redick would stay in New York next year unless they significantly overpaid him anyways lol

I know how old Redick is, but let's not pretend that the Knicks don't have Noah, Lee, and a bunch of veterans locked up long term.  Redick is averaging 16 ppg and shooting 44% from three.  He is an excellent player still.  Sure he isn't going to be around for a decade or anything.  And I'd put more value on the Clippers 2021 than the Memphis pick we own. 

There is no question Boston can put together a very attractive trade package for Anthony, but it will take a lot more than Johnson, Zeller, Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick to do it.

If the Knicks shed Melo's salary, even with Lee and Noah, they would be at a salary of about $60 million next year.

Which isn't enough for 3 max contracts, which is what I was saying.  They aren't going to have cap room for 3 max contracts unless they can somehow unload Noah or Lee, the Clippers trade I proposed would still allow them to sign 2 max contracts.  Thus, they would get better players, better assets, and not really be in any worse position this summer. 

Frankly the Clippers and Knicks could do this trade as well.

Crawford, Rivers, Redick, B. Johnson, 2021 1st

for

Anthony and Lee

Sheds a year salary from Lee to Rivers for the Knicks and a bit more salary next summer, plus adds in a better younger player in Rivers as opposed to Lee.


Again, Boston can easily beat that trade, but it will require real assets, not a bunch of garbage expiring contracts and very low tier assets. 

I've been proposing trades on here for awhile in which Anthony ends up in Boston.  I'd be happy to give them Smart or Brown, salary filler, and low level 1st's (like Boston's 2018 and 2019 1st's lotto protected) as I think Anthony would be a very nice fit in Boston and would finally trigger a real direction from Boston. 

I'd do this

Johnson, Brown, Zeller, Boston 2018, Boston 2019 (both picks lotto protected)

for

Anthony

Post-Trade (2 open roster spots)

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Smart
SF - Crowder, Green, Young
PF - Anthony, Jerekbo, Mickey
C - Horford, Olynyk

That team to me is the clear #2 in the East and I think would pose some serious problems for the Cavs.  I mean that would force Love and Thompson to guard Crowder and Horford, and I just don't think they could do that (James would likely guard Anthony).

I like the trade if it's Smart but no way I'm giving up Brown.

[Moranis]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money. 

[Moranis]

To Phil, that Memphis pick is worth more than old JJ Reddick. They're trying to rebuild...And Reddick's contract will expire soon.

Yeah, I have no idea where this Redick love is coming from. Perhaps Moranis didn't think he was as old as he was.

And there's no way that Redick would stay in New York next year unless they significantly overpaid him anyways lol

I know how old Redick is, but let's not pretend that the Knicks don't have Noah, Lee, and a bunch of veterans locked up long term.  Redick is averaging 16 ppg and shooting 44% from three.  He is an excellent player still.  Sure he isn't going to be around for a decade or anything.  And I'd put more value on the Clippers 2021 than the Memphis pick we own. 

There is no question Boston can put together a very attractive trade package for Anthony, but it will take a lot more than Johnson, Zeller, Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick to do it.

If the Knicks shed Melo's salary, even with Lee and Noah, they would be at a salary of about $60 million next year.

Which isn't enough for 3 max contracts, which is what I was saying.  They aren't going to have cap room for 3 max contracts unless they can somehow unload Noah or Lee, the Clippers trade I proposed would still allow them to sign 2 max contracts.  Thus, they would get better players, better assets, and not really be in any worse position this summer. 

Frankly the Clippers and Knicks could do this trade as well.

Crawford, Rivers, Redick, B. Johnson, 2021 1st

for

Anthony and Lee

Sheds a year salary from Lee to Rivers for the Knicks and a bit more salary next summer, plus adds in a better younger player in Rivers as opposed to Lee.


Again, Boston can easily beat that trade, but it will require real assets, not a bunch of garbage expiring contracts and very low tier assets. 

I've been proposing trades on here for awhile in which Anthony ends up in Boston.  I'd be happy to give them Smart or Brown, salary filler, and low level 1st's (like Boston's 2018 and 2019 1st's lotto protected) as I think Anthony would be a very nice fit in Boston and would finally trigger a real direction from Boston. 

