Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better

[celtics2030]

Payton is better suited to putting up numbers right now (not necessarily a better player) but I do feel like Smart has more potential to improve.  Payton's shot is utterly completely broken, while Smart's shot is bad but it seems "projectable."  (i.e. you could sort of visualize him being an above average shooter in the future).

Payton is a better player. His skillset is better. No question, no debating that. You just can't. If Smart was not the heart that he is, he would not even be in the league.

Payton can drive, and finish, he can get by people. His shot does not need to be great at shooting.

Payton has been a top 5 player last 5 games statistics alone.

Both players have improved this year but Payton has taken his offensive game to another level

That's silly imo.  Of course you can debate it.

They're both big point guards with under-developed offensive games.  A lot of their advanced numbers are eerily similar.  Payton is better at driving and passing.  Smart has a better body, is better at defense, and is less bad at shooting. 

Three years into their careers, they are roughly comparable as prospects.

Elfrid is a way better offensive player man. It's not even close, how do you tell me Elfrid is under developed? He does not shoot it well , but he is almost unguardable if he gets by you and he does that.

Listen I watch both players and I like both players, but it's not even close at this point to who is a better skilled offensive player. Payton is ridiculously good and he is showing that.

[oldtype]

Not to him, I guess, but for most reasonable people it is.

[celtics2030]

Not to him, I guess, but for most reasonable people it is.

Im not a homer. Most people here are delusional. Im sorry that I have a unbiased look at everything.

[oldtype]

Payton is better suited to putting up numbers right now (not necessarily a better player) but I do feel like Smart has more potential to improve.  Payton's shot is utterly completely broken, while Smart's shot is bad but it seems "projectable."  (i.e. you could sort of visualize him being an above average shooter in the future).

Payton is a better player. His skillset is better. No question, no debating that. You just can't. If Smart was not the heart that he is, he would not even be in the league.

Payton can drive, and finish, he can get by people. His shot does not need to be great at shooting.

Payton has been a top 5 player last 5 games statistics alone.

Both players have improved this year but Payton has taken his offensive game to another level

That's silly imo.  Of course you can debate it.

They're both big point guards with under-developed offensive games.  A lot of their advanced numbers are eerily similar.  Payton is better at driving and passing.  Smart has a better body, is better at defense, and is less bad at shooting. 

Three years into their careers, they are roughly comparable as prospects.

Elfrid is a way better offensive player man. It's not even close, how do you tell me Elfrid is under developed? He does not shoot it well , but he is almost unguardable if he gets by you and he does that.

Listen I watch both players and I like both players, but it's not even close at this point to who is a better skilled offensive player. Payton is ridiculously good and he is showing that.

What exactly are we basing this on other than "he drives good?"

The two players score about the same amount of points per 36 minutes, have an identical true shooting %, and Smart has a better offensive +/- (which isn't much to brag about, since both are negative.)

[celtics2030]

Payton is better suited to putting up numbers right now (not necessarily a better player) but I do feel like Smart has more potential to improve.  Payton's shot is utterly completely broken, while Smart's shot is bad but it seems "projectable."  (i.e. you could sort of visualize him being an above average shooter in the future).

Payton is a better player. His skillset is better. No question, no debating that. You just can't. If Smart was not the heart that he is, he would not even be in the league.

Payton can drive, and finish, he can get by people. His shot does not need to be great at shooting.

Payton has been a top 5 player last 5 games statistics alone.

Both players have improved this year but Payton has taken his offensive game to another level

That's silly imo.  Of course you can debate it.

They're both big point guards with under-developed offensive games.  A lot of their advanced numbers are eerily similar.  Payton is better at driving and passing.  Smart has a better body, is better at defense, and is less bad at shooting. 

Three years into their careers, they are roughly comparable as prospects.

Elfrid is a way better offensive player man. It's not even close, how do you tell me Elfrid is under developed? He does not shoot it well , but he is almost unguardable if he gets by you and he does that.

Listen I watch both players and I like both players, but it's not even close at this point to who is a better skilled offensive player. Payton is ridiculously good and he is showing that.

What exactly are we basing this on other than "he drives good?"

The two players score about the same amount of points per 36 minutes, have an identical true shooting %, and smart has a better offensive +/- (which isn't much to brag about, since both are negative.)

Lol PER 36. Are you watching the games, highlights or viewing statistics?

I mean are you kidding me bro?

[oldtype]

Payton is better suited to putting up numbers right now (not necessarily a better player) but I do feel like Smart has more potential to improve.  Payton's shot is utterly completely broken, while Smart's shot is bad but it seems "projectable."  (i.e. you could sort of visualize him being an above average shooter in the future).

Payton is a better player. His skillset is better. No question, no debating that. You just can't. If Smart was not the heart that he is, he would not even be in the league.

Payton can drive, and finish, he can get by people. His shot does not need to be great at shooting.

Payton has been a top 5 player last 5 games statistics alone.

Both players have improved this year but Payton has taken his offensive game to another level

That's silly imo.  Of course you can debate it.

