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Re: Windhorst reporting Milsap is Available
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2017, 08:56:18 PM »

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How long is it going to take to get folks to understand that the Brooklyn picks are untouchable. I believe Danny has decided that those picks are untouchable in honor of The Truth and The Big Unit .

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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2017, 08:58:28 PM »

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Edit: I meant the Big Ticket...


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Re: Windhorst reporting Milsap is Available
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2017, 09:03:25 PM »

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Get Millsap first. Then Noel second.

Go with a three man big man rotation of Horford, Millsap and Noel.

Keep Jerebko and Zeller to be extra bench depth.

That would be interesting. If we can't get Millsap now, I suppose we could still go after Noel and get Millsap in the off-season (with only the qualifying offer for Noel taking cap space). Millsap won't get the max so we would be able to afford him.

But it would be fun to get them both now (without giving up too much, of course). We would be able to put together a very formidable team for THIS year's playoffs.

Re: Windhorst reporting Milsap is Available
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2017, 09:25:07 PM »

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Get Millsap first. Then Noel second.

Go with a three man big man rotation of Horford, Millsap and Noel.

Keep Jerebko and Zeller to be extra bench depth.

That would be interesting. If we can't get Millsap now, I suppose we could still go after Noel and get Millsap in the off-season (with only the qualifying offer for Noel taking cap space). Millsap won't get the max so we would be able to afford him.

But it would be fun to get them both now (without giving up too much, of course). We would be able to put together a very formidable team for THIS year's playoffs.

That's not how cap holds work for restricted free agents work.  It's 250% of his salary, or just under $11 million.  We would not be able to get Millsap in free agency, most likely.

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« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2017, 09:56:39 PM »

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I'd happily do Olynyk, Amir, and a non-BRK pick.

The Celts as constituted might not make it past the first round. I dunno if they'd re-sign Millsap, but adding him would give them a shot at earning the right to get killed by the Cavs in the ECF.
Olynyk and Amir have next to zero trade value at this point. Olynyk fills out your rotation right now and that's about it.  Amir is still serviceable but is on the decline.  If you're going to make a major deal you'll need to give up an asset.  Start with Smart, Crowder or Rozier - and that probably gets you a Millsap rental. You can't assume he resigns since money's going to flow big time again this summer.

Their major assets are those Brooklyn picks which have increased in value with the new collective bargaining agreement.
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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2017, 10:05:50 PM »

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Celtics need to work on their rebounding. I'm all for Millsap.


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Re: Windhorst reporting Milsap is Available
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2017, 10:17:31 PM »

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So, with Milsap becoming a FA this summer, how much is one playoff run worth for the Celtics?

If I were Danny, I would not give up that much for him. I can't imagine trading valuable assets for a rental, knowing that you're still not the best team on paper.

The Celtics are definitely less desperate for immediate playoff success, unlike: LAC, OKC, IND, and TOR. All four teams would be better fits for Milsap.
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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2017, 10:17:46 PM »

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Get Millsap first. Then Noel second.

Go with a three man big man rotation of Horford, Millsap and Noel.

Keep Jerebko and Zeller to be extra bench depth.

That would be interesting. If we can't get Millsap now, I suppose we could still go after Noel and get Millsap in the off-season (with only the qualifying offer for Noel taking cap space). Millsap won't get the max so we would be able to afford him.

But it would be fun to get them both now (without giving up too much, of course). We would be able to put together a very formidable team for THIS year's playoffs.

That's not how cap holds work for restricted free agents work.  It's 250% of his salary, or just under $11 million.  We would not be able to get Millsap in free agency, most likely.

I definitely should not have said the word, 'would,' in terms of being able to afford Millsap and Noel. I was factoring in about $10M for Noel, but I am still a bit confused on how much cap space we will actually have (assuming we drop KO/Young, Yab and Zizic stay over seas, and we renounce players like Mickey, Jackson). I figured around $20M/yr for Millsap, but maybe I am underrating what he will actually receive based on his age and lack of star-power.