I'd do this

Johnson, Brown, Zeller, Boston 2018, Boston 2019 (both picks lotto protected)

for

Anthony

Post-Trade (2 open roster spots)

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Smart
SF - Crowder, Green, Young
PF - Anthony, Jerekbo, Mickey
C - Horford, Olynyk

That team to me is the clear #2 in the East and I think would pose some serious problems for the Cavs.  I mean that would force Love and Thompson to guard Crowder and Horford, and I just don't think they could do that (James would likely guard Anthony).

I like the trade if it's Smart but no way I'm giving up Brown.

Brown has more value than Smart, but I included Brown and not Smart, because Smart fits a lot better with the remaining than Brown, who would likely not play much at all, and without Smart it would force Rozier or Green to play a lot more minutes than I would like.  Shrink the team down to a playoff rotation and you basically get Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Crowder, Anthony, Olynyk, and Horford with Rozier and Jerekbo getting a few minutes here or there.  If you have Brown and not Smart, the rotation changes a great deal and I just don't like that much.  Now maybe you keep a 1st or you can add O'Quinn or someone else by including Brown over Smart, altering the trade from that perspective.

[jpotter33]

To Phil, that Memphis pick is worth more than old JJ Reddick. They're trying to rebuild...And Reddick's contract will expire soon.

Yeah, I have no idea where this Redick love is coming from. Perhaps Moranis didn't think he was as old as he was.

And there's no way that Redick would stay in New York next year unless they significantly overpaid him anyways lol

I know how old Redick is, but let's not pretend that the Knicks don't have Noah, Lee, and a bunch of veterans locked up long term.  Redick is averaging 16 ppg and shooting 44% from three.  He is an excellent player still.  Sure he isn't going to be around for a decade or anything.  And I'd put more value on the Clippers 2021 than the Memphis pick we own. 

There is no question Boston can put together a very attractive trade package for Anthony, but it will take a lot more than Johnson, Zeller, Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick to do it.

If the Knicks shed Melo's salary, even with Lee and Noah, they would be at a salary of about $60 million next year.

Which isn't enough for 3 max contracts, which is what I was saying.  They aren't going to have cap room for 3 max contracts unless they can somehow unload Noah or Lee, the Clippers trade I proposed would still allow them to sign 2 max contracts.  Thus, they would get better players, better assets, and not really be in any worse position this summer. 

Frankly the Clippers and Knicks could do this trade as well.

Crawford, Rivers, Redick, B. Johnson, 2021 1st

for

Anthony and Lee

Sheds a year salary from Lee to Rivers for the Knicks and a bit more salary next summer, plus adds in a better younger player in Rivers as opposed to Lee.


Again, Boston can easily beat that trade, but it will require real assets, not a bunch of garbage expiring contracts and very low tier assets. 

I've been proposing trades on here for awhile in which Anthony ends up in Boston.  I'd be happy to give them Smart or Brown, salary filler, and low level 1st's (like Boston's 2018 and 2019 1st's lotto protected) as I think Anthony would be a very nice fit in Boston and would finally trigger a real direction from Boston. 

I'd do this

Johnson, Brown, Zeller, Boston 2018, Boston 2019 (both picks lotto protected)

for

Anthony

Post-Trade (2 open roster spots)

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Smart
SF - Crowder, Green, Young
PF - Anthony, Jerekbo, Mickey
C - Horford, Olynyk

That team to me is the clear #2 in the East and I think would pose some serious problems for the Cavs.  I mean that would force Love and Thompson to guard Crowder and Horford, and I just don't think they could do that (James would likely guard Anthony).

You're way overvaluing Melo's trade value at this point. He simply can't command that type of return anymore, especially with Phil apparently losing his mind trying to trade him.

[oldtype]

I don't even want to know how bad our defense would be with both IT and Melo on the floor.

[Geo123]

To Phil, that Memphis pick is worth more than old JJ Reddick. They're trying to rebuild...And Reddick's contract will expire soon.

Yeah, I have no idea where this Redick love is coming from. Perhaps Moranis didn't think he was as old as he was.

And there's no way that Redick would stay in New York next year unless they significantly overpaid him anyways lol

I know how old Redick is, but let's not pretend that the Knicks don't have Noah, Lee, and a bunch of veterans locked up long term.  Redick is averaging 16 ppg and shooting 44% from three.  He is an excellent player still.  Sure he isn't going to be around for a decade or anything.  And I'd put more value on the Clippers 2021 than the Memphis pick we own. 