They're both big point guards with under-developed offensive games.  A lot of their advanced numbers are eerily similar.  Payton is better at driving and passing.  Smart has a better body, is better at defense, and is less bad at shooting. 

Three years into their careers, they are roughly comparable as prospects.

Elfrid is a way better offensive player man. It's not even close, how do you tell me Elfrid is under developed? He does not shoot it well , but he is almost unguardable if he gets by you and he does that.

Listen I watch both players and I like both players, but it's not even close at this point to who is a better skilled offensive player. Payton is ridiculously good and he is showing that.

What exactly are we basing this on other than "he drives good?"

The two players score about the same amount of points per 36 minutes, have an identical true shooting %, and smart has a better offensive +/- (which isn't much to brag about, since both are negative.)

Lol PER 36. Are you watching the games, highlights or viewing statistics?

I mean are you kidding me bro?

Payton has a better PER, I guess that's worth something?

I watch the games, I just don't cherry pick the parts I want to support my own preconceived opinions.

[celtics2030]

Payton is better suited to putting up numbers right now (not necessarily a better player) but I do feel like Smart has more potential to improve.  Payton's shot is utterly completely broken, while Smart's shot is bad but it seems "projectable."  (i.e. you could sort of visualize him being an above average shooter in the future).

Payton is a better player. His skillset is better. No question, no debating that. You just can't. If Smart was not the heart that he is, he would not even be in the league.

Payton can drive, and finish, he can get by people. His shot does not need to be great at shooting.

Payton has been a top 5 player last 5 games statistics alone.

Both players have improved this year but Payton has taken his offensive game to another level

That's silly imo.  Of course you can debate it.

They're both big point guards with under-developed offensive games.  A lot of their advanced numbers are eerily similar.  Payton is better at driving and passing.  Smart has a better body, is better at defense, and is less bad at shooting. 

Three years into their careers, they are roughly comparable as prospects.

Elfrid is a way better offensive player man. It's not even close, how do you tell me Elfrid is under developed? He does not shoot it well , but he is almost unguardable if he gets by you and he does that.

Listen I watch both players and I like both players, but it's not even close at this point to who is a better skilled offensive player. Payton is ridiculously good and he is showing that.

What exactly are we basing this on other than "he drives good?"

The two players score about the same amount of points per 36 minutes, have an identical true shooting %, and smart has a better offensive +/- (which isn't much to brag about, since both are negative.)

Lol PER 36. Are you watching the games, highlights or viewing statistics?

I mean are you kidding me bro?

Payton has a better PER, I guess that's worth something?

I watch the games, I just don't cherry pick the parts I want to support my own preconceived opinions.

Celtic fans are a defeated bunch when it comes to losing out on a comparisons.

If i dig up an old thread all the points that Celtic fans THOUGHT they had are now gone, but what happens? they now forget those and post some dumb stats that they try to support the argument.

Check out Payton's numbers.

Why is he shooting 46 percent now?

Why are Smart and Peyton both shooting , wait , actually Elfrid is shooting a better % from 3?

Why has Payton been on a tear?

Look at Payton's last 5? Where he hasnt shot under 50 percent, meanwhile shooting 54 from 3....averaging 21 points and 8 asissts per game? When was the last time Smart did that?


Payton has improved his game, but it was going to happen , he has to much skills.

I love Smart but he has not improved his offense. The guy is surviving by playing with heart. He is also playing poised on offense and has a really good awareness on the floor as a point guard.

[CelticPride2016]

This is a replay on Avery Bradley. No matter how much Marcus tightens up various parts of his game, it's never good enough. It never ends.

He turns 23 in a couple months. He said the off-season is the best time for improving on shooting. Didn't Al Horford go 1-14? I remember quite a lot of bad Isaiah shooting percentages from before this season.

Marcus has looked automatic lately at the free throw line, no?

Brad has said a lot of this can come down to lousy shot selection.

Smart has done well with the assist to turnover ratio. Free throws. He's improved at driving to the hoop and playing old-school back the guy towards the rim like a center.

Crowder's stats weren't that impressive early in his career. Yet now Jae is putting up incredible shooting stats. Maybe Smart is incapable of becoming that efficient, but there is a lot of reasonable hope. He could end up 50% on field goals or 45%, okay. He could hit 80% free throws. He could become more consistent at threes perhaps 35%. How can people miss how much he has improved? He must get better. That is true. But I don't think it's outrageous to think he will.

Marcus is a tank who can provide 35 strong minutes a game if needed. Same with Jae. Bradley has become a robot machine. Jaylen is looking like a superstar in the making sometimes. Terry Rozier just had one of his better games.

I think this team has a lot of talent and Marcus Smart might be the best player of them all.

[oldtype]

The two players have a nearly identical true shooting % (48% v. 47.6%) this season, which is a far more accurate measure of shooting than straight FG%. 

Payton has had a hot streak these past five games.  Who knows if that's permanent or not.

[celtics2030]

This is a replay on Avery Bradley. No matter how much Marcus tightens up various parts of his game, it's never good enough. It never ends.

He turns 23 in a couple months. He said the off-season is the best time for improving on shooting. Didn't Al Horford go 1-14? I remember quite a lot of bad Isaiah shooting percentages from before this season.

