Woj Bomb: Knicks reach out to Celtics on Melo

[apc]

"The Knicks and Clippers are discussing a deal for Carmelo Anthony that does not include Chris Paul, Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan going to New York, the Daily News has learned."

If that happens i think it means Paul Pierce is going to the Knicks!

[The One]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league. Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You like to talk out of your butt. He hasn't even played this year...

Is that physically possible?   

[Ilikesports17]

Lots of talks about "can it be done" but do you guys actually want, as fans, have melo in Boston ?

I don't think this guy is a winner, might have been before but what has he achieved in NY ? We have defend/rebound issues and the solution would be melo ? in what world ? I would hardly give small assets to get him honestly

Melo could feasibly be the best rebounder on our team if he came here. He is actually very good in that category. In the past 3 years he has averaged 8 rebounds twice.

He usually isnt locked in on defense but if he buys in he can be at least a passable defender.

He won a national title at Syracuse(ancient history I know) and made an WCF in Denver where his best teammates were probably JR Smith, Allen Iverson(not on WCF team) and Kenyon Martin and a post-prime Chauncey Billups.

In New York he won I think 2 or 3 playoff series and the best players he had here were Amare Stoudemire and a very post-prime chauncey Billups.

On the Olympic teams hes won(not really an accomplishment) and been a model teammate. I think the Melo is a cancer/loser narrative is really overblown. He chose NYK over a chance to win a ring in Chicago, but other than that I dont think hes done much to be called a loser. If he can buy in he gives us another go-to scorer so that when teams put length on Thomas we dont immediately collapse.

Im not giving up any big assets for the guy, but Id love to add him to the team.

[86MaxwellSmart]

"The Knicks and Clippers are discussing a deal for Carmelo Anthony that does not include Chris Paul, Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan going to New York, the Daily News has learned."

If that happens i think it means Paul Pierce is going to the Knicks!

Or maybe it's a 3 team deal---with Jordan going to Boston.

[Ilikesports17]

"The Knicks and Clippers are discussing a deal for Carmelo Anthony that does not include Chris Paul, Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan going to New York, the Daily News has learned."

If that happens i think it means Paul Pierce is going to the Knicks!

if that happened youd have to imagine hed ask to be waived.

[Ilikesports17]

"The Knicks and Clippers are discussing a deal for Carmelo Anthony that does not include Chris Paul, Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan going to New York, the Daily News has learned."

If that happens i think it means Paul Pierce is going to the Knicks!

Or maybe it's a 3 team deal---with Jordan going to Boston.

That would be including Jordan.

[celticsclay]

"The Knicks and Clippers are discussing a deal for Carmelo Anthony that does not include Chris Paul, Blake Griffin or DeAndre Jordan going to New York, the Daily News has learned."

If that happens i think it means Paul Pierce is going to the Knicks!

Pierce would probably just retire if that really happened. It would be kind of disgraceful to force him to finish a 20 year career on a lottery team that just traded their star.

[BE-Celtic]

Lots of talks about "can it be done" but do you guys actually want, as fans, have melo in Boston ?

I don't think this guy is a winner, might have been before but what has he achieved in NY ? We have defend/rebound issues and the solution would be melo ? in what world ? I would hardly give small assets to get him honestly

Melo could feasibly be the best rebounder on our team if he came here. He is actually very good in that category. In the past 3 years he has averaged 8 rebounds twice.

He usually isnt locked in on defense but if he buys in he can be at least a passable defender.

He won a national title at Syracuse(ancient history I know) and made an WCF in Denver where his best teammates were probably JR Smith, Allen Iverson(not on WCF team) and Kenyon Martin and a post-prime Chauncey Billups.

In New York he won I think 2 or 3 playoff series and the best players he had here were Amare Stoudemire and a very post-prime chauncey Billups.

On the Olympic teams hes won(not really an accomplishment) and been a model teammate. I think the Melo is a cancer/loser narrative is really overblown. He chose NYK over a chance to win a ring in Chicago, but other than that I dont think hes done much to be called a loser. If he can buy in he gives us another go-to scorer so that when teams put length on Thomas we dont immediately collapse.

Im not giving up any big assets for the guy, but Id love to add him to the team.

I get your point. He is certainly not a loser. A least for the beggining of his career but now, I am just not convinced he is the best teammate to have in a locker room. he did a lot of good things, but this seems so far back...

And yes he is a decent rebounder, but not the type we need. I see him getting some extra rebounds but that's not his first task, unlike a real center, which is what the Celtics needs I think.

I was probably exagagereting when I said I would only give small assets, but my point was he is, to my opinion, not worth what NY is probably asking. Not what we need

[Moranis]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

[saltlover]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

I just want to step in and note:

1) The Clippers can't trade their 1st until 2022.
2) Your trade needs at least $3.6 million more going out.  Clippers are subject to the hard cap.

[Ilikesports17]

Lots of talks about "can it be done" but do you guys actually want, as fans, have melo in Boston ?

I don't think this guy is a winner, might have been before but what has he achieved in NY ? We have defend/rebound issues and the solution would be melo ? in what world ? I would hardly give small assets to get him honestly

Melo could feasibly be the best rebounder on our team if he came here. He is actually very good in that category. In the past 3 years he has averaged 8 rebounds twice.