There is no question Boston can put together a very attractive trade package for Anthony, but it will take a lot more than Johnson, Zeller, Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick to do it.

If the Knicks shed Melo's salary, even with Lee and Noah, they would be at a salary of about $60 million next year.

Which isn't enough for 3 max contracts, which is what I was saying.  They aren't going to have cap room for 3 max contracts unless they can somehow unload Noah or Lee, the Clippers trade I proposed would still allow them to sign 2 max contracts.  Thus, they would get better players, better assets, and not really be in any worse position this summer. 

Frankly the Clippers and Knicks could do this trade as well.

Crawford, Rivers, Redick, B. Johnson, 2021 1st

for

Anthony and Lee

Sheds a year salary from Lee to Rivers for the Knicks and a bit more salary next summer, plus adds in a better younger player in Rivers as opposed to Lee.


Again, Boston can easily beat that trade, but it will require real assets, not a bunch of garbage expiring contracts and very low tier assets. 

I've been proposing trades on here for awhile in which Anthony ends up in Boston.  I'd be happy to give them Smart or Brown, salary filler, and low level 1st's (like Boston's 2018 and 2019 1st's lotto protected) as I think Anthony would be a very nice fit in Boston and would finally trigger a real direction from Boston. 

I'd do this

Johnson, Brown, Zeller, Boston 2018, Boston 2019 (both picks lotto protected)

for

Anthony

Post-Trade (2 open roster spots)

PG - Thomas, Rozier, Jackson
SG - Bradley, Smart
SF - Crowder, Green, Young
PF - Anthony, Jerekbo, Mickey
C - Horford, Olynyk

That team to me is the clear #2 in the East and I think would pose some serious problems for the Cavs.  I mean that would force Love and Thompson to guard Crowder and Horford, and I just don't think they could do that (James would likely guard Anthony).

You're way overvaluing Melo's trade value at this point. He simply can't command that type of return anymore, especially with Phil apparently losing his mind trying to trade him.

Agree 100%

[hodgy03038]

I don't even want to know how bad our defense would be with both IT and Melo on the floor.

Don't get me wrong because I don't want Melo here at all but in response to your question -would the offense be that much better than our defense would drop?

[Chief Macho]

I give DA ****, but I'm pretty confident with him on the phone with Phil.  This no trade clause gives the NYKs  very little leverage,  especially if they're hell bent on trading him.   I suspect a late first and matching salaries with possibly Rozier being offered.

That's the thing. If Melo was smart, he would use his no-trade clause to help his future team give up the least they could, thus helping improve his team situation. Unfortunately, unless he has changed, I don't think that would enter his mind. Most vet players seem to think draft picks are useless, and we also know he cost NY multiple picks just to get there a few months early rather than sign as an FA and allow NY to keep those picks.

I was talking about Ainge's offer.  I feel like I can already hear his take on it.  It's not going to include IT, Crowder, AB, Smart, Brown, or Horford. And it won't be anything close to the Brklyn Picks.

 All those screw up going forward.  But like you say, if the knicks want Melo gone,  he can really steer this trade.

[tankcity!]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league. Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You like to talk out of your butt. He hasn't even played this year...

[LGC88]

I don't think Knicks are asking much for Melo. A late first and a young player like Rivers will do.
Clippers might be interested because they can try to win this year with Melo.
But we DON'T. Even if we got Melo for free, it kills our free agency hope (Hayward for 4years is way better than a Melo for 2).
I don't see the positive in having Melo right now. Bad timing.

[Phantom255x]

This rumor might get big..

Starting to trend and tons of facebook posts about Melo and Boston 

And clippers as well but if Griffin/CP3/DJ aren't included, then it seems pointless.

[MBunge]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

[BE-Celtic]

Lots of talks about "can it be done" but do you guys actually want, as fans, have melo in Boston ?

I don't think this guy is a winner, might have been before but what has he achieved in NY ? We have defend/rebound issues and the solution would be melo ? in what world ? I would hardly give small assets to get him honestly

[Phantom255x]

Knicks fans don't want Carmelo to go to Boston just because they think he will become a legit star in BOS LOL...