Marcus has looked automatic lately at the free throw line, no?

Brad has said a lot of this can come down to lousy shot selection.

Smart has done well with the assist to turnover ratio. Free throws. He's improved at driving to the hoop and playing old-school back the guy towards the rim like a center.

Crowder's stats weren't that impressive early in his career. Yet now Jae is putting up incredible shooting stats. Maybe Smart is incapable of becoming that efficient, but there is a lot of reasonable hope. He could end up 50% on field goals or 45%, okay. He could hit 80% free throws. He could become more consistent at threes perhaps 35%. How can people miss how much he has improved? He must get better. That is true. But I don't think it's outrageous to think he will.

Marcus is a tank who can provide 35 strong minutes a game if needed. Same with Jae. Bradley has become a robot machine. Jaylen is looking like a superstar in the making sometimes. Terry Rozier just had one of his better games.

I think this team has a lot of talent and Marcus Smart might be the best player of them all.

Nobody said that he does not play to win. We all love Smart for that.

Although how do you back up the statement of him being the most talented player. I mean how can i look bad if I tell you you are wrong lol?

Im saying this very playfully.

[celtics2030]

The two players have a nearly identical true shooting % (48% v. 47.6%) this season, which is a far more accurate measure of shooting than straight FG%. 

Payton has had a hot streak these past five games.  Who knows if that's permanent or not.

Marcus Smart's entire makeup is made up of hot streaks. Only he has been on a slump for the past 3 years if you want to look at it numbers wise.

How does FG no matter? Payton is shooting 46 percent from the field and 29.3 from 3

Marcus is shooting in the mid 30's and shooting worse from 3

You can try to swing this anyway you want. Marcus just does not have the skillset capablities.

Just admit it you dont want to say it. I know it sucks but it is true. I wish he had the skillset because he would be an all star, but he does not.

[oldtype]

The two players have a nearly identical true shooting % (48% v. 47.6%) this season, which is a far more accurate measure of shooting than straight FG%. 

Payton has had a hot streak these past five games.  Who knows if that's permanent or not.

Marcus Smart's entire makeup is made up of hot streaks. Only he has been on a slump for the past 3 years if you want to look at it numbers wise.

How does FG no matter? Payton is shooting 46 percent from the field and 29.3 from 3

Marcus is shooting in the mid 30's and shooting worse from 3

You can try to swing this anyway you want. Marcus just does not have the skillset capablities.

Just admit it you dont want to say it. I know it sucks but it is true. I wish he had the skillset because he would be an all star, but he does not.

Do you understand what true shooting % is?

[celtics2030]

The two players have a nearly identical true shooting % (48% v. 47.6%) this season, which is a far more accurate measure of shooting than straight FG%. 

Payton has had a hot streak these past five games.  Who knows if that's permanent or not.

Marcus Smart's entire makeup is made up of hot streaks. Only he has been on a slump for the past 3 years if you want to look at it numbers wise.

How does FG no matter? Payton is shooting 46 percent from the field and 29.3 from 3

Marcus is shooting in the mid 30's and shooting worse from 3

You can try to swing this anyway you want. Marcus just does not have the skillset capablities.

Just admit it you dont want to say it. I know it sucks but it is true. I wish he had the skillset because he would be an all star, but he does not.

Do you understand what true shooting % is?

Listen my issue with you is that your bringing up that stat when you look at the overall stats

Have you not see what Payton has been doing?

When was the last time Smart has done this. Look at the last 25 games. Look at them.

Please tell me why I should care about both of them having similar True FG.

Sounds like you cannot find anything to prove any of your points , because it is impossible to point out the obvious.

[oldtype]

The two players have a nearly identical true shooting % (48% v. 47.6%) this season, which is a far more accurate measure of shooting than straight FG%. 

Payton has had a hot streak these past five games.  Who knows if that's permanent or not.

Marcus Smart's entire makeup is made up of hot streaks. Only he has been on a slump for the past 3 years if you want to look at it numbers wise.

How does FG no matter? Payton is shooting 46 percent from the field and 29.3 from 3

Marcus is shooting in the mid 30's and shooting worse from 3

You can try to swing this anyway you want. Marcus just does not have the skillset capablities.

Just admit it you dont want to say it. I know it sucks but it is true. I wish he had the skillset because he would be an all star, but he does not.

Do you understand what true shooting % is?

Listen my issue with you is that your bringing up that stat when you look at the overall stats

Have you not see what Payton has been doing?

When was the last time Smart has done this. Look at the last 25 games. Look at them.

Please tell me why I should care about both of them having similar True FG.

Sounds like you cannot find anything to prove any of your points , because it is impossible to point out the obvious.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

[Monkhouse]

Who cares what Elfrid Payton is doing lol. Why do people love to talk about other players on different teams lol.

He's still shooting 29.3% 3pt.

You bring up his stats, but its still an absurdly small sample size. The only advantage that Payton has over Smart is assists, and scoring.

Still doesn't change the fact the Magic are 2-8 in the last 10, and are pretty much ended towards the bottom of the lottery.