He usually isnt locked in on defense but if he buys in he can be at least a passable defender.

He won a national title at Syracuse(ancient history I know) and made an WCF in Denver where his best teammates were probably JR Smith, Allen Iverson(not on WCF team) and Kenyon Martin and a post-prime Chauncey Billups.

In New York he won I think 2 or 3 playoff series and the best players he had here were Amare Stoudemire and a very post-prime chauncey Billups.

On the Olympic teams hes won(not really an accomplishment) and been a model teammate. I think the Melo is a cancer/loser narrative is really overblown. He chose NYK over a chance to win a ring in Chicago, but other than that I dont think hes done much to be called a loser. If he can buy in he gives us another go-to scorer so that when teams put length on Thomas we dont immediately collapse.

Im not giving up any big assets for the guy, but Id love to add him to the team.

I get your point. He is certainly not a loser. A least for the beggining of his career but now, I am just not convinced he is the best teammate to have in a locker room. he did a lot of good things, but this seems so far back...

And yes he is a decent rebounder, but not the type we need. I see him getting some extra rebounds but that's not his first task, unlike a real center, which is what the Celtics needs I think.

I was probably exagagereting when I said I would only give small assets, but my point was he is, to my opinion, not worth what NY is probably asking. Not what we need

That all depends on what NY is asking. His contract makes a deal virtually impossible, but Phil is reportedly desperate to trade him and there are only so many teams Melo would waive that NTC to go to.

Cleveland already rebuked them and it seems Boston and LAC are the next two teams on the list. LAC doesnt have anything much to offer. They are historically top heavy. Who knows how many teams Melo is OK with? It could be LAC, Cle and Boston. If LAC cant pony up any real assets Id love to swoop in and grab him for cheapish.

If they start asking for Nets picks or Bradley or even Smart you tell them to **** off.

[tankcity!]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

Yeah, not even close. I'm calling major BS on that. In what world is 32 year old free agent Reddick a better piece to build around than Rozier? The whole point of them trading Melo is to start building around Porzingis, and somehow 32 year old free agent Redick and 36 year old Crawford are those pieces?? lol

The only thing from that package that you can say has any real value to the Knicks is that Clippers pick, but it's value is highly unknown due to being so far into the future. We can easily trump any trade that the Clippers can make without giving up any of our top-tier assets.

Brice Johnson was a 1st round pick in the last draft.  I'd say he has more value than Rozier around the league.  Rozier has very limited value.  He isn't Young, but he isn't worth much of anything.

You're not being serious, right? You're telling me a 22 year old rookie WHO'S NEVER PLAYED A NBA GAME, has more value than Rozier around the league?!?! Is this an "Alternative Fact"? Check out Johnson's PER and game-by-game stats:

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2982330/brice-johnson

Oh wait you can't, all the stats are 0's and he's logged no minutes since the pre-season...

you mean as opposed to the 2nd year PG who is a terrible defender and is a career 30% shooter from 3 (37% from two), who is locked up for less time and more money.

You can argue about a lot but not "guy who has proven he can play in NBA" > "guy who has not proven he can play in NBA."

Mike

Brice Johnson has been injured.  He will be back soon.  And what exactly has Rozier proven, that he can't shoot and he can't defend.  Those types of players don't generally last in the league very long.  Sometimes you hurt your trade value when you play.

He was one drafted 25th in one of the worst drafts in Basketball history. Please stop.

[guava_wrench]

The Knicks are in really bad shape. I doubt Melo goes anywhere unless another team has a bad enough contract to trade to the Knicks. Melo just isn't good enough to justify taking on the contract and giving up talent. Sure, he can still score 20ppg on a bad team, but put him on a good team with other to players and we see his PPG drop like our big 3 or Bosh in MIA -- except Melo doesn't bring anything else to the table and will gum up ball movement.

[nickagneta]

Just so those that only read the thread title know....Boston and LAC have already said no to a Melo trade.

[Moranis]

I mean, if they're willing to deal with the Clips without one of the Big 3, then surely a deal for something like Melo and Jennings for Amir, Zeller (salary filler), Rozier, Young, and the Memphis pick would do it, right? That's certainly better for a rebuild than anything the Clips can offer, and you can still add several seconds, the Clips protected pick, or something like Mickey to the deal to sweeten the pot even more without giving up crucial core guys.

Hell, I'd be fine with that. Be a contender for two to three seasons while we develop Smart, Brown, and the two Brooklyn picks? I think this roster has a decent chance of knocking off Cleveland:

PG: IT, Jennings
SG: AB, Smart
SF: Crowder, Brown
PF: Melo, JJ
C: Horford, KO

The issue would be whether or not Melo would agree to come here.

The Clippers can easily surpass that trade.  I mean JJ Redick alone is more valuable than any of the Boston assets you are proposing and Redick, Crawford, Johnson, and a future 1st (2021) is a significantly better trade for NY than the one you are proposing.  NY isn't going to want Boston's crap, which is what that trade is aside from the unknown Memphis pick.


Boston is going to have give up a real asset to get Anthony and not a bunch of "garbage".

I just want to step in and note:

1) The Clippers can't trade their 1st until 2022.
2) Your trade needs at least $3.6 million more going out.  Clippers are subject to the hard cap.

it worked on trade machine.  I couldn't remember if it was 21 or 22.