Re: Windhorst reporting Milsap is Available
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2017, 10:19:27 PM »

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I have a hard time imagining IT-Millsap-Horford as a championship trio. Maybe that's just me. But yeah, I don't think we're beating the Cavs with that
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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2017, 10:32:06 PM »

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I have a hard time imagining IT-Millsap-Horford as a championship trio. Maybe that's just me. But yeah, I don't think we're beating the Cavs with that

I don't know if it's a championship roster or not but it's competitive. I don't think in terms of a "trio" because basketball is played 5 on 5 and even the best players have to take a breather. With Milsap (depending on what it took to get him) the Cs would have an exceptionally solid starting 5 - no weak links whatsoever - and could also have a very deep and good bench. I don't know if it's enough to win but it'd be an awfully dangerous team.
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« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2017, 10:32:07 PM »

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I said in a post earlier that I do like Milsap, but if it involved a long term deal at big money I feel like I would rather offer it to Noel.  Milsap would be great on a two year deal if we can't land anything bigger in free agency.  Different players for sure, but Noel would make us a dangerous defensive team and his age would fit more in the long term.  The nice thing about Noel is that he could help right now while still being young enough to act as a building block for the future.

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« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2017, 10:43:16 PM »

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Get Millsap first. Then Noel second.

Go with a three man big man rotation of Horford, Millsap and Noel.

Keep Jerebko and Zeller to be extra bench depth.

That would be interesting. If we can't get Millsap now, I suppose we could still go after Noel and get Millsap in the off-season (with only the qualifying offer for Noel taking cap space). Millsap won't get the max so we would be able to afford him.

But it would be fun to get them both now (without giving up too much, of course). We would be able to put together a very formidable team for THIS year's playoffs.

That's not how cap holds work for restricted free agents work.  It's 250% of his salary, or just under $11 million.  We would not be able to get Millsap in free agency, most likely.

I definitely should not have said the word, 'would,' in terms of being able to afford Millsap and Noel. I was factoring in about $10M for Noel, but I am still a bit confused on how much cap space we will actually have (assuming we drop KO/Young, Yab and Zizic stay over seas, and we renounce players like Mickey, Jackson). I figured around $20M/yr for Millsap, but maybe I am underrating what he will actually receive based on his age and lack of star-power.

1) I would not assume Yab and Zizic stay overseas.  Based on Austin Ainge's comments this week, both are likely to be here next summer.

2) I would be surprised if Millsap got less than $25 million.  I don't think he gets the max (which for him is about $36 million), but $25-30 million seems likely.  There will be a few teams with money looking to make a move, and Millsap will be the second-best PF on the market, and given Blake Griffin's injury history the past two season, you could argue he's the best on the market.  I could totally see Miami making a run at him, for example.

3) As for how much room we have -- it depends a bit on where our draft pick ends up, but if it's #3 again (certainly possible if not slightly pessimistic), and we let Amir, Zeller, JJ, and KO walk, release Mickey, and assume as I do that Yab and Zizic will be here barring a trade, we have a little under $30 million.  If you have Noel's Bird rights in there you're under $20 million, although it depends if how you get Noel onto the team in your scenario, of course.  You can add back in a million or so if you traded Rozier to get Noel, and around $2 million if both Zizic and Yab do stay overseas.  (Note: cutting Jackson actually costs a few thousand in cap space, so he'll be on the roster.  That's for another thread tho). Still, you're probably no more than $23 million cap room, probably a shade less, and maybe a million or more depending on lottery luck.  I don't think that's getting Millsap.)

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« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2017, 10:51:42 PM »

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Korver and Thabo are also available per the same report. I would be really intrigued by Korver. The spacing alone he would provide would do wonders for our offense, especially as teams will look to trap Thomas in the playoffs.

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« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2017, 11:16:27 PM »

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I have a hard time imagining IT-Millsap-Horford as a championship trio. Maybe that's just me. But yeah, I don't think we're beating the Cavs with that

I don't know if it's a championship roster or not but it's competitive. I don't think in terms of a "trio" because basketball is played 5 on 5 and even the best players have to take a breather. With Milsap (depending on what it took to get him) the Cs would have an exceptionally solid starting 5 - no weak links whatsoever - and could also have a very deep and good bench. I don't know if it's enough to win but it'd be an awfully dangerous team.

Sounds like the Hawks from two years ago: a highly competitive regular season team
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« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2017, 11:21:59 PM »

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I have a hard time imagining IT-Millsap-Horford as a championship trio. Maybe that's just me. But yeah, I don't think we're beating the Cavs with that

I don't know if it's a championship roster or not but it's competitive. I don't think in terms of a "trio" because basketball is played 5 on 5 and even the best players have to take a breather. With Milsap (depending on what it took to get him) the Cs would have an exceptionally solid starting 5 - no weak links whatsoever - and could also have a very deep and good bench. I don't know if it's enough to win but it'd be an awfully dangerous team.

Sounds like the Hawks from two years ago: a highly competitive regular season team

They did make the conference finals.  It's not like they got knocked out really early.