Bucher: Bulls shopping Butler

[max215]

Melo is still in his prime. Can rebound and score with the best of them. Defense is played on occasion as in rarely. But they can get him to play D. He would be the single most dynamic scorer since P2 was good. Not his has last 2 years or so but pre 2011. Think of how Melo would open the whole floor up for IT to drive and the other guys to hit wide open jumpers. I would make it happen. You are paying 80 cents on the dollar and have him in his prime for the next 3 years.

A certain Isaiah Thomas would beg to differ.

[Ilikesports17]

Melo is still in his prime. Can rebound and score with the best of them. Defense is played on occasion as in rarely. But they can get him to play D. He would be the single most dynamic scorer since P2 was good. Not his has last 2 years or so but pre 2011. Think of how Melo would open the whole floor up for IT to drive and the other guys to hit wide open jumpers. I would make it happen. You are paying 80 cents on the dollar and have him in his prime for the next 3 years.

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/22/george-karl-book-carmelo-anthony

That is all.

karl is an Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. Much of the inflammatory stuff in his book was clearly put there to drum up news.

Not that I disagree, but I wouldnt put too much stock in that book.

[byennie]

I don't get what your argument is.

You keep bringing up Crowder/Brk pick/1st rounder. I said that Butler's value has increased since then so now he's worth more. It's going to take more than that now.

The point is that if he was overpriced before, and his perceived value has gone up since then, the Bulls may be back trying to get their original price again. Not necessarily more.

[PAOBoston]

I don't get what your argument is.

You keep bringing up Crowder/Brk pick/1st rounder. I said that Butler's value has increased since then so now he's worth more. It's going to take more than that now.

The point is that if he was overpriced before, and his perceived value has gone up since then, the Bulls may be back trying to get their original price again. Not necessarily more.

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I don't really think he was over priced. A 3 & D guy + 2 picks for a top 20 player? Sign me up.

[byennie]

I don't get what your argument is.

You keep bringing up Crowder/Brk pick/1st rounder. I said that Butler's value has increased since then so now he's worth more. It's going to take more than that now.

The point is that if he was overpriced before, and his perceived value has gone up since then, the Bulls may be back trying to get their original price again. Not necessarily more.

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I don't really think he was over priced. A 3 & D guy + 2 picks for a top 20 player? Sign me up.

He was overpriced for the market, since he didn't get traded. The rest is subjective, especially regarding the value of draft picks, but Crowder is an above average starter on a great contract & the BKN picks are highly regarded. The point still stands, though- they may be just taking a second attempt at the same price.

[SHAQATTACK]

If your going for broke , blow the wad and get Boogie.

[sdceltsfan]

Do we have enough assets to get Boogie and Butler?

Bradley, Zeller, BKN 2018, Boston 2018 for Butler

Smart, KO, Amir, BKN 2017, Clippers 2019 for Boogie and Mclemore

No longer have to worry about contracts for Smart/Bradley.

Rozier is retained as backup PG.

Starting lineup of IT, Butler, Crowder, Horford, Boogie.

Sign me up!

[rondohondo]

Most I offer

Smart, Crowder, Amir, brk 17 , plus future picks (no brk 18 or Jaylen)

IT.        Rozier
AB.        Green
Butler    Jaylen
Taj            KO
Horford    Sanders?

Jaylen can play 2-4, butler 2-3

[Granath]

Melo is still in his prime. Can rebound and score with the best of them. Defense is played on occasion as in rarely. But they can get him to play D. He would be the single most dynamic scorer since P2 was good. Not his has last 2 years or so but pre 2011. Think of how Melo would open the whole floor up for IT to drive and the other guys to hit wide open jumpers. I would make it happen. You are paying 80 cents on the dollar and have him in his prime for the next 3 years.

Melo is NOT in any way, shape or form still in his prime. His scoring is down 4ppg from a couple of years ago. His rebounding is down. eFG is down. FTs are down. His TS% is currently the 3rd lowest of his career. His FG% is the worst of his career. His defensive rating which was never good is now sliding into terrible territory.

He remains a very good player but is no longer an elite one. What you're watching is the last truly productive season or two of his career. He's 32 and will be 33 in 4 months with 34,000 minutes played on his legs. In 3 years Melo (and his $27m contract) may very well be an albatross.

That's exactly the type of deal the Cs won't make.

[Evantime34]

This might have been posted somewhere else, but Lowe said on his podcast that he thinks the Bulls are holding out hope that the C's will trade their 2017 Nets pick.

He thinks if the Bulls could get Smart, Crowder and the 2017 Nets pick for Butler, they would do it.

[rondohondo]

This might have been posted somewhere else, but Lowe said on his podcast that he thinks the Nets are holding out hope that the C's will trade their 2017 Nets pick.

He thinks if the Bulls could get Smart, Crowder and the 2017 Nets pick for Butler, they would do it.

Not to toot my own horn, but just posted almost this exact trade, with Gibson also coming back.

By the way why do the nets care? The pick is not theirs either way...

[saltlover]

This might have been posted somewhere else, but Lowe said on his podcast that he thinks the Nets are holding out hope that the C's will trade their 2017 Nets pick.

He thinks if the Bulls could get Smart, Crowder and the 2017 Nets pick for Butler, they would do it.

Not to toot my own horn, but just posted almost this exact trade, with Gibson also coming back.

By the way why do the nets care? The pick is not theirs either way...

I assume that was supposed to be the Bulls are holding out hope.

[hpantazo]

This might have been posted somewhere else, but Lowe said on his podcast that he thinks the Nets are holding out hope that the C's will trade their 2017 Nets pick.

He thinks if the Bulls could get Smart, Crowder and the 2017 Nets pick for Butler, they would do it.

I wouldn't give up all of that for Butler. Take out Smart and I would then do it. Question is, how disrespected would Crowder feel being moved for Butler instead of Hayward?

[Phantom255x]

Idk... Avery Bradley must have heard the rumors.

He's had a GREAT start today.

[jpotter33]

This might have been posted somewhere else, but Lowe said on his podcast that he thinks the Nets are holding out hope that the C's will trade their 2017 Nets pick.

He thinks if the Bulls could get Smart, Crowder and the 2017 Nets pick for Butler, they would do it.

Not to toot my own horn, but just posted almost this exact trade, with Gibson also coming back.

By the way why do the nets care? The pick is not theirs either way...

Yeah, I'm wondering what that matters, too. Is it that they're pretty much ticked off at the C's for taking advantage of them and won't trade Lopez until we trade the pick elsewhere?